I think Joe Biden would make an excellent president...one who really

[Auntie Bush]

has intelligence, compassion, knowledge, negotiating and executive experience. Yes, he can also talk and express himself. He'd make a nice looking president and make a good representative for our country.

Yes, I like Joe Biden and wish he were doing better in the polls. I'd also be very happy if our candidate chose him for VP or gave him a cabinet post like Secretary of Defense...since Clark can't accept that position.

[jillan]

1. Auntie Bush -

I couldn't agree more :toast:

[Olney Blue]

2. I would feel comfortable with Joe Biden as president.

[PatSeg]

5. He looks and sounds like a president

I would be very comfortable with him in the White House, though he would have my sympathy. He would be inheriting an awful mess!

[Olney Blue]

6. Yes, but he has the experience and gravitas to dig us out.

[PatSeg]

8. I know

That's the primary reason I'm supporting him. We have a lot of good candidates, but not necessarily the right people at this time in history.

[Auntie Bush]

You can say that again! But if anyone can fix it

Joe Biden can...with the help of some of our excellent, capable candidates. All we have to do is have a veto proof majority in the WH and refrain from splintering up our party by extremists.

[calimary]

14. Yes, I think I would, too.

And if he ever decides, otherwise, to leave the Senate (assuming he doesn't go all the way to the White House this time), he'd be a WORLD CLASS Secretary of State.

[Cameron27]

3. I think so too.

[PatSeg]

4. People say they want competent leadership

and you offer it to them, and dang if they don't see it!

I still think he'll creep up from behind, pretty much like Kerry did in 04.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

7. Short of Al Gore entering the race, i'm starting to lean in Biden's direction

[PatSeg]

9. I may have just convinced a recovering republican

that Biden is the one. We've debated Biden's merits for months now and today we got him to watch Biden's speech to the IAFF and he was speechless (unusual believe me). I said it was the best political speech I'd ever seen and he actually agreed with me.

He also gave me his membership card to the RNC! He has been saved!!!

[gateley]

22. Hallelujah!

[PatSeg]

26. I'm going to frame it!

[lyonn]

77. That is a good example why he can win

He doesn't play word games, which sometimes gets him in trouble, ha. A few gaffs are better than knowing they are so scripted that they don't make mistakes. If even a repub approves of Bidens view on the war, world, and the constitution, he is worth more than a mere 2 to 4% approval rating. Sheesh

[pacalo]

15. I agree.

[jillan]

10. Auntie Bush -

and everyone else,
come join us at the Biden group.

We have some great - and not so great - discussions over there.

[Auntie Bush]

11. Thanks, I'd forgotten Biden has a group.

I'll run over a take a look see. Can't stay very long because I'm sooooo busy. My darling daughter is getting married on Saturday. I'll participate next week...I promise!

[jillan]

13. Congrats!

tsegat's daughter got married today :)

[PatSeg]

27. Yeah, it was the groom

who gave up the RNC card!!!!

[Auntie Bush]

62. Yeah, he kn ows how to start out a marriage on the right foot...I mean left. :)

[PatSeg]

63. That's for sure!

I'm saving the world, one republican at a time!!! And it starts at home!!!

[illinoisprogressive]

12. Auntie, did you see him on hardball? he was really emotional about this war.

he knows so much about the world and he was really broken up over the dead from iraq.
very touching.

[Auntie Bush]

88. Yes I saw him and it partially the reason I posted this.

He was so caring and emotional! What a difference from the creep in office.

[eridani]

16. Not with that damned Bankruptcy Bill hanging around his neck

I won't idly stand by and approve of the disaster this has wreaked on people just hanging on by their fingernails.

[saltpoint]

18. Do you think Wisconsin liberals reject Russ Feingold for voting to confirm

John Ashcroft?

We don't get it out way 100% of the time.

We pick and choose among the best available choices in all aspects of life generally and in politics especially.

If you can't find good and immutable truths in a hardcord liberal from the east coast like Joe Biden, you simply aren't looking hard enough.

Play fair. Consider the trajectory of all his votes. The presidential Biden emerges swiftly in that analysis.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

36. Biden has voted with the Dems more often than "liberal" Obama and Clinton in this Congress

See http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3513828 which debunks empty labels.

