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WillTheGoober Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 09:27 AM
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No Center, No Centrists
No Center, No Centrists
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by George Lakoff
Last modified Tuesday, August 14, 2007 11:04 AM


"Centrism" is the creation of an inaccurate self-serving metaphor, and it is time to bury it.

There is no left to right linear spectrum in the American political life. There are two systems of values and modes of thought — call them progressive and conservative (or nurturant and strict, as I have). There are total progressives, who use a progressive mode of thought on all issues. And total conservatives. And there are lots of folks who are what I've called "biconceptuals": progressive on certain issue areas and conservative on others. But they don't form a linear scale. They are all over the place: progressive on domestic policy, conservative on foreign policy; conservative on economic policy, progressive on foreign policy and social issues; conservative on religion, but progressive on social issues and foreign policy; and on and on. No linear scale. No single set of values defining a "center." Indeed many of such folks are not moderate in their views; they can be quite passionate about both their progressive and conservative views.

Barack Obama has it right: Get rid of the very idea of the right and the left and the center. American ideas are fundamentally progressive ideas — the ideas this country was founded on and that carry forth that spirit. Progressives care about people and the earth, and act with responsibility and strength on that care.

The progressive view of government is simple. Progressive government has two aspects: protection and empowerment. Protection is far more than the military, police, and fire departments. It includes consumer protection, worker protection, environmental protection, public health, food and drug safety; social security, and other safety nets. It also includes protection from the government itself, and hence a balance of powers, openness, fundamental rights, and so on.

Empowerment include roads and bridges; public education; government-developed communications like the internet and satellite communications systems; the banking system; the SEC and institutions that make a stock market possible, and the court system, mostly about contracts and corporate law. Progressive government makes business possible. No one makes any money in this country without the progressive empowerment by government. A progressive foreign policy is not based solely, or even mainly, on the state — about the "national interest" defined as our military strength and GDP. Progressive foreign policy focuses on individual people's interests as well as national interests: on poverty, disease, refugees, education, women's and children's issues, public health, and so on.

These are simply American values. The progressive movement is a patriotic American movement. People who call themselves "centrists" share progressive views on important issue areas, but have conservative views on other major issue areas. The areas vary from person to person. There is no single moral perspective, no single set of agreed upon issues.

The very idea that there is a "center" marginalizes progressives, and sees them as extremists, when they simply share fundamental American values. The term "center" suggests there is a "mainstream" where most people are and that there is a single set of views held by that mainstream. That is false.

The fallacy matters in terms of Democratic electoral strategy. The Democratic base consists of people who are mostly or totally progressive, just as the Republican base consists of people who are mostly or totally conservative. How does the Democratic Party as a whole, and how do Democratic candidates in particular, speak to those who are biconceptual?

I am a cognitive scientist and believe that people's brains play a significant role in elections. From the perspective of brain science, the answer is a no-brainer. (Sorry, I couldn't resist!) You speak to biconceptuals the same way you speak to your base: you discuss progressive values, and if you are talking to folks with both progressive and conservative values, you mainly talk about the issues where they share progressive values. What that does is evoke and strengthen the progressive values already there in the minds of biconceptuals.

And of course, you don't negate or argue against the other on their framing turf — remember Don't Think of an Elephant!

That was the winning strategy of Sherrod Brown in Ohio. Brown is a thoroughgoing progressive who never moved one inch to the right. He talked about the issues where he agreed with his Ohio audiences — and legitimately spoke for them.

Think about Barack Obama going to Rick Warren's megachurch and getting a standing ovation from evangelicals because he talked about the places where he agreed with them, he activated his values in them (values they already had), he came across as a man of principle, and he didn't get in their face about where he disagreed.

The losing strategy is to move to the right, to assume with Republicans that American values are mainly conservative and that the Democratic party has to move away from its base and adopt conservative values. When you do that, you help activate conservative values in people's brains (thus helping the other side), you offend your base (thus hurting yourself), and you give the impression that you are expressing no consistent set of values, which is true! Why should the American people trust somebody who does not have clear values, and who may be trying to deceive them about the values he and his party's base hold?

Harold Ford is a perfect example. He just wasn't believable as a good ole boy Tennesseean when he took conservative positions. He just didn't seem real. The "not a real Tennesseean" ad pointed up the discomfort that Ford's overt appeal to the right aroused in Tennessee. It was perceived as sleazy, and the "Call me, Harold" ad pointed to it as well. The ads were racist in part, but they were more than just racist. It would be hard to imagine such ads directed at Barack Obama.

Which brings me to the DLC, which Harold Ford now heads.

My colleague, Glenn W. Smith, has pointed to the DLC strategy of getting as many "swing voters" as possible and the minimum number of base voters needed to win. That is why the DLC and Rahm Emanuel argued against Howard Dean's 50-state strategy and for a swing-state alone strategy.

