Barack Obama - give me a break

[jillan]

At the hearing he gave this compelling speech about how these hearings should not be during the week of 9/11.
I thought - wow - great job Obama.

Then I saw this:
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2007/09/obama_to_outlin.html

Tuesday, September 11, 2007
Obama to outline plan for Iraq

Tomorrow, Barack Obama is set to deliver what his campaign is calling a major address on the war, what it has cost the US, and his plan to end it. Obama, according to campaign aides, will outline new policy proposals on withdrawing troops, diplomacy in the region, and prescriptions for dealing with Iraq's humanitarian crisis. Obama will deliver his address in Clinton, Iowa tomorrow afternoon, part of a two-day swing through the eastern part of the state.

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kinda sucks the air out of his statement - doesn't it?

[NYCGirl]

1. Well, considering he's doing it as a RESPONSE to the hearings, no. NT

[jillan]

4. He's having it both ways

It's not okay to have the hearings now, but it's okay to make a major speech about Iraq.

[NYCGirl]

6. So you have some proof he would've given the speech this week had the hearings

NOT been scheduled?

[jillan]

12. This has nothing to do with the hearings

The Obama for America Campaign said the "major foreign policy speech" will outline his plan to "turn the page in Iraq."
http://qconline.com/archives/qco/display.php?id=353647

this is when he is going to tell the world what he plans to do in Iraq.

[NYCGirl]

13. So Petraeus and Crocker aren't talking about Iraq? NT

[jillan]

15. This is not about Petraeus and Crocker!

It's about Obama talking out of both sides of his mouth.

[NYCGirl]

16. So why do you keep talking about the HEARINGS? NT

[jillan]

18. I'm not - I just repeated what Obama said at the hearings.

Obama at the hearings v. Obama on the campaign stump

[jefferson_dem]

39. Nothing to do with the hearings?

Y'right...

[Adelante]

11. What does Iraq have to do with 9/11?

Nothing that I know of.

[jillan]

21. It doesn't - but Obama brought it up.

[Pirate Smile]

27. Obama brought up the fact that Iraq and 9/11 have nothing to do with each other.

[jillan]

33. and that we shouldn't talk about Iraq because it is used to confuse the American people.

My question is, then why is he announcing his plan for Iraq tomorrow?

[Nimrod2005]

2. Not really.........nt

[sandnsea]

3. He didn't set the 9/11 agenda

and using it as propaganda to conflate Iraq and 9/11 again. Should Democrats just concede the rhetoric to the Republicans??

[jillan]

5. Then why did he pick this week to announce his plan for Iraq?

[NYCGirl]

9. As a RESPONSE to the hearings and the propaganda. NT

[CJCRANE]

36. Um, it's topical because of Petraeus n/t

[Pirate Smile]

7. No, it doesn't. The Hearing shouldn't have been during the week of 9/11 but since it was

you don't let the Administration BS go unanswered. That is a recipe for letting their spin become the accepted narrative of what is currently going on regarding Iraq.

I'm sure in his speech he will again emphasize how Iraq and 9/11 are not connected, just like he did today.

[BeyondGeography]

8. File this with the growing pile of lame "Obama sucks" threads

[Colobo]

10. Another lame attack on Our Next President.

[jillan]

14. He said one thing, and then is doing the exact opposite.

Not okay for the hearings to be the week of 9-11

but it's okay for him to finally tell us what his plan is to get us out of Iraq the week of 9/11.

[madrchsod]

17. clinton iowa.....

if i can find a car i`m there...:bounce:

[jillan]

19. Then maybe you could ask him about this for me.

[Ethelk2044]

38. I wish I could be there as well.

[sailor65]

20. Every time Obama opens his mouth

he kindly reminds me why Kucinich is my guy!

[jillan]

22. Finally!!!

Posted at HuffPo:
Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., complained during a Senate hearing on the future of Iraq with Army Gen. David Petraeus and U.S. Ambassador to Iraq Ryan Crocker, that holding the hearing on the anniversary of the September 11th attacks "perpertuates the notion" that Iraq and 9/11 are linked.

