The ladies from Code Pink have more guts than that star studded prick

[ProudDad]

I have 1000 times more respect for them than those murderers with the ribbons and the suits on...

This dog and pony show is disgusting but totally expected here in the Amerikan Empire...

They have to fool most of the people most of the time and they do it well...

bread and circuses, bread and circuses...

Now, on to ryan crocker -- the latest apologist for the Emperor who wears no clothes.

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/06/crocker-iraq-end-game/

U.S. Iraq Ambassador Ryan Crocker: ‘I Don’t See An End Game In Sight’

Endless war, Endless war, Endless war, Endless war, Endless war, Endless war, Endless war, Endless war, Endless war, Endless war, Endless war, Endless war

Ah, Saddam, Al Qaeda, 9/11, Saddam, Al Qaeda, 9/11, Saddam, Al Qaeda, 9/11, Saddam, Al Qaeda, 9/11, Saddam, Al Qaeda, 9/11, Saddam, Al Qaeda, 9/11, Saddam, Al Qaeda, 9/11, Saddam, Al Qaeda, 9/11, Saddam, Al Qaeda, 9/11, Saddam, Al Qaeda, 9/11, Saddam, Al Qaeda, 9/11, Saddam, Al Qaeda, 9/11

[knowbody0]

1. amen

[Waya]

2. Absolutely.......

[TwilightGardener]

3. No--they're embarrassing. Squealing and screeching, what a fucking circus

they're making out of these hearings. Have a little dignity, ladies.

[panader0]

7. I think you have it backwards

It's already a fucking circus. It's Petraus who should be embarrassed.

[ShortnFiery]

8. Point taken. However, they are getting attention - and "whatever it takes" to wake up the M$M,

without violence, I fully applaud. No, I can't be "out there" type activist, but it's those type (in your face) that gets attention and brings issues to the forefront.

Stopping this war is going to be a hard and nasty quest. IMO we're fortunate to have people (activists) who are willing to risk arrest (non-violent Resistance) in order to have our issues aired. :-)

[mopinko]

15. you got a better idea?

wave you magic wand there, brother. get us out of this mess.

[TwilightGardener]

19. My idea is, don't disrupt the hearings. Let our legislators do their jobs.

That's what we hired them for. Shouting from the balcony achieves nothing--it's not even spontaneous emotional reactions, it's obviously planned/staged sayings and interruptions, and I watched one Code Pinker making sure to get another lady's "drag-off" photographed on her cell phone--yuck. Downright silly, and does not help end the war.

[mopinko]

21. so far they don''t seem to give a shit

what we the people hired them to do. which is why the founding fathers saw fit to enshrine the right not only to speak, but to petition our government into the constitution. it is not only our right to protest such a lying dog and pony show, it is OUR JOB! i am only sorry i am not there to pitch in.

[Mabus]

25. Exactly

They represent a lot of us who wish we could be there to do the same thing.

I guess we're supposed to sit idly by and let the lies carry the day.

[ChiciB1]

26. Let THE LEGISLATORS Do The Job??? Oh, Of Course They've Done

such a GREAT job so far!!! And I DO realize that they don't have the votes in the Senate, but I say... let the Repukes filibuster all they want, but just keep sending the bill back again and again and again and again!

At least that MIGHT make them look like they're doing SOMETHING!! Right now they look like they're too AFRAID to push the envelope!! Most people here want this friggin' WAR over! It's going to blow up anyway, so why not show some backbone?? The Idiot just wants to run the clock down, thereby making it somebody else's WAR! I really feel so sorry for the Iraqis, but the blame belong to BFEE!! As my husband always when confronted with adversity... Get Some Shit In Your Neck! Beat them back with all you have!

ANYTHING is better than NOTHING!!

[goodgd_yall]

28. We need more of these disruptions

Voting in legislators to respresent us is only one of many ways we the people can change policy. Those in power need to see how passionate the anti-war segment of America is, and you can't say that a person who risks being thrown out of a hearing is not passionate.

