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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 01:38 AM
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The Gods MUST Be Crazy ...
… or maybe it’s just me.

Taking a few minutes to look back on the events of the past week or two, I’m beginning to feel like I’m living in some alternate universe where unreality shows have taken over the political networks – with a vengeance.

Billy Kristol (my personal favorite PNACer, kind of along the lines of Dopey being my favorite of the Seven Dwarfs) is talking about “serious and sober” people wanting to keep the troops in Iraq, and you can’t help but wonder (a) if and when he ever met a “serious and sober” person and (b) why he would so deliberately leave his idol, G.W. Bush, out of the equation, being as he’s been neither for as long as anyone can remember.

And then there’s the pope. No offence to persons of the Catholic persuasion, but His Holier-than-thou-ness – who, last time I checked, is a European man of voluntary childlessness – is now chastising the selfishness of those Europeans who have chosen not to have more children than they can afford to clothe, feed, and educate.

I realize this guy has his feet firmly on the ground (albeit it’s the terra firma of the 13th Century), but you’d think he’d be savvy enough to realize that not everyone lives in Vatican City, where the recipe for turning seven fishes-and-loaves into enough to feed a multitude is as closely guarded a secret as the voluminous records documenting the transfer of pedophile priests from one parish to another.

In the Realm of the Ridiculous, there is just no end to the hilarity over to the GOP presidential campaign, where the wannabes are still talking about being the party of fiscal responsibility. I can assure the Republicans that they need not fear the legendary spendthrift proclivities of the Democrats, because thanks to BushCo, there isn’t a dime left to get spendthrifty with.

And on that topic, George is yet again asking for a couple of bil or tril to throw around at the local Baghdad gin mill – “Hey, bar-keep! A round on the ol’ US of A for everyone here who’s willing to say things are going swimmingly here in the drownin’ end of the pool!”

Maybe someone from the Fiscal Responsibility Party should point out to George that if he could find all the bucks that have gone missin’ since the start of this ponzi scheme he sold as a sure-thing gamble back in the day, he wouldn’t have to go hat-in-hand to Congress every time he needed a few more bucks to put a new transmission in his Edsel of a war.

But I digress from the real issues – which, in some states, makes me an Honorary Republican.

The presidential hopeless on the other side of the aisle are obviously people to be reckoned with – if you want to reckon with the wreckin’ crew.

There’s Mayor Giuliani – who some of you will remember as the man who single-handedly saved NYC from those dastardly terrorists after the damage was already done. There’s something notable – not necessarily smart, but notable – in insisting on putting your command center in the middle of an obvious terrorist target. Too bad the wisdom of that move was lost on the first responders on 9-11 – I guess some people just don’t appreciate the foresight of the man who spent more hours than they did down at Ground Zero.

Then there’s the Great White Hope, Freddie Thompson – and I’ll give credit where it’s due on the white part – that young and vibrant upstart who finally threw his tricorn into the ring this week, fired-up by Washington’s crossing of the Delaware. No doubt his Law & Order experience will catapult him into the hearts and minds of the viewing audience -- despite the fact that most of them believe that if you’re talking about running the country, Chris Noth would have been the better choice – or Jerry Orbach, who, being dead and all, could still beat Thompson with both hands handcuffed behind his back.

And while I’m on the topic of TV fare, I’m hoping the powers-that-be in charge of the Emmy nominations have been scrutinizing the latest Osama Bin Laden production. I’m thinking shoe-in nominations in the categories of Best Special Effects, Best Editing by the WH, Best Make-Up … and top honors in the newest category, Product Placement (Hair Color For Men) in a Conveniently-Timed Alleged Terrorist Video.

But in the area of Grand Delusions, no one could possibly dispute the awarding of the Grand Prize to none other than G.W. Bush for his recent comments (as recounted in the new soon-to-bestseller in the Ultimate Fiction/Bulk Sales category, “Certainly Dead”) that he plans to top up the ol’ coffers in his post-president-select career by speechifyin’ like his daddy does to the tune of $25,000 to $75,000 per speechery.