The DLC has concentrated on policy wonkishness (see their 100 new policy ideas on their website) rather than values. Their concentration on laundry lists of policies rather than vision, values, and passion has not helped the Democrats electorally.

The reason the DLC has been attacking progressives, Smith argues, is that DLC members have major conservative values and are threatened by the progressive base. Some of those values are financial: Wall Street, the HMO's and drug companies, agribusiness, developers, the oil companies, and international corporations that benefit from trade agreements, outsourcing, cheap labor abroad, and practices that harm indigenous populations but bring profits. A powerful motivation for the party has been that, if they take such positions, they, like the Republicans, can get big money contributions from Wall Street.

But there is more involved here than money. The DLC seems also to share the foreign policy idea that we should be maximizing our "national interest" — our military strength, economic wealth (measured by GDP), and global political clout (presumably coming from economic and military clout). This is opposed to a foreign policy that maximizes the well-being of people, both at home and abroad.

But worst of all, the DLC has been cowed by the conservatives. They have drunk the conservative Kool-Aid. As Harold Ford intimated in his debate with Markos Moulitsas: To win you have be a hawk on foreign policy, a social conservative on abortion and gay marriage, and not raise taxes. Nonsense.

Even worse, Ford is suggesting that those in the party who don't hold those views say that they do. There's a name for someone who goes against his principles to pander for votes. It's not a nice name.

In all the commentary about that debate, an important aspect has gone without comment. Markos certainly bested Ford. But to do so, he also had to best the moderator, David Gregory, who insisted on using the conservative-tainted word "liberal." Over and over, Markos resisted Gregory's frames. Gregory was not using Markos' frames and Markos insisted on his own.

It is important to stand up to the DLC, and to the idea that there is a unitary mainstream center, that they are it, and that progressives are extremists and deserve to be marginalized.
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groovedaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 09:31 AM
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1. The DLC has used the centrist argument to support a Corporate agenda
and have actually served to drive the Democratic party away from its roots.
The most poignant example is the DLC support of corporate globalization which has served to undermine the working and middle classes, as well as labor unions.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 09:31 AM
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2. I like the DLC. Maybe I am a centrist. nt.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 05:19 PM
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22. Why am I not surprised?
You self-declared as a conservative on another thread, so you liking the DLC makes perfect sense.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 09:34 AM
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3. Well, there is a center, but it's not where the DLC says it is.
The center wants us out of Iraq.

The center wants wages to rise--a lot--to compensate for inflation.

The center wants top management to be held accountable for looting corporations while holding wages down.

The center wants the laws against hiring illegal aliens to hold wages down enforced against scumbag employers.

The center wants universal healthcare.

The center wants Stupid and Cheney impeached ASAP.

The center wants a restoration of our civil rights and our constitutional form of government.

The center wants an end to big state nannyism against the individual and a return to oversight of the powerful and corporate.

The center wants to stop wasting money on boondoggles and to make sure our infrastructure is sound again.

The center wants an end to offshoring the jobs that provide living wages in return for McJobs that must be worked in multiples to support a single worker (let alone a family).

Unfortunately, the DLC thinks all these positions belong to the left fringe.

The DLC had better get the hell out of DC and get a reality check.
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 10:27 AM
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5. So true!!!!
everything you said and especially this:

Unfortunately, the DLC thinks all these positions belong to the left fringe.

DR
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lips Donating Member (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 06:02 PM
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23. Yup
Being an conservative on foreign policy, to my mind, simply indicates that American gobal economic policy doesn't have squat to do with nations who don't want America's tainted ideas of 'mainfest' progression invovled with their ability to cultivate vibrant societies and competitors in a global market.
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 01:42 PM
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37. Absolutely Correct!
Great post!

TC


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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 10:05 AM
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4. I agree with your main point
I think it should be possible to express it even more simply.

I am not completely happy using labels like "liberal" and "progressive".

For the sake of keeping things simple, let's call ourselves "Democrats".

Now what are some of the things that define us as Democrats?

Some of the things that make us different from Conservatives / Republicans (these days Conservatives = Republicans in most cases).

As Democrats, we believe that the strong have a moral responsibility to help the weak.

The rich have a responsibility to help the poor. Taxes are the fairest way of achieving this.

It's wrong to let children suffer because their parents are poor, or because their mother is single.

As a community, as a country, we must join together to make sure all children can have a good start in life.

Getting into a good school should depend on how hard you are willing to work. Not how rich your daddy is.

Likewise, getting access to health treatment should not depend on how much money you have.

As Democrats, we believe in government by the people for the people. All the people. Not just the rich.

We believe that everyone should have the right to vote, and to have their votes counted.

We believe that there are many things that we should do together as citizens, as people.

We believe that Government - at all levels - is a way that we can organise ourselves to meet our collective needs and advance the common good. So government is not a problem to be solved, or an obstacle to be overcome. Government is a set of institutions and we are all jointly responsible for making sure that they function effectively and in the citizens' best interests.