[TwilightGardener]

40. There was nothing "passionate" about this--they weren't reacting

to anything specific that was being said, they were just there to raise a ruckus and get thrown out--all theater, all of it stupid and ineffective.

[John Kerry VonErich]

42. If thats passion

they gotta lot of work to do. They're just making fools of themselves. They need originallity.

[Name removed]

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[TwilightGardener]

39. When someone takes a discussion down to personal attacks, I know

I've won the argument. Thanks!

[progressoid]

34. ...

:thumbsup: :)

[ProudDad]

43. Oh, you mean let them "do their job" and

pass another supplemental (very soon)?

Or do you mean let them "do their job" and shovel another $500+ BILLION into the maw of the f*cking military-industrial complex and Amerikan War Machine?

By the way, have they restored Habeus Corpus yet?

Yeah, let them do their jobs... :sarcasm:

The more they "do their jobs" the more they SCREW US!!!!

As for today's "Hearing", here's what I think about that...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3509820#3511691

[shenmue]

31. Like the war has dignity?

Yeah, they should shut up and go away, right? :sarcasm:

[TwilightGardener]

38. Childish argument. It's the difference between engaging in silly theater

and presenting rational, sound argument to persuade people. But most on DU feel that silly theater is much more emotionally satisfying, I suppose.

[ProudDad]

44. ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3509820#3511691

[ProudDad]

49. All research shows that the 'people' don't respond to "rational"

"sound argument"...

They respond to their emotions and prejudices.

This "silly theater" is EXTREMELY useful because it highlights the deadly theater within which it was staged...

None of those assholes on the dias were there to be "persuaded by reasonable, rational arguments". They were there to make their political points and give the devil running the empire his platform for his lies...using his proxy Gen. Betray Us...

You might want to quit shitting on potential allies for their tactics and do some more study on what really moves movements and people...

[onenote]

54. guess you never heard of "Clean for Gene"

Maybe you should check your history.

And please cite some of this "research" that shows that outlandish theatrical stunts is an effective political tool.

[BrklynLib at work]

4. Yup! What you said!

:headbang:

[BeFree]

5. 10-4

The courage shown by Code Pink is inspiring.

Most generals make me sick. But there are a few who are begining to stand up for their honor, we just don't hear much about them. But we will, I hope. We will if they follow the Code Pink example.

[ShortnFiery]

6. Any General Officer, in the Field or at the Pentagon without the MORAL Courage to at least retire,

is IMO, as corrupt as the Neo-Cons who started this disaster, i.e., invasion and occupation of Iraq.

I love the military. Honest. I served in the active duty Army, as did my brother and father before me. BUT NOT NOW! I dis-courage all young people I am acquainted with to join Bush-Co's Army.

At least "Saint" Regan, even when his brain was soaked with Alzheimer's, had the common sense not to draw us toward World War f**king III. :(

May The Higher Power bless the heroic efforts of The Code Pink Ladies. :patriot:

[The_Casual_Observer]

10. If you go far enough down the line you'll find a Judas

willing to lie his ass off.

[Totally Committed]

9. I agree... they are doing great!

I think this is a shameful exercize and think their brave counter-point is much-needed. How much actual press they'll get is debatable, but I'm glad to see them there.

TC

[Captain Hilts]

11. Well, Crocker is being honest when he says he sees no "'end game' in sight." nt

[ShortnFiery]

13. That's because the ruling elite want Iraq to have a BRUTAL Leader & again function as a USA puppet.

In essence, they long for another Thug Ruler who will let the USA build mega-bases ... IRAQ, our un-named 51st state. :eyes:

[stimbox]

12. Word.

:bounce:

[Gregorian]

14. I support the protestors.

You are so absolutely right on.

And it feels good just to read your post. It gives me just that little bit of hope and strength that comes from not being alone. And hearing the actual truth.