Someone should, out of pity, let the Idiot in on the fact that no one is going to cough up more than 75 cents to hear his two cents about how hard it is to put food on one’s family.

Well, as they say, you get what you pay for – and a lot of us keep wonderin’ what the exact amount is that we paid for this presidentin’ – and if there’s a refund policy in effect.

Like I said, considering what’s going on with the country and the world at large, the gods must be crazy – but then again, maybe it’s just me.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 01:41 AM
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1. First Rec!
And, yeah, I wish it were Lenny running for President. Arthur is SUCH a political hack, even on the show.

Hell, I'd rather vote for McCoy. Or Stone. Anyone remember Stone?

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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 01:45 AM
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2. My dear Nance!
NO, sweetie........it's not just you! I'm feeling it too...

Brilliantly put, per your normal...

I consider it a very happy accident of birth that you and I share this planet and this website at the same moment...

K&R, of course...:patriot:




BTW, if you feel like reading and commenting on my stuff....Consider yourself invited, sweetie:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x6914216

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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 02:11 AM
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3. Ms Molly Ivins looks down...
nods her head, and smiles.

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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 02:17 PM
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21. We are truly fortunate to have someone as talented and passionate as Nance.
I read the drivel in the MSM that passes for intelligent commentary and am always reminded how fortunate we are. Good stuff. Always. Thanks Nance!

Wake up America!:kick:

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avrdream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 02:29 AM
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4. Now THAT'S pointing the telescope in the right direction!
What a refreshing post amid some very ugly ones on DU these days. I understand that your point is not refreshing but I'm happy to see someone focusing on where the REAL "badness" is coming from.

Your words captivate me, as always, Nance.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 02:32 AM
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5. Tje Gods know what the Heck they be doing.....look at the GOPs Setbacks these past months/years
Enough chips in a pile to convince many to ponder the status quo and ask.... WTF?

Lets institute a Presidential Lemon Law that allows a "Removal from Office Hook" ///asap
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 11:28 AM
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17. Great idea!
"A Presidential Lemon Law that allows a Removal from Office Hook ..."

Now there's a Constitutional amendment we could really get behind!

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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 11:56 AM
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18. we could use those long hooks used in vaudville from long ago...
I would die laughing...
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 11:59 AM
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19. I know!
It was the visual that cracked me up ... picturing Bush in the middle of a SOTU speech as the hook reaches out and drags him off!


:rofl:
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 02:51 AM
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6. . . .

Prefacing a slap at the pope with "No offence to persons of the Catholic persuasion" is cute but doesn't get you off the hook because you clearly intend to be offensive to Catholics.

It's insulting to refer to the pope as "His Holier-than-thou-ness."

It's insulting to bring up pedophile priests again.

Did you know that something Hitler did very early on was to accuse priests of being sex abusers? He did this so that when the Church hierarchy opposed what he did later, people would be less likely to believe them.

Pope Benedict has spoken out against this war. Pope John Paul II tried to convince Bush not to start this war.

There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.

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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 03:26 AM
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8. Since Nance has packed it in for the night and I'm still up
I'll say - subject to her objections or clarifications- that she has never voiced any antipathy to the Catholic Church. She left it years ago due to the self-evident fallibility of those humans who purport to lead it and shepherd its flock.

Speaking only for myself, a very wayward Lutheran, I'll just add that if you find it "insulting" that pedophile priests are brought up again, I have to wonder whether your allegiance is to the God your church worships or to the frail vessels who have acquitted themselves so alarmingly poorly so often in His name.

I don't want to defend Martin Luther, who despite all his insights and good works was himself a bigot and ignoramus, but long ago he pointed a finger at the appalling practices of Rome, and he was right to do so, and many people have done so since, and many more will do so long as the Roman Catholic Church continues to obfuscate and obscure and rationalize its peculiar penchant for ignoring the sins of some of its priests.

Yes, the Pope has spoken out against the war. So has Pat Buchanan, who is one of the most egregious gasbags on God's green earth. So what?