In the 109th Congress Biden voted with the majority 91.6% of the time (only 3.2% less than "liberal" hero Obama); in the 110th he has voted with the majority 97.0% of the time (4th most likely Dem to vote with the Democratic majority), which is a point better than Obama.

[PatSeg]

46. People have a tendency to focus on one or two issues

and often miss the big picture. It is unlikely that a voter will find ONE candidate that has always voted the way he/she would like.

Then people repeat one thing over and over again and that is the first thing to pop in your head when someone mentions that candidate. Remember Kerry - "Oh, he'll raise taxes." "He's a flip-flopper."

[saltpoint]

56. In other posts on DU I've typed in that Joe Biden is one of the great Democrats.

He's considered a hardcore east coast liberal.

Some of my best friends are hardcore east coast liberals.

I love 'em.

And more of them we have in our national government, the better off we are, IMO.

Biden is one of those hardcore liberals. He's been at it a while, too.

His detractors here ignore his long-term voting record. That's a mistake.

[mrigirl]

118. Old Crusoe- Biden's not a Liberal!

I don't want to make you mad but as one Biden supporter to another- I have heard Biden call himself time and time again during interviews that he's a Moderate Democrat not a Liberal. Which is why he appeals to both sides. We don't want someone too far over to the left as President. We need to have someone capable of creating a bi-partisan government who can work w/ Republicans and Democrats alike- and Biden's that man. He's capable of getting it done and working with BOTH sides- because you have to to generate change.

[saltpoint]

119. Joe's a smart guy and speaks in ways so as not to alarm the suspicious villagers.

But check the link I provide in #95 in this thread. Scroll down to the very bottom of the site.

"Hard Core Liberal."

[mrigirl]

120. Maybe on some issues he might be more Liberal

but I think in the overall scheme of things he's more middle of the road. Not too far to the left or right. Actually just right in my opinion. Now you got me thinking there Old Crusoe that maybe I'm not a Moderate as much as I thought I was!!!!

[saltpoint]

121. I'm midwestern-born but well-traveled since, and Biden was one of the

great measuring stones of what it meant to be a Democrat, at least in the growing-up of my and my cousins.

I hear you. He speaks to the wide audience and includes as many angles as he can. Certainly he does, and he's damned good at it, too.

Maybe I've just seen one too many Evan Bayhs in my time and by contrast, anybody east of Evan Bayh is a hard core liberal!

In any case, Auntie Bush's notion that Joe Biden would make a great president has resonance with me. I'm thinking this autumn is Biden's moment.

[mrigirl]

123. me too!!!!!

[democrat2thecore]

52. Do you know how many other liberals voted for that bill?

[pinto]

17. I think he's a good candidate. I'd be comfortable with him as Pres, as well.

I'm obviously supporting a different, "second tier" candidate for his executive experience, but Biden is a good man, would make a good Pres, imo.

We've got a great slate in the primaries and I think there is genuine, broad interest in seeing a Dem elected in '08, as well as increasing our majorities in Congress.

We've got a pant load of a mess to clean up.

:kick:

[harrison]

19. Based upon his experience, Joe Biden should

be our next President. If he could finish at least third in Iowa, then I believe he would be on his way. However, the media is still fixated on Clinton/Obama. Biden can't get much traction with the media. Hopefully, Iowans will step up and see that Joe Biden is the real deal.

[Ishoutandscream2]

20. It's good to see threads like this

and no, I'm not a Biden supporter. But it's good to see us acknowledge the wonderful attributes that our candidates have. ALL OF THEM!

[PatSeg]

21. All the bashing for different candidates is

really a turnoff. This is the kind of discussion that will help us move forward.

I've been to numerous so-called liberal sites the last few days and the message boards are brutal. Personally, I may prefer one candidate over another, but I'm not about to rip the others apart.

[gateley]

23. I've come over to Biden, too...and I feel very comfortable with my

decision. And it's not only that he's lagging in the polls, some polls don't even include him!

I received an e-mail today asking for help raising $100,000 to help keep his ads running in Iowa. I sent him my paltry amount, knowing that every bit helps.

I'd just read an article criticizing him for not doing more in NH, but "experts" believe he doesn't have the funding to concentrate on both. (shaking head -- how does this happen:?)

[jillan]

28. I got that email too.

I already donated this month. I'll probably donated a little more.
I think of it as an investment.