"I think we should not have had this discussion on 9/11 or 9/10 or 9/12," Obama said during his opening statement. "It perpetuates this notion that the original attacks had something to do with going into Iraq."

[NYCGirl]

23. He's right. But they DID have the discussion this week, and he's going to RESPOND.

Get it?

[BeyondGeography]

24. Can you believe you're even having this conversation?

Sometimes, I think I need a new hobby.

:freak:

[Adelante]

32. I honestly can't believe it

This is one of those threads :crazy:

[Colobo]

25. He doesn't get it because he wants to be obtuse.

[jillan]

26. This is NOT a response - why can't you understand this?

This is his plan for Iraq that he chose to deliver this week.

[NYCGirl]

28. And if they had the hearings NEXT week, he would've given his plan then in

response. Only he wouldn't have made the remark about the 9/11 week.

[jillan]

30. I can't find a more simple way to explain this to you but I'll try

You know - candidates when they run for office usually have a plan for the issues facing our country?
Obama has an event planned tomorrow to announce what his plan is to get us out of Iraq. Every candidate should have one.
Tomorrow is 9/12.

Today Obama said that we should not be talking about Iraq on 9/10 - 9/11 - 9/12.

But before he said that today, he announced that he was going to tell us his plan for Iraq on 9/12 at a campaign stop in Iowa.
He is going to be talking about Iraq during one of the days he said we shouldn't be talking about it.

His Plan for Iraq has nothing to do with questioning Petraeus and Crocker today. His Plan for Iraq is so people will
vote for him for President. The hearing today was a report from Petraeus and Crocker on Iraq. It had nothing to do with the fact that Obama wants to be President.

Obama made a statement today that directly contradicts what his plans are for tomorrow.

I cannot explain it any simpler than that.

[Scriptor Ignotus]

31. whatever happened to Occam's Razor?

the simplest answer is usually the right one. NYCGirl, thanks for setting it straight again. I'd say these anti-Obama posts are getting ridiculous but they've been that way for a while.

[gateley]

29. I agree with Obama's statement -- don't confuse 9-11 with Iraq....

And apparently the 10th and the 11th are too close for comfort, too. So will he make his statement on the 12th? 13th? 14th? Will we have forgotten about this being the anniversary time of 9-11?

I think he's speaking out of both sides of his mouth. Whatever it takes.

[flpoljunkie]

34. No better time than now to talk about how to turn the page, rather than Petraeus' "stay the course."

[Dawgs]

35. Jesus. The anti-Obama crowd sure is reaching.

Please tell me you're not going to be another DMC. I don't think I can handle more than one.

[Ethelk2044]

37. Here we go with another Anti Obama Supporter. Yet, If Obama Supporters defend him we are considered

Anti Hillary Or Anti Edwards. This Bull shit post is crazy.

[mod mom]

40. NO He stated thaat having the hearing on 9/11 was a way for * to tie 2 things

unrelated together-as in we invaded Iraq because they had ties to 9/11-WHICH THEY DIDN'T!

[AtomicKitten]

41. here's your break:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3512687

[Connie_Corleone]

42. The speech was planned as a response to Petraeus' "report"

Obama would've given this speech if Petraeus' "report" was next week or next month.

This is just more nonsense.

[jillan]

43. Okay all you Obama people - show me a link that Obama's speech

tomorrow is a direct response to Petraeus' report...

because I still say that they are not related.

If you can show me that I am wrong, I will apologize.

[carpe diem]

44. his critcism is based on the neverending effort...

by the administration and their supporters to conflate 9/11 and Iraq, thus he questioned the timing of the hearings based on that aspect....he, on the other hand is not trying to conflate the two, so the timing of his speech is irrelevant to efforts to conflate 9/11 and Iraq because he has made it clear repeatedly that the two ARE NOT related...