Does anyone recall the two nasty wingnut films released at convenient times in '04 and '06?

[snowbear]

If you've forgotten all about them... they were:

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- Sinclair Productions, "Stolen Honor"
Aired in September 2004" - Was created to bash Senator John Kerry's military career

(Democrats were able to get sections of this production pulled, but not all of it) - Story: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6293163/site/newsweek/ )


Stolen Honor, September 2004

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- ABC two-part mini-series, "The Path to 911"
Aired September 10th and September 11th, 2006

Path to 911, September 2006

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I remember that both of these productions were announced shortly before they were aired.. Really makes me wonder what they're up to for the next presidential election, and if Karl Rove is busily assisting them in their dirty deeds.

I have a feeling that the upcoming presidential election will be the nastiest in history, and I also have a feeling that the scuzbags are already producing one or more of these controversial releases.

What do you think?


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[Lasher]

1. Yup.

I can salute that. :patriot:

[liberaldemocrat7]

2. Someone ought to make a film about every Republican sexual scandal.

Really and run it 2 months before the 2008 election.

Then hopefully the right wing fundies will stay home.

[Lasher]

3. Good idea.

I hope Democrats actually run campaigns this time. How about running ads to ask, "Are you better off today than you were 8 years ago?"

Your idea about scandals is good, and there are so many other subjects you could run with. I guess about every subject.

[snowbear]

4. I agree that enlightening the fundies would be good! And one way to do it ...

...is if someone were to make a documentary not only exposing GOP'ers who claim to be holier than thou and yet who are royal class lying, cheating, dirtbags..

But also, have a huge section on David Kuo and the reason that he wrote the book "Tempting Faith"!



Here is what one of the reviewers at Amazon said about Kuo's book:

In his first presidential campaign George W. Bush promised to spend $8 billion per year in new money to help the poor through faith-based initiatives. As an earnest and talented evangelical Christian, David Kuo was euphoric, and in 2001 he joined the White House staff as a Special Assistant to Bush to help manage the new effort.

At long last, he thought, he had found a way to use political means to further Gospel ends. Much to his credit, two years later he resigned when he realized that the Bush administration had done "less than nothing" to fulfill their promises. It was all "a farce, a brazen deception, smear tactics, a mirage."

The grant application process was a sham and probably illegal and unconstitutional. Worst of all, he saw how instead of using politics to further the Gospel, his Bush colleagues played right wing evangelicals like a cheap violin to further their political ends, and in private derided them as dupes, nuts, and crazies. Evangelicals, Kuo discovered, were used and abused as an incredibly gullible gold mine of voters (over 80% of them voted for Bush), nothing more and nothing less. "We were good people," he concluded, "forced to run a sad charade, to provide political cover to a White House that needed compassion and religion as political tools."

Kuo has been hammered by Dobson, Colson and other conservative ideologues who cannot bear to admit what he has documented based upon extensive personal experience. I found him evenhanded in his treatment. He calls a spade a spade, gives people the benefit of the doubt, and tends not to judge their motives.

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You are right though! Hammering away at the base they absolutely need the most, but who they have evidently been screwing royally, would be an incredible thing to expose on the big screen!

I just don't want to see a bunch of their trashy films showing up out of the blue right before the elections. If they plan to do this again (which is highly likely), we need to fight fire with fire!

[Lasher]

7. Well, hopefully we have a strategist or two who has been awake the last 8 years

I saw David Kuo being interviewed awhile back on TV. He said people at the WH used them (fundies) and then laughed about them behind their backs. I believe he said he was getting out of politics and getting back to focusing on his faith. Good. Separation of church and state is something I believe in.

[TankLV]

13. I will bet you my house that we don't. Sorry.

We'll be caught off guard again on the losing end...

[Lasher]

15. You're probably right but I must hope.

I must, I must.

[MH1]

11. Similarly - the meme that a "not George Bush" Repub will be a change of direction

I was driving last night and pulled in an AM station that had a decent-sounding host with a republican consultant as guest, and here is the meme the repub is trying to start: that any of the republican candidates, once picked, will be reassuring to Americans that they won't be like Bush, they will talk to other countries, they will have a sane foreign policy (I don't remember his exact words).

I was having flashbacks to 2000 and Bush saying how he was going to have a non-aggressive foreign policy or some such (anyone else remember that)? So my thought was, that lie worked so well in 2000, they are going to try it again in 2008? I think they showed in 2000 that it doesn't matter what a republican says about foreign policy during a campaign. Just as Bush gave false promises to the evangelicals. (Fool me once...)

Besides the republican party chose Bush and supported him all these years...if the R presidential candidates get away with insulating themselves from that... it will show we really are stupid.

[DFW]

5. Unless Rove and Ailes suddenly take a Cessna into a hurricane

I'd say the only thing they are waiting for is the end of the Democratic
Primaries. Once the nominee is decided, they will select from the screenplays
that are no doubt ready for production now, and away they go.

[regnaD kciN]

6. What? Only two...???

I seem to recall at least a couple of separate "rebuttals" to Fahrenheit 9/11 released just before the 2004 election. I'm sure there are others as well. The Republican Noise Machine does not lack a budget. :shrug:

[snowbear]

8. I was just listing the "made for tv" type productions..

Was the rebuttal to F-911 on TV? I don't have HBO so if it was on there.. I wouldn't have known about it.

I have a feeling that the batshit crazies are working on something already.. and I also have a feeling if HRC is our nom, they are going to do backflips when it comes to cranking out that crap..

But I do trust Howard Dean to be on the ball enough to know that we have the resources available to retaliate with our own "made for tv" flicks.

[Perry Logan]

9. Whatever they try will fail. The Republican mojo is as limp as a winger's dick.

[RFKJrNews]

10. Who needs a mojo when it's soooo damn easy...

...to steal an election?

[wyldwolf]

12. oh, sure. Wonder why some Obama supporters don't think they'd do that to him?

[niceypoo]

14. Nobody watches that crap except 23%ers...so who cares?

[MasonJar]

16. I remember ther ABC film which was against Clinton and Albright

and imposed on us by Disney just before '06. I have not watched ABC since and will never buy a Disney product ever. They were asked not to run it pre-election and insisted on doing so. No company sponsored it as I remember. To lose money like that is so unusual that there must be a real hate-on against dems at Disney. If they had just wanted to smear Clinton, they did not have to do so just prior to the election.

[cmkramer]

18. I was watching FOX the other day - I think John Gibson's program

He had the guy who produced the movie "The Path to 9/11" on. According to him, Disney will not allow it to come out on DVD because they were "pressured by the Clintons" because of Hillary running for president.

The thing is, when Reagan was running for election and later for re-election as president, his movies were not allowed to be shown on tv because it was considered a violation of the equal time provision. I believe the decision to delay putting out the 9/11 movie is based on the same criteria.

[Colobo]

17. "The story of Obama's Muslim, Communist Dad!", "Hillary is a Closet Lesbian!" or

"How John Edwards became the most succesful ambulance chaser in America!"

I can see all of that coming.