[gateley]

30. An investment -- brilliant! nt

[gateley]

24. I've come over to Biden, too...and I feel very comfortable with my

decision. And it's not only that he's lagging in the polls, some polls don't even include him!

I received an e-mail today asking for help raising $100,000 to help keep his ads running in Iowa. I sent him my paltry amount, knowing that every bit helps.

I'd just read an article criticizing him for not doing more in NH, but "experts" believe he doesn't have the funding to concentrate on both. (shaking head -- how does this happen:?)

[gateley]

25. SORRY! -- Double Post. nt

[jillan]

29. One more thing we have to appreciate about Joe is

Beau Biden - he is scheduled to go to Iraq early next year.

When Biden talks about what needs to be done in Iraq, you can be sure that
this weighs heavy on his mind. And I am wondering if that is why he was so
emotional today on Hardball.

[gateley]

32. It's gotta be devastating to be over there 'in-country' with those kids

knowing the futility and hopelessness of the situation. I think he'd be almost as moved even if Beau wasn't going to be shipping out. And, he's true to his Irish Catholic heritage -- we're a weepy lot!

[jillan]

38. You're probably right!

[PatSeg]

47. I think you're right

[draft_mario_cuomo]

37. self delete: video of it is up in the PV forum nt

[Colobo]

31. www.barackobama.com

Check it out and see the difference!

[Mz Pip]

33. I like Biden

more than I do Edwards or Hillary, at the moment anyway. Haven't picked a candidate yet but would like to see Biden emerge as a 1st tier candidate.

Biden/Obama sounds good to me. Today, at least. :shrug:

Mz Pip
:dem:

[jillan]

39. One of the other Biden supporters calls that ticket

"Joebama" :)

[PatSeg]

45. Actually, my son came over one day

and we were talking politics and he suggested Biden/Obama. Then he said we could call them Joebama!!

[PatSeg]

48. I like Biden/Boxer

but probably never happen!

[sandnsea]

34. He's very personable as well

I watched him on cspan a few nights ago. I really liked how he interacted with the folks in the restaurant, very friendly and personable. He listened attentively, remembered people, it was really great. Reminded me of Kerry's campaign back in 2003.

[Colobo]

35. He's very articulate and clean.

[jillan]

40. You know that is why Michelle told everyone that Obama is stinky

Just to prove Biden wrong. get it? haha.

[sandnsea]

42. aaah, she's a sly one, lol n/t

[Colobo]

43. LOL! I like Biden. For real. He's probably the most prepared candidate for the job.

[sandnsea]

41. I remember

He can put his foot in it sometimes, but I really don't think he's a racist.

[jillan]

44. Not at all.

In his book he talks about his first job. He was a lifeguard where he was the only white person at that pool.
It was before the civil rights movement and DE was really divided.

It was the civil rights movement that got him involved in politics. It made him sick how the people in the "black neighborhoods"
couldn't go outside because of the riots.

He's had an interesting life.

[PatSeg]

50. Good one!!!!

Very funny!

[PatSeg]

49. I saw that too

He remembered people's names and things about them. He also had an answer for every question - no hesitation.

[dugggy]

51. Biden would make the best president in 2008 --- bar none!

No one has thought out Iraq solution better than Biden.

[gateley]

64. And he seems to have a SANE approach to every problem he's presented with.

Some of the others just focus on the hot topics, but Biden appears to have a good grasp of the overall picture and has given serious thought to each situation.

[lyonn]

79. Exactly, he isn't eaten up with absolutes

There are no absolutes in this world, well, very few. Bush is absolute about everything and wrong on everything, and you can see where that logic got us. Even the repubs are disgusted and they have terrible candidates to choose from. A Biden could snare them!!!

[cannabis_flower]

87. For Christ's sake...

He's one of the worst drug warriors in the Senate. Author and sponsor of the RAVE act.

http://www.notesonthescene.com/rave_act.html

[gateley]

90. Positions I strongly disagree with him on, but I'm not going to discount him

totally because of differeng views on some issues. If those are the only two issues you're using as your criteria (although I do understand it addresses a bigger civil liberties concern), then good luck.

[democrat2thecore]

53. For me, it's Obama, Biden or Edwards

And honestly, when I compare the three - I know I would sleep easier with Biden as president. But, has the MSM already narrowed this race?

[gateley]

65. Man -- couldn't have said it better...

"I'd sleep easier with Biden as president." That expresses exactly the trust he instills in me.

