Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Zbig on Obama

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 06:22 PM
Original message
Zbig on Obama
Zbigniew Brzezinski doesn't believe in speaking down to his audience.

The former national security advisor to Jimmy Carter introduced Obama at Ashford University in Iowa today, after decrying what he called the Bush administration's colonialist policies in a postcolonial world, adding the Administration had "used mendacity" to justify the war and that "it has discredited America as a whole."

For Brzezinski, 79, support for Obama means support for a radical change in direction of American foreign policy. But some argue Brzezisnski's support could hurt Obama, particularly with Jewish voters. The Politico today wrote Brzezinski came under fire this summer for an essay he wrote in the journal Foreign Policy, “defending a controversial new book about the power of the ‘Israel Lobby’ in American politics.”

"The fact of the matter is that I'm part of the only administration that brought about peace between Israel and its neighbors,” Brzezinski said in an interview with NBC News/National Journal in Iowa on the day Obama delivered his Iraq policy speech, which he said he did not have a direct hand in. “And so I'm proud of my record in the Middle East.”

Talking of his support for Obama, Brzezinski evoked the mantle of former presidents Woodrow Wilson, Harry Truman and John F. Kennedy Jr. "What makes Obama attractive to me," he said, “is that he understands that we live in a very different world where we have to relate to a variety of cultures and peoples."
Brzezinski says that willingness to understand the subtext of culture allows for a more informed foreign policy that can create a comprehensive strategy in Iraq that is inclusive rather than delineating the region into those who are allies of the United States and those who are against it.

Obama's emphasis on speaking to foreign leaders could be echoes of Brzezinski viewpoints. Brzezinski emphasized the need to engage Iraq's neighbors, including Iran, to help stabilize Iraq. He dismissed the notion that leaving Iraq could leave it open to civil war and a wider sectarian conflict that could engulf the region, a fear that U.S. Amb. to Iraq Ryan Crocker alluded to in his testimony before the Senate yesterday.

"The administration is really putting American in the position of being a prisoner of uncertainty," he said. "We know the engagement is costly to us. We don't know what the consequences of disengagement will be, but the administration always says it will be the worst possible."

Brzezinski said Iran would be a partner in helping the situation in Iraq rather than the foe that the Bush administration claims it to be because it could face instability within its own borders if Iraq were to "blow up."

"If you look at the math,” he said, “the overlap between Iran and Iraq, Iran has an enormous stake in Iraq not blowing up because it itself could blow up," he said.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/09/12/358475.aspx
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 07:16 PM
Response to Original message
1. I think he is right on Iran
They don't want Iraq to decend into chaos, they want a stable Iraq with a solid Shia majority because it will most likely favor them. BushCo and his war minions like Lieberman keep trying to blame Iran and start a war for the disaster they created.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 09:41 PM
Response to Reply #1
6. Did you get his e-mail today about Iraq?
Don't know if you are signed up to get those too, but he seems spot on about Iraq as well!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 09:08 PM
Response to Original message
2. Gobama!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 09:09 PM
Response to Original message
3. It's Great!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 09:33 PM
Response to Reply #3
4. Yes indeed!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 09:39 PM
Response to Original message
5. Obama has all these quality endorsements from the respected experts in their fields.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 11:10 PM
Response to Original message
7. Brzezinski has been affiliated w/ the Smith Richardson Foundation
which donates to conservative think tanks that work and lobby against liberal and progressive causes, i.e., American Enterprise Institute (say hello to Lynne Cheney), and promote the Bu$h-Cheney NeoCon/PNAC agenda
http://www.mediatransparency.org/funderprofile.php?funderID=6 (scroll down to see Brzezinski's name, and click it for extra details ... on the upper left, click on "Funders and recipients who share official people with Smith Richardson Foundation Financials"

Source Watch page on ZB
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Zbigniew_Brzezinski

he's an honorary co-advisor at the US-Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce http://www.usacc.org/content.php?type=page&id=2&chi=5&par=3 - an odd country for such notables as James Baker, Henry Kissinger, Brent Scowcroft and Sam Brownback to be knocking around together - except that it does border the Caspian Sea, and geopolitically is in the oil basin footprint ... not too surprising, Brzezinski wrote about The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and its Geostrategic Imperatives, a title sounding a bit imperialistic, imo (the key to world supremacy, Brzezinski holds, lies in control of the Eurasian continent (see the Caspian Sea, and bordering nations).

Looking closely, you can see Azerbaijan on the central west bank of the Caspian Sea, just north of Iran
http://web.archive.org/web/20000615181917/www.treemedia.com/cfrlibrary/library/background/forsythemap.html
one of the maps in the research done by the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) c.1999 focusing on the geopolitics of the Caspian Sea region ... looks like the CFR was doing some advance PNAC work ... they even referenced some of Brzezinski's charts (click "Library", click "Maps and Charts")
http://web.archive.org/web/20021108154512/http://treemedia.com/cfr/

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Smith_Richardson_Foundation
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=US-Azerbaijan_Chamber_of_Commerce

the CSIS isn't exactly a progressive organization - but, hawks for the mil-industrial-corporate complex, where common ground is found by the likes of Sam Nunn (General Electric's Board of Directors is one of the many places he can found) to David Abshire and James R. Schlesinger, both at The Nixon Center. http://web.archive.org/web/20050205063607/www.nixoncenter.org/boardac.htm http://www.csis.org/about/trustees/
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Center_for_Strategic_and_International_Studies#Board_of_Trustees.2C_Expert.2C_and_Seniour_associates
CSIS and the Council on Foreign Relations are virtually the same people working for corporations and war profits

some of the people who find common denominators with ZB can be found on Bu$h's Pentagon Defense Policy Board http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/dod/dpbmembers.html i.e, James R. Schlesinger, a Board member of the Nixon Center along with Lieberman and Kissinger.

fwiw






Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
venable Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 05:06 AM
Response to Original message
8. Zbig's support is a mixed blessing, at best, IMO nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Fri Apr 26th 2024, 04:32 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC