Quinnipiac Florida: Hillary most electable Democrat...

[SaveElmer]

First the Dem Race...Hillary maintains a huge lead (don't know if this will mean much if Florida loses its delegates..)

Clinton 42 (43)
Obama 13 (13)
Gore 12 (11)
Edwards 9 (8)
Richardson 1 (2)
Don't know 15 (15)

Head to Head

Clinton 44 - Giuliani 44
Clinton 45 - McCain 40
Clinton 46 - Thompson 40
Clinton 48 - Romney 38

Obama 38 - Giuliani 47
Obama 39 - McCain 42
Obama 43 - Thompson 39
Obama 44 - Romney 36

Edwards 42 - Giuliani 46
Edwards 42 - McCain 39
Edwards 44 - Thompson 36
Edwards 47 - Romney 33

Favorabiity numbers - Hillary steadily improving...highest fav among Democrats in Florida

50 - 43 percent for Clinton
45 - 45 percent for Gore
48 - 30 percent for Edwards
46 - 28 percent for Obama

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1297.xml?ReleaseID=1104

[Lerkfish]

1. but would she be the best thing for the country?

:shrug:

[SaveElmer]

3. Yes she would...nt

[Lerkfish]

5. Asking one of her acolytes is not an objective excercise

I was asking the question generally.

[wyldwolf]

9. who did you expect to answer?

[Lerkfish]

13. everyone, anyone. I'm just making the point that for a Hillary acolyte

to simply answer in the affirmative without supporting argument is a foregone conclusion without much value.

My guess is these sort of threads are for acolyte consumption only, then?

[wyldwolf]

18. yes, but because of who you are, your question was a mere rhetorical one

no supporting argument would sway you.

[Lerkfish]

30. I yam what I yam

a person who doesn't simply accept things "because I said so". I"m the type of person who likes an actual argument. If that's the kind of person who doesn't deserve an argument, perhaps that says a great deal about how you push people AWAY from your candidate.

[madfloridian]

2. Then why spend so much on primaries?

Why don't the others concede and save their money?

[durrrty libby]

12. Fabulous idea

[depakid]

4. Kerry was the "most electable" democrat too

errr... wasn't he?

[wyldwolf]

6. so I guess the alternative is to pick the least electable.

[depakid]

10. I think the alternative is to learn from history

Something that the right wing of the party- and the touters of the "conventional wisdom" never seem able to do.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

14. Comventional Wisdom Is Not Infallible But It Is Right More Often Than Wrong

eom

[depakid]

17. Really?

It might be wise to go back and look at "conventional wisdom's" track record.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. If You Went To The Political Futures Markets

The final futures predicted every one of the 468 House And Senate races in 06 correctly...

[wyldwolf]

19. ok, old sage, what can we learn from nominating John Kerry?

As opposed to someone like, say, Howard Dean or Dennis Kucinich or Al Sharpton?

[depakid]

20. One thing we learned

is that pandering- and failing to stand up for traditional Democratic values- in clear and no uncertain terms, will cost us elections that ought to have been won by landslides.

[wyldwolf]

21. no, we didn't learn that. "Progressives" assert that with no supportive evidence

Could it be that, as most analysts say, the election really did boil down to national security and Bush was the most trusted?

Could it be, as many others say, believing you're above playing dirty (that "liberal ideal") will hinder you everytime if you don't hit your opponent back hard? (Which is why I love the Clintons and Dems like Emanuel - pop them on the jaw and they'll gut you.)

[depakid]

23. On that issue- there was a defining moment

"Would you, knowing what you know today..."

Kerry dropped the ball- and that, as much as any failures to respond in August, cost us the election.

[wyldwolf]

24. which has nada to do with "failing to stand up for traditional Democratic values" whatever those are

[CTyankee]

27. I know this is hindsight but when I think about Kerry's persona in the 04 campaign

I kinda cringe. Don't get me wrong, I loved JK and voted for him. But I think he gave off an aura of upper class, Eastern liberal who lives a fabulous life in fabulous wealth, very different from so many Americans lives. And as much as I thought Teresa would be a great first lady I realize I was kidding myself if I thought everybody did too.

So these were built in negatives that we didn't even think about prior to the campaign.

Now the question is: are we heading for the same thing in 08? I notice that lots more probing/polling on electability than there was in 04.

This is a whole new ball game. I'm not making any hard and fast predictions until later when we can get some good, scientific polls to probe this issue.

[rinsd]

32. Huh? Kerry was pandering and didn't stand up for traditional Democratic values?

That loss had more to do with the swiftboaters and fishy election practices.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

33. HRC Has A 95 ADA Rating-Where I Come From That's An A

http://www.adaction.org/2006Senatevr.htm

[rinsd]

29. This is a tipping point moment and the death knell of the Hillary is unelectable meme

Can you imagine after 8 months of Hillary is unelectable, people are bringing up Kerry?

This is a true credit to the Clinton campaign who has destroyed one of the few effective weapons the other Democrats had to use against her.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

8. I Never Thought He Was

I thought John Edwards was... I think he's the "most electable" this time around too but in order to get elected one must first win the nomination and that doesn't seem likely at this moment...

It's hard not to be impressed by HRC's showing in the polls...

[depakid]

16. It's sure easy for me NOT to be impressed

by snake oil salesmen tossing out "poll numbers" -often from states that no Democrat has a shot in hell of winning- 14 months before the election!

[ShortnFiery]

31. Same here: "The political elite keeps telling me that we have no choice. But they're wrong." nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

34. Is This Better?

http://www.pollingreport.com/wh08gen.htm

[ronnykmarshall]

36. That webisite means nothing

Just another prawn of the DLC!!

[durrrty libby]

15. errr.......many say he did win

[rinsd]

28. We've come full circle. For 6 months the meme was Hillary is unelectable.

Now, its remember when Kerry was electable?

That my friends is outstanding campaigning.

[wyldwolf]

7. Hillary does better against the GOP than Obama and Edwards in Ohio AND Florida.

[Clintonista2]

25. I wonder how many Hillary haters melted after reading your post

The truth is so different than the crap they have been spewing, isn't it?

[SaveElmer]

26. It's how conventional wisdom becomes conventional wisdom...

It's just repeated often enough people begin to accept it as truth...assuming there is some evidence to back it up...

Like the latest that Hillary will kill Democrats down ballot. Haven't seen a shred of evidence to back that up...but it is thrown around as fact...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

35. And In Nat'l Polls Too

http://www.pollingreport.com/wh08gen.htm


She's not my favorite candidate but I can distinguish between the empirical (the way things are) and the normative ((the way things ought to be)... That's Poli Sci 101 or colloquially known as "Introduction to American Politics".

[OHdem10]

11. It appears Guilliani is her strongest oppostion. for now

anyway.

Good to see HRC favorables improving.

[Kelly Rupert]

38. Even better to see her unfavorables dropping. n/t

[ronnykmarshall]

37. Quinnipiac? pffft!

Just a prawn of the DLC and KKKarl.