I think the problem (I HATE to say it) -- is money. He needs it and doesn't have it and therefore can't buy the media exposure the Clinton, Obama or Edwards can.

As a very wise poster here stated, she views her Biden campaign contributions as an "investment".

[lyonn]

82. OK, you have inspired me to spend a few more bucks on Biden

Think I will go through the DU donation thingy.

[lyonn]

81. Ahh the Media - you wouldn't know there were more than 3 Dems

seriously running for pres.

But have you notice that most of the repubs get mentioned somehow? And those dullards have nothing to say but "stay the course" in Iraq and promise not to raise taxes.

[murbley40]

115. They have,

But we could change all that. It "ain't" over till it's over.

[Byronic]

54. This thread has made my day!

Really, it has. Thank you so much for it Auntie Bush :yourock:

It's a lot less lonely being a Biden supporter these days. There is a very valid reason for that: people are slowly starting to see the substance and depth of Joe Biden. He knows what he is talking about. He is passionate about the issues.

I'm praying his support is actually an inch wide and a mile deep.

Hope some of you take the plunge and leap in!

Even if you don't: I love it when Democrats praise Democrats!

[saltpoint]

57. I second your praise of the OP and of Joe Biden.

You do some serious rockin' yourself, Byronic.

[PatSeg]

58. I do too

I remember not that long ago when our energy was focused at fighting this corrupt administration and its republican enablers. Now everywhere I go, I see liberals attacking liberals. Perhaps we've become so angry and cynical that we randomly snip at anyone these days. It is rather disheartening as it weakens us at a time when we need to unify. We can and should have different opinions about our candidates, but we should remember what we are trying to achieve, and quit "attacking" fellow democrats.

Informed debate and criticism is appropriate and constructive, but building one candidate up by tearing another down is destructive and distracting. A part of me believes that Bush would prefer to see us attack each other and shift the blame for his incompetence and poor judgment to the Democrats. And that is what I'm seeing.

Pick the best candidate and support him/her, but know that none of them will always live up to your expectations all the time, and trashing another Democratic candidate will not help yours.

[jillan]

61. You picked a good day to drop by

:hi:

[Adelante]

55. There you go, Auntie B

:pals:

I still don't know what I'm doing :crazy:

[Auntie Bush]

67. Me either!!

I haven't a clue who to vote for...but I'm leaning toward Biden, Clinton and Obama. Obama is last because I feel he'll be a perfect candidate for us in 2016 and be better seasoned. We have good candidates...why use up a special history breaking one now. Hillary or Biden will probably feel too old to run again at a later date.

I've spent so much time and research of Clark and it pains me to forget him as president and start researching others. I wish Frenchie Cat would use some of her expert research abilities on Biden and help many of us with a decision.

[Adelante]

78. Ah, Wes

Life really can be a bitch.

[lyonn]

84. Has Frenchie Cat been around lately?

She is one of my favorite poster, there are Plenty of others of course. I tend to agree with her through the years.

[Auntie Bush]

89. She was posting the other night and

had just seen Obama and was raving about him. She was really smitten so I don't think she'll be wanting to educate us about Biden. I'm afraid that was just wishful thinking.

[paulk]

59. he's in my first tier

I've always liked him - not a popular position on DU, I realize.

He would make a good president.

[PatSeg]

60. I became impressed with Biden

several years ago, but a part of me figured that with closer examination, I might find him not all he appears. That turned out not to be true. The more I learn, the more I believe he is the best choice.

[gateley]

66. Again, well put!

When the first debate was aired, I found myself liking all of the candidates, each for their own strengths. I've changed my mind several times, but like you, Biden has taken the lead for me. The more I see him, the MORE real he seems to be.

[PatSeg]

68. I've tried to keep an open mind

I don't want to be gullible, so I've kept myself open to all the candidates and I keep coming back to Biden. I see people out there who passionately support "their" candidate to the point where they have tunnel vision. I know it is easy to fall into that mode of thinking, so I make a daily effort to keep my opinions balanced and supported by facts, not charisma.

My first priority is not undying loyalty to a particular person, but what is best for the country. I don't have to even personally LIKE the candidate (though I do). I have to believe they are the most qualified for a very difficult job.

