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EV_Ares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 08:17 AM
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Bush Jumps In Poll 8 Points - Most Shrug Off Subprime Mess
Edited on Thu Sep-13-07 08:32 AM by EV_Ares
This shows what some of us was talking about here the other day. That of the Dems letting the President take control of the dog & pony show the general put on. They did nothing to counter anything as they have not on this war since they took control of congress.

They would be better off taking a good hard debate on this war against the republicans instead of joining the republicnas in their attack on MoveOn.org.
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Americans remain relatively unconcerned about the subprime mortgage lending situation, and they say President Bush is doing a better job, according to the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll. When asked to rank several elements of the economy and whether they had been negatively impacted by them, respondents chose rising gasoline prices, health care costs and the federal budget deficit as their top concerns. Meanwhile, immigration issues and subprime mortgages ranked at the bottom of the list. In fact, only 18% of those polled said the mortgage lending situation had a very negative personal affect on them. Fifteen percent said it had a somewhat negative affect, and 62% said it had had no negative affect whatsoever. Five percent of those polled remained unsure about the effect the mortgage situation might have had on them.

Rising gasoline prices, however, were a major concern for 57% of respondents. Thirty-one percent said they had been somewhat negatively impacted by gas costs, and 12% said they had not been negatively affected. And when it comes to making their mortgage payments, 66% of those polled who own homes were not worried at all, 19% were only a little worried, 5% were fairly worried and 10% very worried. These figures are virtually unchanged from the July NBC/Wall Street Journal poll, and even show a slight decline in concerns about making mortgage payments when compared to a May 2001 Fannie Mae National Housing Survey.

President Bush’s 33% overall approval rating in the latest poll shows a continuing rise since his all-time low in June of 29%, which ticked up in July to 31%. Respondents remained unchanged since July on the way Bush is handling the economy, with 38% approving. But respondents also showed a significant increase in their approval of the president’s handling of Iraq, rising to 30% from July’s wartime low of 22%.

Congress likewise held steady in its approval rating at 23%.

Read more poll results on MSNBC.com.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/20749058

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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 08:19 AM
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1. Stupid people are multiplying
That's how I explain the uptick in Bush's approval rating.
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 08:37 AM
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5. Great pic. Whose head is bigger? Rupert Murdock or Larry King?
Edited on Thu Sep-13-07 08:39 AM by hisownpetard
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 08:34 AM
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2. Most Americans don't want to hear about problems UNTIL it is to late.
Moderate repubs and Independents were looking to the Democrats for NEW strong leadership and a NEW direction and have been greatly disappointed; approval poll numbers for Congress are worse than approval poll numbers for bushco. If the Congressional Democrats don't believe they're in trouble and begin to do something to change voter perceptions, election 2008 may find Democrats on the outside looking in.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 08:35 AM
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3. They don't know yet that the subprime mortgage fiasco
figures to cost the economy $350 billion this year and next. The public isn't hearing the dimensions of the blowback.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 08:44 AM
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9. They'll start paying attention when their mortages jump
A whole set of ARMs are coming up for readjustment this week and next. The subprime mess will start to sink in at the beginning of October when these people find that their payments have jumped fifty-one hundred percent.

People pay attention to what is made personal. The subprime has, so far, been pretty abstract but that is going to change. It will be interesting to see these figures in a month or so.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 09:26 AM
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16. Yes, indeedy
This is going to be a huge issue for 2008, too.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 08:36 AM
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4. 33% approval is an ear popping height for this halfwit
Edited on Thu Sep-13-07 08:36 AM by niceypoo
We have been here before. It bumps up a little in a single poll, then it resumes its gradual, perpetual down slide.
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 08:38 AM
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6. The only jump I want Bush to make is from the top floor of a tall building. nt
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 08:43 AM
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8. No. Please.
1) They'll blame it on Hillary.

2) if you think he's insufferable as a President, imagine him as a martyr?
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 08:42 AM
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7. I don't know that a bump from 22 to 30 percent over handling the war...
was terribly dependent upon how John Kerry reacted when asked bout the Moveon.org ad.

Face facts--that "base" of Chimpy's is going to react favorably if you haul out a figurehead who says we're making progress, and the RW outlets chirm along in unison.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 08:46 AM
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10. They are back to connecting 9/11 and Iraq again..
with some success it seems.

The pain of the subprime mortgage debacle hasn't trickled down yet, or maybe more accurately the dam hasn't broken yet.

I have been saying for a while, and I still maintain that Bush will leave office with an historically low approval rating. So low, that I doubt any President will ever be able to touch it again. Unless Mittsy or Jeb gets elected.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 09:09 AM
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11. MSNBC--Matthews: As long as Bush holds 30%
he is homefree---the GOP stays with him.

It is possible if they play this right, someone like
a Guilliani can move in and win the next election.

I agree with him. It is looki8ng more and more
like a GOP Pres in 08.

Even Scarborogh who is opposed to this war. The only
way to win an election for Democrats is to be able
to contrast themselves against the Republicans.
They are not doing this.

Both Matthews and Joe oppose this war personally.

They are giving a clear eyed assesment. No name calling,.

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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 09:11 AM
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12. We'll see, there's a long way to go..
a lot can happen in a year. I think both Matthews and Scarborough are idiots for the record though.
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jmp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 09:14 AM
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13. This is the result of allowing ...
The "surge" to proceed. The refusal to end the war is going to blow up in the face of congressional Democrats in '08.


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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 09:16 AM
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14. Amazing that they congratulate themselves over a 30 % approval rate on Iraq.
A number of people change their mind depending what they hear last on TV. What they heard last was the assessment by complicite media that the surge is working.

Still 70 % disagree in a way or another. Nothing to be proud of!
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EV_Ares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 12:09 PM
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18. I agree but the point of this is his #s increased by 8% while the congress
numbers stayed set at around 23%. Even if this is just his base and some independents it gives him even great leverage now to do what he wants and the dems are already afraid of doing anything. So, 8% this month, another increase next month and this can get completely away from congress. I am saying the dems had better figure out a way to do something, anything or they won't be back after the next election. They are being seen as impotent now. Maybe if they took a page out of Kucinich or Edward's play book and listened to them some, they might do better.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 09:21 AM
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15. THIS POLL WAS DONE BEFORE THE MOVEON add.
Edited on Thu Sep-13-07 09:22 AM by Mass
for the most part (Sept 7 to 10 - The ad was published on the 9th or 10th. The media really started to talk about it on the 10)

It had no influence whatsoever...

In addition, we are talking about a 30 % approval rating. Normally, people would think it is terrible. He still just has his hardcore base, those who think we should stay there forever).
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EV_Ares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 12:05 PM
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17. I know the moveon ad had nothing to do with Bush's poll numbers. Those
increased after the hearings by his general. I was just saying the dems would do better to criticize the republicans and try to get a handle on this entire thing instead of attacking moveon. Its about time they start taking a stand on something. Their numbers didn't move any.
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