And your invocation of Hitler in this context is utterly the most bogus and intellectually dishonest conversational trope imaginable. Please tell me you didn't learn your debating skills in Catholic school. I personally prefer to think better of Catholics in general than that.

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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 04:00 PM
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25. Nance certainly has her cadre of sycophants under control,

leaping to her defense, gallantly insulting anyone who dares to question her. I'm sure she'll be pleased with you.


It is not bogus or intellectually dishonest to tell the truth about Hitler's portraying all priests as sexual deviants (by which he probably meant homosexuals.)

He did it so no one would listen to the Church when it criticized him (as it did, quite strongly, until it became evident that criticism merely made the Nazis kill more people. After that, the Church, with Jewish leaders in agreement, concentrated on helping Jews secretly, hiding them, getting them false papers, helping them get to safer places.)

You and Nance and many other DUers have proven what starpass and several of us said during the height of the media-driven "crisis" in the Catholic Church: there is something driving this train. And a few months later, we had our answer.

The media driven "crisis" was, of course, a way to make every braindead American have a kneejerk reflex anytime that any Catholics, clergy or laity, spoke out against the war. The braindead don't hear the message. When they hear "Catholic" they just hear the media's "pedophile priests" mantra and discount the message.

The media taught you and Nance and countless others to think "pedophile priests" every time you read or hear anything remotely related to the Catholic Church. You have no respect for all the Catholics, priests included, who have worked against the war.

If you still can't understand the analogy, I don't think you're trying to.

Who started that "crisis in the Church" campaign, anyway? Karl Rove, perhaps? Oh, there were allegations of priests abusing teenagers and even a few children, but the story was inflated for political purposes. The media rarely mentioned that they were talking about all the allegations that had been made in thirty years. They made it sound as if every other priest in the US was abusing teenagers or children.

I find it insulting that "pedophile" priests -- most of whom are/were ephebophiles who had sex with boys past puberty -- are brought up whenever the pope says anything.

The pope says war is wrong. Pedophile priests! Pedophile priests! Pedophile priests! The pope says we must respect the environment. Pedophile priests! Pedophile priests! Pedophile priests!

No one pays the slightest bit of heed to articles posted here about the fact that 1-2% of all men are pedophiles/ephebophiles. It's not a coincidence that 1-2% of priests fit in that category, as do 1-2% of Protestant clergy and probably 1-2% of rabbis and imams as well. . . By the way, did you know that Martin Luther wrote that he wanted to marry because he was worn out from onanism? It's always someone like that who points his finger at others.

Your snide insinuation that I care more about pedophile priests than I do about God is a really nasty thing to say. I despise pedophiles. I also despise seeing all priests, or all clergy, or all teachers, tarred by the actions of a few. I thought liberals believed in justice, fairness, that sort of thing. Obviously, DU liberals believe in those things for some people, just not for Catholic people.

Ad hominem attacks on Catholics are de rigeur at DU, that's all there is to it, and it's always been that way. Attack the Church and everyone tells you you're wonderful. Defend the Church and you're attacked.

Good luck winning elections without the Catholic vote. You'll need it.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 04:21 PM
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26. Nice picture of Martin Luther, LOL.
I didn't know he was that normal.

Do you think that Hitler fabricated the story about priests abusing children? You think that priest/boy love was invented in post-war US?

The reason the pope is fair game is not because he dresses funny, and presides over dubious rituals, it is because he is the main suppressor of reason in the world, and because his beliefs affect everybody, even those who don't care about the pope, and don't want to be bothered.

His "holier than thou-ness" is quite tame for people who don't subscribe to his pretensions.

--IMM
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 09:04 PM
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32. And the POPE is STILL HIDING those PEDOPHILE PRIESTS in the VATICAN as you spew...
Edited on Mon Sep-10-07 09:06 PM by TankLV
Of course, we won't EVER here you calling for them being brought to JUSTICE, do we!

Shove it...

Defending the indefensible again, I see...