[Steve_in_California]

69. The un-asked question.

There can be no serious question that Senator Joe Biden has all the tools to fix America's most demanding problems. Senator Biden has said that Iraq must be the world's problem. In my opinion, the present go-or-stay delemna finds its solution in calling upon the United Nations to dispatch a true "Multi-National Force" to Iraq, allowing our military and treasury from bearing nearly all the burden. The un-asked question is: Why does George Bush insist that U.N. stay out of Iraq?

[PatSeg]

71. Bush has no credibility with the UN anymore

and a multi-national force would interfere with his corporate cronies interests in Iraq. The neo-cons hate the UN and think it is irrelevant.

Also there is that odd personality trait of Bush's - he is a go-it-along type guy! We don't need no stinkin' UN.

He may also be concerned about being held accountable for war crimes.

[Steve_in_California]

72. John Wayne Bush

As ultra-conservative John Wayne used to say, "Well . . . that's about the size of it, little lady"

[PatSeg]

73. Minus the horse!

Tough guys no need no help!

[jillan]

75. Biden has already gone to the UN and spoke with the top 5

Asking if they would help us in Iraq.
They said they were waiting to be asked.
He passed the info to this administration.

You know the rest...

Welcome to DU!!

[gateley]

91. Yep, another instance where he's taken action and his experience in

diplomacy and foreign relations comes shining through. A Statesman.

[grasswire]

122. welcome to DU

I appreciate your thoughtful post. Why, indeed??

[BlueEyedSon]

70. Bankruptcy Bill

[truebrit71]

74. No thanks. He is a 100% owned asset of the credit card industry...

...and plagarizies from British politicians...

He is no friend of the working man...

He, like far too many Dems these days, has fallen in love with the sound of his own voice...

[jillan]

76. And he has hairplugs.

[truebrit71]

80. Well that too...

...:evilgrin:

[lyonn]

85. And he is Rich! All from that corporate money he gets for himself

and his campaign. SARCASM -

[slick8790]

83. I like him too.

Not my first choice, but i'd have no qualms working for and voting for him in the GE.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

124. I agree ... not my first choice ...

but an excellent option. With the *mess due to be left to the next administration, I think he's more knowledgeable than most on the issues.

[cannabis_flower]

86. Biden is a drug warrior and unless I hear STRONG evidence ..

of any kind of change of heart I would vote for someone else - possibly even a Republican (but probably a Green or Socialist) before I would vote for Biden.

http://www.notesonthescene.com/rave_act.html

Sen. Joe Biden (D-DE) and Rep. Tom Feeney (R-FL) took advantage of Congress' engrained inability to vote against anything that might "save the children" to win passage of two measures destined to cause pain and misery for untold numbers of adult partygoers, club owners, event organizers and criminal defendants. Biden, an ardent drug warrior who authored the notorious "crack house" legislation of 1984, hitched his widely criticized RAVE Act (known officially as the "Illicit Drug Anti-Proliferation Act") to the popular Amber Alert bill (S151/HR1104).

The Amber Alert sets up a national system of alerts for kidnapped kids and increases child pornography penalties. Feeney used the bill to pass a measure to limit the ability of federal judges to grant downward departures in sentences—a measure not limited to sex crimes against children and much more likely to be used to prevent federal judges from reducing sentences for drug offenders. The "RAVE" Act makes it easier for the federal government to prosecute innocent business owners for the drug offenses of their customers—even if they take steps to stop such activity.

[gateley]

96. I just responded to an earlier post of yours but in case you don't get

back up there, here's essentially what I said (because I KNOW you want to hear my opinion).

I'm opposed to RAVE, and the War on Drugs -- feel strongly about the civil liberty concerns, but my choice in a candidate is broader than specific issues on which we disagree. We're in such dire straights now, in all honesty, my priorities are focused on other problems facing us at the moment. Once things begin to improve (and I think Biden's the guy to help make that happen), THEN I'll turn my attention to the other situations that need rectifying. The world's longest journey, you know.

[PatSeg]

105. I agree with you

The War on Drugs is a waste of time and money. Like Prohibition, it only fuels crime and accomplishes
nothing. However, it is not high on my list of priorities right now. The issues we are confronting right now are very serious and the consequences are dire. The foundation of our democracy has been severely damaged and if we don't address that issue first, we won't be able to fix the other problems.

