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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 02:19 PM Original message |
Poll question: Did Senator John Kerry Miscalculate & Miss Another Shot at the '08 Nomination |
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Kolesar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 02:22 PM Response to Original message |
1. Do you mean "best shot at taking Clinton out"? |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 02:24 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. No, I don't mean that at all. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 10:38 AM Response to Reply #1 |
33. The debates and townhalls would be speaking volumes by now. |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 07:55 PM Response to Reply #33 |
62. I see it the same way. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 02:25 PM Response to Original message |
3. Maybe not yet, but he would clearly be in the running |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 02:32 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. I think he would tower in the debates now. |
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snowbear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 04:32 PM Original message |
Yeah, but he totally kicked ass in all three debates last time... |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 10:43 AM Response to Original message |
34. Yep - Kerry did his job. Too bad for us that McAuliffe didn't do his job for 4yrs |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 08:09 AM Response to Reply #34 |
72. Kerry slammed McAullife for calling Bush a "draft dodger." |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 08:48 AM Response to Reply #72 |
73. Dean IS working on infrastructure and securing the election process. Did Terry? |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 12:04 PM Response to Reply #73 |
76. My how history is muddled in your re-telling. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 12:18 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. Baloney - spin is not truth. You believe the election stolen yet inconsistently |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 12:24 PM Response to Reply #77 |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 12:29 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. Then Dean should STOP working to secure the election process, since it's not |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 12:31 PM Response to Reply #79 |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 12:41 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. Illustrative of a lack of logic. If Dean is doing it NOW, then that means it |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 01:31 PM Response to Reply #81 |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 02:12 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. Your dimestore analysis routine should attempt picking up a mirror |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 02:15 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. If "seeing" is viewing life through your prism of bitterness -- |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 02:35 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. Newsflash: I have a perfectly healthy ego based in reality. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 02:59 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. "(I have) ... the ability to comprehend that far exceeds the majority of others." |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 06:26 PM Response to Reply #76 |
90. Now that's just wrong, AK. I understand you disagree, and yet |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 06:29 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. blaming IS bitterness -- |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-14-07 10:45 AM Response to Reply #91 |
92. Assessing blame accurately IS smart - that way the real problems are FIXED. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-14-07 03:16 PM Response to Reply #92 |
94. wow -- that's quite a strawman argument |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-14-07 03:20 PM Response to Reply #91 |
95. You're the one launching personal attacks, instead of sticking |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-14-07 03:26 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. the "fundamentals of the argument" are constantly changing |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-14-07 03:42 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. Calling someone "bitter" is a personal attack. If you think |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-14-07 03:45 PM Response to Reply #97 |
98. alert on me by all means if you think you have a case |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-14-07 03:46 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. No, I won't do that. I am just asking you to stop the personal attacks. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-14-07 03:48 PM Response to Reply #99 |
100. in other words you have no case (nt) |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-14-07 05:41 PM Response to Reply #100 |
101. No. That's not it. n/t |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 08:19 PM Response to Reply #8 |
15. I agree, |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 03:00 PM Response to Reply #8 |
58. If you forgot what he is like in town meeting - listen to these short clips |
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rox63 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 02:27 PM Response to Original message |
4. I'd like to think that |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 03:00 PM Response to Reply #4 |
12. I agree. |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 02:28 PM Response to Original message |
5. I think he'd have made a strong challenge, but maybe not frontrunner. |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 02:28 PM Response to Original message |
6. I'm so glad Kerry sat this one out |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 08:53 PM Response to Reply #6 |
19. Only a small fraction of people were angry and blamed him for the outcome in 04. |
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lojasmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 02:32 PM Response to Original message |
7. Hell no. EOM |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
9. I do think so |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 04:32 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. Me, too. |
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politicasista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
10. I would like to think that also |
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napi21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 02:41 PM Response to Original message |
11. NOPE! He had his shot in 2004. For whatever reason you want to |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 03:45 PM Response to Original message |
13. He's following his conscience and fighting effectively in the Senate. |
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Yukari Yakumo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 08:32 PM Response to Original message |
16. Nope. |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 08:50 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. I have to disagree. She stabbed him in the back when she had the opportunity just so she |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 11:07 AM Response to Reply #16 |
40. He'd be DESTROYING her in the debates - she doesn't have 10% of his integrity and it |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 02:12 PM Response to Reply #40 |
49. I actually think that in addition to Kerry's stated reason |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 07:54 PM Response to Reply #49 |
61. Excellent post and observations. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 12:25 AM Response to Reply #61 |
66. Thanks - |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 08:58 AM Response to Reply #66 |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-11-07 08:38 PM Response to Original message |