Sorry, Nancy has a better track record than YOU, and unlike YOU, doesn't try to defend the indefensible...
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 10:41 PM
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34. The media taught me to think "pedophile priests"
every time I read or hear anything remotely related to the Catholic Church?

Really? Even assuming that were true, which of course it isn't, you would know this how?

I have lots of respect for Catholics who have worked against the war, as well as Protestants, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, agnostics and atheist.

I remember that Luther quote. There are, of course, many Luther quotes that are far worse, dripping with racism, anti-Semitism and proto-Nazi pig-ignorance. I cast a cool eye on the Lutheran Church, you see, as I do on all churches. To the extent that I'm still a believing Christian, my fealty is to Christ, not the (invariably) men who set themselves up as intermediaries supposedly necessary for me to have knowledge of Christ.

You've spun out a couple of quick references to some very real and very visible issues in the Catholic Church into persecution mania. The mote, methinks, might be in your eye rather than mine, but we can agree to disagree about this, I suppose.

In this case, BTW, it's Nance's husband leaping to her defense. To the degree that spouse is equal to sycophant, well, fair enough, I guess. We'll have to agree to disagree about that, too.

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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 10:59 PM
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35. At the risk of sounding like Henny Youngman ...
"Hey, that was no sycophant - that was my husband!"

To go back to your previous post, you took offense at bringing up the topic of pedophile priests again. I refuse to accept that the past AND current problems the Church is having with this issue should be dismissed, ignored, and not discussed - in the same way that that torture at Abu Ghraib and Gitmo should not be relegated to the past, or left to quiet down.

Had the actions of pedophile priests been unknown to the Church hierarchy, or had they been summarily dismissed and handed over to the proper authorities once their activities were known, this wouldn't have become the explosive situation it now is. But on the contrary; we know that the Church was fully aware and, when complaints were made, said priests were simply transferred to other parishes, where they had access to even more children.

The Church made its bed - so don't come crying to me about the fact they are now being forced to lie in it.

In addition, this topic was not brought up in my OP because this is "brought up whenever the pope says anything". There have been several items in the news this week about more parishes having to pay out huge sums in compensation to people who were abused by priests when they were children. That's current events, my friend, not ancient history.

As for the assertion that this is all "a media driven "crisis", a way to make every braindead American have a kneejerk reflex anytime that any Catholics, clergy or laity, spoke out against the war," you might remember that this issue was already a very weighty anchor around the Church's neck long before the war - LONG BEFORE.

"The media taught you and Nance and countless others to think "pedophile priests" every time you read or hear anything remotely related to the Catholic Church."

I can assure you that I don't think about "pedophile priests" every time someone mentions the Catholic Church. However, I do think about it at times, and the media had nothing to do with it. As a court reporter, I have worked on several cases involving people who were molested as children by clergymen. Once you've seen what has happened to these people, how their lives were ruined by the experience, you tend to remember it vividly. The media doesn't come close to portraying the damage involved here.

With respect to your comment that "Ad hominem attacks on Catholics are de rigeur at DU, that's all there is to it, and it's always been that way. Attack the Church and everyone tells you you're wonderful. Defend the Church and you're attacked", I see no evidence of that at all - and if you honestly perceive that as a persistent problem on this website, one wonders why you are still here.

Under other circumstances, I would say I am sorry if I offended you because it was certainly not my intention. However, in this case, it seems you are insistent on taking offense in any event - and that is your problem, not mine.


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FloridaJudy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 03:03 AM
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7. I knew there must be a reason
I woke up at this ungodly hour and turned on my computer.

Another fine Nance Rants! What a great way to start the week.
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 03:38 AM
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9. Tea Party Anyone?
Late for what? Nice hat. Things can't get much stranger, can they?
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 05:26 AM
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10. Well, there is ONE speech I'd pay to hear W give:
His resignation (along with Cheney's) effective immediately!

Otherwise, you couldn't pay ME $25,000 to go listen to him.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 08:58 AM
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13. I'd do it and then give the money to the Democrats. n/t
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 06:19 AM
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11. K & R... (Reports from Wonderland)
excellent encapsulation
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Mad_Dem_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 07:04 AM
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12. "his Edsel of a war"
A brilliant way to put it. Terrific as always, Nancy.
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 09:00 AM
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14. This made me think back...
to a can of "Old" CocaCola that I kept just for the hell of it and for my sons (who were maybe 5 and 7 at the time).