[cannabis_flower]

109. Well..

my choice is broader than all these issues also. But most of the Democratic candidates I agree with on most issues. My first choice is still Kucinich - but of the front-runners I prefer Edwards. Since all of the Democratic candidates are against the war, for improving health care, concerned about global warming and the environment why should I have to settle for someone who is also a drug warrior. And not just any drug warrior - the actual author of a number of the bills that have made our country the country that imprisons more of our fellow citizens than any other country in the world except maybe China.

[gateley]

117. I can certainly understand your viewpoint and it's valid.

But in relation to the other issues, they each have their own approaches -- I obviously resonate better with Biden's.

I'm cautiously optimistic that we as a country will make those changes occur regardless of who gets into the WH. Hell, just the money aspect alone -- that's the impetus for any of their decisions, really -- is a good incentive for whomever is our Prez to give it serious consideration.

One thing I noticed while looking at Biden's voting record is that he would "consider" allowing hemp crops -- that was disappointing. That, in my opinion, is something we could do NOW. It would be such an ecological and economic improvement.

[ginchinchili]

126. Priorities

There are greater priorities than the legalization of pot, even though I agree with you. We have soldiers getting killed or maimed on a daily basis. We need to get the Republicans out of the White House and Joe Biden has the best chance of doing that.

[cannabis_flower]

133. I didn't mention the legalization of pot...

I'm for it. But it is appalling the number of people we have in prison than any other country in the world.

http://www.drugwarfacts.org/prison.htm

"More than 9.25 million people are held in penal institutions throughout the world, mostly as pre-trial detainees (remand prisoners) or as sentenced prisoners. Almost half of these are in the United States (2.19m), China (1.55m plus pretrial detainees and prisoners in 'administrative detention') or Russia (0.87m)."
According to the US Census Bureau, the population of the US represents 4.6% of the world's total population (291,450,886 out of a total 6,303,683,217).

Source: Walmsley, Roy, "World Prison Population List (Seventh Edition)" (London, England: International Centre for Prison Studies, 2007), p. 1; US Census Bureau, Population Division, from the web at http://www.census.gov/main/www/popclock.html accessed July 8, 2003.

Most of these people are not their for marijuana. This represents a huge waste of money and resources that could be used find, prosecute and imprison violent criminals such as that pervert that just sexually assaulted and hung a 6-year old in Corsicana, Texas http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/tx/5131938.html or those cretins that kidnapped that woman in West Virginia and abused her for a week. http://www.kentucky.com/471/story/174350.html

Anyone who thinks that this is just about the legalization of marijuana isn't fully informed about the scope of the issues involved.

[Prince Paul]

92. You think a neocon would be good in office ?

[saltpoint]

93. Bill Kristol is a neocon. If you are making the mistake of comparing Joe Biden

to a neocon, you are an ideological contortionist of the first order.

Way, way off.

[Prince Paul]

94. So Dubya isn't a neocon in your opinion huh ?

[saltpoint]

95. Do some thinky and check this linky:

http://www.issues2000.org/Senate/Joe_Biden.htm

Don't fail to read the key votes which make the conclusion at the bottom definitive.

"Hard Core Liberal"
is what it says and

"Hard Core Liberal"
is what it means.

[Prince Paul]

97. He wants to partition Iraq into three states

Don't you know that was the ultimate neocon goal going into Iraq ?He also voted for the war and continues to fund it. I don't want to go on because my posts keep getting deleted whenever I criticize another Democrat.

[jillan]

98. Newsflash!

Did you watch any of the hearings yesterday?

That is where Iraq is headed because that is what 2/3 of Iraqis want.

What if Biden was right all along? And all these people didn't have to?

[Prince Paul]

100. LOL

[saltpoint]

99. Wise choice. You certainly weren't adding much clarity to this conversation.

You didn't check the linky either. I wish you had.

I hate it when people don't thinky on the linky.

I strongly support Biden's contention of the partition plan. Strongly. He's the first to say it's not unflawed but it's for us to realize that the current president HAS no plan. In the absence of leadership, I will take a strong leader, and Biden is a strong leader.

Your association in this thread of Biden, a distinguished scholar and hard core liberal for decades, with neocon pro-Bush ideology is irresponsible and baseless crap. No kidding. It really is crap.

The link proves that point, if you have a moment to read it. Then PM me. We can talk about Biden's lifelong voting record in the context of the times we face.