[mopinko]

16. updated testimony-

iran, iran, iran, iran, iran, iran, iran, iran, iran, iran, iran, iran, iran, iran, iran, iran, iran, iran, iran, iran, iran, iran, iran, iran, iran, iran, iran, iran, iran, iran,

[EVDebs]

17. As any jackass knows, you can't solve a sociopolitical problem militarily

As long as Americans stand up, Iraqis will stand down

[ProudDad]

18. I also hear the load of crap

from Crocker we heard from Coolidge...

What's good for big business is good for <Iraq>...

This assclown is just parroting the corporate party line -- democracy can ONLY occur in a neo-con capitalist paradise.

:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

[partylessinOhio]

20. The Code Pink Ladies are courageous to speak out against this farce

for they have been told that Shelton & Co. will throw the book at them for disrupting his hearing.

Bush and the Supremes have brought such sad days to America. These enablers in Congress have added greatly to the sadness and destruction.

[superkia]

22. Vote for a candidate that will get us out of the war, period!

When the primaries come up and the war is still in full force, vote for a candidate that you know will end this disgrace! If you are not willing to do that, move on to another issue that you will be basing your vote on. Complaining about the politics of this country and then falling into their game and voting one of the usual suspects in, will get you the same result. Always do the same thing, always get the same result. D.C. needs someone that will be completely opposite of what we have been dealing with, someone who cares about the people!

[zulchzulu]

23. Twain said it very well...

"In the beginning of a change, the patriot is a scarce and brave man, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."

- Mark Twain

K&R

[flashl]

24. When I grow up I want to be code pink! n/t

[GreenArrow]

27. darn tootin', they do!

.

[shenmue]

29. Yay Code Pink

:patriot:

I love those people.

[Kelly Rupert]

30. Guts and Balls. The refuge of those without brains.

"Call them counterproductive? They have guts!"
"Bush might not be smart, but at least he's got the balls to fight terror!"

Same. Fucking. Argument. And just as wrong both ways. I personally think they're harmful to the anti-war movement, but I'm open to rational arguments suggesting otherwise. "They have guts" is not one of those.

[AtomicKitten]

33. I applaud their efforts.

[StClone]

35. It's called Civil Disobedience

Yeah we should all quietly buy off the Government.

Bush-Petreaus sham interrupted by those that speak truth; substance is more important than appearance.

[goodhue]

36. absolutely

[MasonJar]

37. Go to see "No End in Sight" if you have not. It is a clear declaration of the

unerring stupidity of our faux leaders in every aspect of Iraq, spoken by the men/women directly involved.

[John Kerry VonErich]

41. Is it me....

or did the chairman of the committee just called them a bunch of assholes on air?

[ProudDad]

45. Nope, not just you

Looks like they bothered that old white man...

[John Kerry VonErich]

50. Just watched it...

He said "This pisses me off. What a bunch of assholes." It's on the C Span site, if it's still up there.

[ProudDad]

51. I was listening to the stream on KPFA

My favorite lefty station had to apologize to their listeners for the unfortunate expletives from the esteemed chairman...So bush's FCC would fine them...

[Vidar]

46. Proudly recommended. Act up for peace!

[unhappycamper]

47. Good post.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

k&r

[Xatencio81]

48. Dog and pony show?

Wasn't it Democratic leaders who wanted to hear a report from Petraeus himself? Who's idea was it to have a hearing like this?

[ProudDad]

52. Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid

They wrote it into the last supplemental...

They may write something into the next pile of billions they shovel into the bushies coffers too...

And again, and again, and again until they get to $3 Trillion or maybe $4 Trillion or maybe $5 Trillion...

And the war goes on and on...

[Semper_FiFi]

53. I agree. Code Pink should be lauded for protesting.

ribbons, stars and decoration do not make one courageous. If "following orders" brings the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis and Americans then how can one respect Betray-us?

Go Code Pink.:yourock:

[LWolf]

55. I support Code Pink.