17. I believe Sen. Kerry would have been a real force in the 08 election if he decided to run. |
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fujiyama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 12:02 AM Response to Original message |
20. Looking at it now |
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BenDavid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 12:11 AM Response to Original message |
21. We had two in row that would |
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Yukari Yakumo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 05:05 AM Response to Reply #21 |
29. Agreed |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 11:11 AM Response to Reply #29 |
42. Hahah... looks more like DRY POWDER saved up from NOT OPPOSING Bush |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 10:19 AM Response to Reply #21 |
31. Fight for what? Ending the Iraq War? The truth is that Hillary is |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 10:58 AM Response to Reply #21 |
39. No - we had the grizzly TEAM sit out 2001-2006 because they had no interest |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 11:17 AM Response to Reply #21 |
44. You mean she has no integrity is dishonest and untrustworthy? And, |
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Fabio (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 12:13 AM Response to Original message |
22. If he had not run in 04, but |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 01:06 AM Response to Reply #22 |
26. rare and honorable person |
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Vektor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 11:25 AM Response to Reply #22 |
46. Amen, Fabio. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 02:24 PM Response to Reply #22 |
50. Very true |
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Inuca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 02:27 PM Response to Reply #22 |
52. And I am sure he was aware of this |
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Blue_In_AK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 12:41 AM Response to Original message |
23. I don't know if he would have been sailing along by now |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 12:44 AM Response to Original message |
24. Had to hold my nose to vote for him in 2004 |
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Lucinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 01:05 AM Response to Original message |
25. No...we will do just fine with our current crop but I do love Kerry. |
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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 02:20 AM Response to Original message |
27. Wow... |
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cleveramerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 03:40 AM Response to Original message |
28. His moment has passed |
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Apollo11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 05:16 AM Response to Original message |
30. John Kerry, Al Gore, Wes Clark |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 10:23 AM Response to Reply #30 |
32. That's just because you didn't get to know her. If you ever decide |
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Vektor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 11:18 AM Response to Reply #32 |
45. I agree with that, Beachmom. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 02:44 PM Response to Reply #45 |
55. Same here |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 10:49 AM Response to Reply #30 |
36. What? He comes across as articulate, in control and commanding on TV |
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Apollo11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 02:34 AM Response to Reply #36 |
68. Don't call her Mrs. Kerry |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 07:53 AM Response to Reply #68 |
70. It surprises me how much you have absorbed the MSM tripe. |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 08:01 AM Response to Reply #70 |
71. One more thing. John Kerry's speech on the Senate floor for John Heinz |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 10:47 AM Response to Original message |
35. No. He views getting Iraq withdrawal ASAP as more pressing - and knows that |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 10:54 AM Response to Original message |
37. Yes and no. |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
38. No, but I've changed my perspective on the 04 campaign |
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WildEyedLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 02:26 PM Response to Reply #38 |
51. It IS because hte media took him out |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
41. The problem with a question like this now is that you get other candidate's supports |
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Vektor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 11:11 AM Response to Original message |
43. If he waits another four years - i.e., "eight years post stolen election" |
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WildEyedLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 02:29 PM Response to Reply #43 |
53. Great post, and McAuliffe made it clear that he would NOT support a recount |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 03:25 PM Response to Reply #53 |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
47. No. Keep him where is is mediocre at best. Not again... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 02:30 PM Response to Reply #47 |
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Inuca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 02:59 PM Response to Reply #47 |
57. I doubt you know what mediocre |
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BlueIris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 11:53 AM Response to Original message |
48. This is such a bizarre poll. Now I understand why Senator Kerry refuses to answer |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 02:54 PM Response to Original message |
56. At the moment the poll is 30%, 70% |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 06:19 PM Response to Reply #56 |
60. Bingo, karynnj. That's why I created the poll. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 03:06 PM Response to Original message |
59. Kerry is actually doing great in this poll! |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 07:57 PM Response to Reply #59 |
63. And the question is: would he be THE front runner, not one of the frontrunners. |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 11:14 PM Response to Reply #59 |
64. Interesting summary of the votes n/t |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-12-07 11:25 PM Response to Original message |
65. Unfortunately, I do not think so. |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 01:10 AM Response to Original message |
67. Not at all. For all his faults, the guy's got at least SOME sense of timing |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 06:39 AM Response to Original message |
69. No, it is still too early for him |
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Nimrod2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 08:50 AM Response to Original message |
74. It is not too late, IMHO. |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 03:39 PM Response to Original message |
88. Lots of people who voted for him in Nov 04 would not be for him automatically |
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renie408 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 03:42 PM Response to Original message |
89. Why can't you help thinking that? n/t |
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SunDrop23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-14-07 10:47 AM Response to Original message |
93. I'm not convinced he didn't win the 2004 election, personally. |
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