[jillan]

101. Guess there's just some people that don't think they need linkys.

Life is easier that way.

But I appreciate your linkys :)

[saltpoint]

102. I really didn't mean to get testy. It's just that I don't see any good to come

from bashing Democrats, especially Democrats who know a hell of a lot more about foreign policy than I do, especially Democrats who have been in public service longer than most voters have been ALIVE, and especially Democrats who have gifts and strengths we need DESPERATELY right now in the wake of such disastrous mismanagement and heartless neglect from the Bush administration.

I just ordered another round of John Edwards bumper stickers for some of the county people I know here and there who wanted some, and I'm still in the Edwards camp. But I also ordered some Biden gear and have also come by (through another DUer's gracious and alert assistance) some RFKJr stuff.

Our candidates are the people I'm looking to for rescue, and I feel they're the folks who can deliver the goods. How absolutely WONDERFUL it will feel to tune in on the night of the Iowa caucuses in January to watch Iowa Democrats begin the process of throwing that brainless, heartless monkey out of the Oval Office!

[PatSeg]

108. Well his comments were a tad delusional

if not flat out silly.

I think it is important that we use our time and resources to support our choice(s), not to tear down other Democrats.

Have you found any magnetic bumper stickers? We had some in 04 for Kerry, but I haven't seen any for Biden.

[saltpoint]

112. Not yet on the magnetic ones. Will keep an eye out, though.

I thought the Biden home site might have a store for gear up by now.

[PatSeg]

107. Maybe he's disguised his truth agenda for 34 years!

It has all been a ruse!!! :wow:

[Auntie Bush]

103. I don't think that was a very nice or true comment. Kind of hit and run.

I don't think Dennis would be very proud of you.

[Inuca]

110. NEOCON?!?!?

Do you know what the word means? I doubt it, else you would not have applied to Biden. He is not perfect, nobody is, but NEOCON??? Come on...

[PatSeg]

113. Poster must be living in "Opposite World"

Where up is down and "hard core liberal" is neocon!

[saltpoint]

104. Auntie Bush, it might be fun to keep a copy of this thread. You put it up

in early September when Joe Biden's numbers are still in the lower single digits.

It might be a very interesting document come this December.

My hunch runs strong that those poll numbers are going to climb this fall.

What fun it would be to read this thread again then.

[PatSeg]

106. Like a time capsule!

A reminder of how soon we forget.

[saltpoint]

111. Yes.

[PatSeg]

114. Lest our political memories become as short

as those of the political pundits. They've already forgotten 2004 when Kerry wasn't even a blip on the radar screen.

[murbley40]

116. I just contributed again to the Biden campaign.

I contibuted to keep those ads going across Iowa.

[ginchinchili]

127. Way to go for supporting Joe Biden!

I commend you. I've been contributing more to his campaign than I can afford. But I'm convinced we're backing a winner.

[jillan]

128. Another Biden supporter -

to quote him

"Yes!"

[ginchinchili]

125. Why can't Wesley accept that position?

I guess Wes Clark Democrats think alike. I was a very strong supporter of Wesley Clark's during the last election. Now I'm fully committed to Joe Biden because, damn it, I want a Democrat in the White House and I think he's got the best shot at it. But I was interested in why you say Wes can't accept a job as Defense Sec?

[PatSeg]

129. I think it has to do with being military

I believe Secretary of Defense has to be a civilian, but don't recall all the details.

[PatSeg]

131. Okay here it is

Found this on Wikipedia:

By statute the secretary must be a civilian who has not served in the active component of the armed forces for at least 10 years (10 USC Sec. 113 - Note that Congress had passed a law to allow George Marshall to be appointed in 1950 despite having only been a civilian since 1945). The Secretary of Defense is sixth in the presidential line of succession.

[calteacherguy]

130. I like Biden, too. nt

[jillan]

132. If everyone who has voiced their support for Biden on this thread

would donate what they can to his campaign, that would be the best thing we could do for him.


Biden is *always* being called a corporate whore, but if you look at where his contributions
are coming from you would know that is just another rumor. And while your at it, follow where his money is coming from compared to other Democrats running for Prez.
He is depending on the people to help him.

In 2001 Biden proposed legislation for public funding of elections.
http://biden.senate.gov/newsroom/details.cfm?id=229520&&
When you hear him talk about it now, it is not a talking point.