Our only outwardly Republican friend was coming over for the weekend.

And he LOVED his CocaCola.

So I put a big piece of duct tape over the top of that can of Old Coke, which - for reasons known only to my drug-addled brain - was still in the 'fridge.

At some point, our friend walks in the kitchen, opens the refrigerator door, and pops a top (I was thinking beer, here), and exclaims, "Man, this Coke is really flat".

Have no fear, for these people are quite capable of dumbing themselves into extinction.
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madamesilverspurs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 10:40 AM
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15. Methinks the denizens of Olympus
(or any other godly domain) are joining us in banging their heads against the nearest wall.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 10:52 AM
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16. Nance
You need to go national and become syndicated in all the newpapers. Serious, you are that good. :thumbsup:

Mz Pip
:dem:
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 12:20 PM
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20. You did it again, Nance!
K&R

:kick:
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 03:02 PM
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22. Thanks. Nance! You helped me remember that awesome movie.
The Gods Must Be Crazy. (I believe there was also a part II.) All you youngsters out there who have not seen the two great movies be sure to order/buy them. They will be a charming lift to your psyche.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 03:14 PM
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23. Clearly the ramblings of a madman.....
--- that would be the response of the couple dozen right-wing groups after listening to B*sh mutter through a 20 minute speech for 50k!

There will be a few fast takers for this 'service' he'll offer. It'll be the most vile of right wing think tanks, christofascist, and 'pro-family' groups that yer momma warned you about - who'll be hoping that renting the chimpster's prose will get them a better cage in the D.C. Zoo.

They don't realize that Saint George (Father forgive me), is the patron saint of Lost Causes and Mangled Speeches. Throwing money at him after he's out of office will be a fruitless effort, especially when the powers that be (left) in the Republican Party will distance themselves from B*sh as much as the other two judges distanced themselves from David Hasselhoff's reprisal of "This Is The Moment", on 'America's Got Talent - But They Didn't Leave Any For The Hoff' (A performance that scared even Mr. Hyde himself!).

Yeah, I don't see too many takers for B*sh's road show once the wheels fall off, although, it'd make for some great youtube comedy videos!

Nance, great read as always. I love your thought process and enjoy every jabbing bolt of truth!

:kick:
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 03:38 PM
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24. "...who'll be hoping that renting the chimpster's prose ...
... will get them a better cage in the D.C. Zoo."

Now THAT'S a great line!!!

:hi:
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 04:55 PM
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27. You know? I just couldn't get over how much body and fullness Bin Laden's beard has
become while the aging process does just the opposite to us normal humans... and then there's tha side by side comparison which has me clueless as to why everyone merely accepts the findings of the problem riddled CIA. These guys couldn't have prevented 9-11 even if they had gained access to a time travel machine.
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dickbearton Donating Member (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 06:38 PM
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28. The gods are not crazy...
There are no gods. The people are crazy, except for you and
me; and I'm not so sure about you.
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 09:03 PM
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31. Loki is running the show
the rest are all out on an extended space-bass fishing trip in Alpha Centauri, having left the celestial answering machine to pick up messages...

"Hello, you have reached the Planet Earth prayer answering service. We are sorry, but the god of your choice is not available at the moment to take your call. Please leave a message after the tone, and he/she/it may or may not grant your prayer in a timely manner. Please be aware that the service time for answering prayers is currently two centuries, so you may wish to solve your problems on your own. Thank you for your continuing worship." *Beep*
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zonmoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 09:38 PM
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33. or more likely loki was the only god that ever existed.
being an evil god that would make sense to me.
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 08:28 PM
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29. K & R. The coke bottle fell from the sky squarely upon us.
:toast: MKJ
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 08:50 PM
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30. Naw, the gods aren't crazy...they're AWOL...
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