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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 09:20 PM
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If Kerry loses in Wisconsin, it is the will of the voters
Edited on Tue Feb-17-04 09:22 PM by jpgray
It isn't some conspiracy by Republicans and Independents to skew our primaries. It also isn't some media ploy to ruin Kerry. Let's just leave it at what the people of Wisconsin decide, sit back, and watch the inane comments about cheese that are bound to litter the media pundits' political commentary. :D

edit: And for new folks, I support Kerry.
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leyton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 09:21 PM
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1. It's only the will of the voters when Kerry loses.
Edited on Tue Feb-17-04 09:22 PM by leyton
If he wins, it's the media's fault. Kerry himself can only have a negative impact on his numbers.

</sarcasm>
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ShaneGR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 09:22 PM
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2. I'm a bit pissed off about the "Edwards supporters are Repugs"
It's crap. Suddenly our guy does really well and all the Kerry people want to jump down our throats. GRRRR.
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 09:23 PM
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3. all the Kerry people?
I've seen very very few "kerry people" make that assertion.
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mlawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 09:26 PM
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12. No. Edwards' most consistent detractors usually don't say
who, if anyone, they support. Odd, isn't it??
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MurikanDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 09:25 PM
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9. Not this Kerry supporter
If Edwards wins tonight you'll have my congratulations on a fair and square win.

Good Luck :thumbsup:
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funky_bug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 09:25 PM
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10. That's okay
We had an Edwards supporter on GD today answer this question "What is a Wes Clark Democrat?" with this response "Closet Republicans."

It's not the camps, it's the insanity the political process draws in. My hubby told me last night that politics is a magnet for wackos. I kissed him on the nose and said, "I know honey, but I love you anyhow."
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 09:26 PM
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11. I'm a Kerry person
As with other candidates' supporters, emotions run a little high on primary night.
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seaglass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 09:26 PM
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13. Please don't believe that the opinion of one or two Kerry
Edited on Tue Feb-17-04 09:26 PM by HopeLives
supporters represents all of us.

I like Edwards and if he pulls this out then it's to his credit.
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eileen_d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 09:23 PM
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4. If Kerry loses in Wisconsin
Edited on Tue Feb-17-04 09:24 PM by eileen_d
it's because Skull and Bones had the night off! ;)

JUST KIDDING, everybody...
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 09:24 PM
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6. Okay, better explanation. :-) (nt)
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 09:41 PM
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24. No, it will be too much Botox.........no, wait, not enough Botox...
Nah. I'll just say John Edwards won it fair and square. He's a damn good man and I have nothing but great respect for his campaign. Not sure how the local issues and primary rules for WI. have influenced this contest, we see if this carries into the March primaries.

Regardless of tonite's winner, I have to say that it appears that Dean's run out of steam. He hasn't benefited from Clark's exit, in fact, it looks like he's lost ground....
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 09:24 PM
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5. Yes, It IS Republicans & Independants In Open Primaries
it is so freaking obvious, it makes me sick.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 09:27 PM
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14. Right.
They just said it on CNN. The Repukes are voting against Kerry to make the primaries last longer because they think it will help Bush. Super Tuesday will be a better measure of a DEMOCRATIC Primary.
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mouse7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 09:36 PM
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20. I didn't hear reports of that from Right wing hate radio
Rush, Hannity and Co. weren't yelling for Wisc. neo-cons to go out and vote for Edwards. It's hard to see how that many on the far right would go racing to the polls to extend the race without marching orders from Rush and Co.
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I Lean Left Donating Member (487 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 09:41 PM
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23. The exit polls show
Republicans going overwhelmingly for Edwards. If their intent is to drag it out to help Bush, I think they are idiots. The last thing Bush wants is two more months of being hammered everyday in the media. He would love everyone to go home, have turnout taper off, and the media follow him around the country instead of the Dems.
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Nazgul35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 09:47 PM
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27. So than Kerry's wins in the previous...
open primaries like NH and Mich, and god knows how many others don't count cause the repugs were interferring in those as well?

This logic defies....I don't know...logic?

Karl Rove....the new Dem boggieman....BOO!!!!
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MurikanDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 09:31 PM
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16. I wouldn't assume all Republicans want to re-elect Bush
Most Independants will vote Democratic anyway, and many Republicans are furious with him. I'd be inclined to think most of the Republicans voting in the Primary are the ones angry with Bush, and the support for Edwards is genuine.
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eileen_d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 09:32 PM
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17. I agree with you.
:hi: I have lived to flame another day!
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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 09:25 PM
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7. Yep. But Edwards needs to win more than one at a time.
He outspent JK 5 to 1 in both SC and WI. Can he do it without cherry picking individual states? Does he have the $ to compete in 10 states on March 5th that same way he competed in SC and WI?

If so, that's great.

I'm glad Edwards did so well tonight! Now he can be vetted by the media and the Rove machine.
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mlawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 09:28 PM
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15. He has been vetted by the Helms machine in 1998.
I would think they did a thorough job. Didn't faze him (because they found nothing).
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 09:35 PM
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19. Now Edwards Is In A National Race. The Media Will Push Edwards
with no real negative press.

No bimbo eruption or anything like that for Edwards.

The GOP is playing the Democratic Primaries like a fiddle.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 09:25 PM
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8. I will blame BBV if that happens
being a Kerry supporter means that I must think all other candidates suck and can't possibly win fairly. :-)

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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 09:33 PM
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18. Indeed, Mr. Grey
The candidate the voters give more votes to is their choice, and democracy is heeding such choices by our fellow citizens.

This result is something of a surprise, but that is hardly ground for complaint: surprise piques interest and generates coverage.

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 09:37 PM
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21. Ah, But You've Neglected The Matter Of INTENT
and it is absolutely true that the Right has been voting in Open Primaries for the candidates less likely to beat Bush.
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 09:39 PM
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22. Intent cannot enter into a logical discussion--it can't be measured
It IS a way to interpet results however you want, but that is something I will not do. The people of Wisconsin have decided on the primary system they feel is best, and they will decide on the candidate they feel is best. Our candidates have to run within their system.
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mlawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 09:45 PM
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26. If any repubs do think that Edwards is easier to beat, fine.
repubs have been wrong many many times before. And in November, when Edwards hands them their heads, smiling, they will know they were exceedingly foolish.
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 09:48 PM
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28. This also assumes that the Republicans are THE deciding factor
Which is probably not true. If the election was close enough for a few Republican spoilers to make the difference, then in a sense Edwards won a victory anyway. And this again makes no judgment on the intent of the Republicans.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 09:43 PM
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25. I'm down with this....
depending on the Republican vote impact.
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