Now, what I just wrote is not comprehensive and there are lots of issues I did not mention.

But what's most important is what it means to be a member of society and what it means to be a citizen.

On this basis, I think we should be able to build a platform that (at least) 60% of the population can support.

So I agree it's wrong to say that mainstream Democrats are somehow disconnected from Mainstreet America.

As Americans and as Democrats our message must be "We Are The Majority! Listen To Us!" B-)
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 02:05 PM
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7. LOL! A big wave of anti-centrist posts on DU 'cause Clinton and Warner are kicking ass!
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 02:11 PM
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8. Yes, I'm sure that's exactly the reason
:rofl:

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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 02:13 PM
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10. it's a pattern on DU
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 02:14 PM
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11. Yes, your view on that is widely known n/t
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 02:27 PM
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13. and now it's ever MORE widely known.
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 02:37 PM
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17. It's viral!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 04:33 PM
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 06:37 PM
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25. no, centrist.
I know nuance gets lost on the fringes.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 07:21 PM
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 04:29 PM
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20. Trying to be all things to all people
is working now. But will it work in fourteen months? We'll see.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 06:39 PM
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26. you're misrepresenting what it is.
It really is possible to hold some liberal views and some conservative views. And it really is possible to bridge some gaps in those with viable third options.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 02:03 AM
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30. Many of us are really having problems determining what
Hillary stands for. And that's a serious flaw. Right now she's polling high because of name recognition and the fact that no one is really paying attention. And, frankly, a bit of nostalgia for the good old days.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 04:58 AM
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33. but many of us are not
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 02:12 PM
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9. Centrism has worked for corporations -- not the people.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 02:27 PM
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12. I have never met or seen an individual who is
"centrist". What is the "centrist" position on abortion? What is the "centrist" position on the war? How about capital punishment?
slavery?
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 04:23 AM
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31. Well put!
Centrists would have been arguing for a gradual approach to the abolition of slavery.

They would have said it's the only way we can attract swing voters in the south.

As a first step - all slaves get one day off each week.

Don't ask them about when we get to take the second step! ;-)
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 07:09 AM
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35. Then you missed an important point of the article.
People surely can,and do, hold views that are all over the map.Have you never known anyone who was ,lets say, pro choice AND supported the death penalty? How about pro union and pro gun rights (come to Michigan,they exist in droves)? Call them "centrist or god forbid"moderates" to your hearts content.But to imagine that most people are inspired to vote based on any pure ideological vision is naive. Most people vote for the candidate that comes closest to their own views. There's nothing complicated about it. Centrist or moderate does not mean one only halfway supports anything,it means exactly what the article states,you can't pigeonhole people according to rigid political ideals.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 01:10 PM
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36. Maybe you should reread it
Lakoff- "It is important to stand up to the DLC, and to the idea that there is a unitary mainstream center, that they are it, and that progressives are extremists and deserve to be marginalized."

Get rid of the term centrist.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 02:28 PM
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14. Then no White House. NT
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 02:31 PM
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15. Hey Goober -
When's the last time a liberal was elected president?
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 02:35 PM
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16. I can answer that --- Never.
Some Presidents have moved left after their election (Johnson, for example) but none who have run as a liberal or who were painted as such have won the presidency.

No, sorry, not FDR.

No, sorry, not JFK.
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KaptBunnyPants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 06:31 PM
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24. According to Republicans, 1996. I'd say 2004.
Yes, I know, Clinton is DLC, therefore for now and ever more we should only run DLC candidates. Even though candidates are running away from that organization as hard as they can, surely Bill Clinton's victories in 1992 and 1996 were solely attributable to his membership in the DLC, a wonky organization most Americans have never heard of. After all, he was considered so right wing that only 52% of Americans viewed him as a liberal. Hillary is similarly known to be a hard conservative, with only 55% of the public considering her a liberal. Clearly, no person who is considered a liberal by the public can ever be president.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/bill_clinton_leaning_to_the_left
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 06:50 PM
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27. hmm
Yes, I know, Clinton is DLC, therefore for now and ever more we should only run DLC candidates.

No one has ever said or implied that. Perhaps you're mistaking the basic right for any candidate to run and put forth and agenda, and the basic right for people to choose that candidate. :shrug:

Even though candidates are running away from that organization as hard as they can

Like who? Are you referring to the weekend of the DLC meeting and the KOS convention? If so, that doesn't mean what you're saying. The DLC meets every year and the don't always have presidential candidates there. But they always have them, or the nominee, in an election year. The candidate going to the KOS convention was a way to jockey for position.

surely Bill Clinton's victories in 1992 and 1996 were solely attributable to his membership in the DLC, a wonky organization most Americans have never heard of.

Well, you're half right. Most Americans have never heard of the DLC. But they liked the DLC policies Clinton ran in in '92 - Welfare reform, tough crime measures, etc.

After all, he was considered so right wing that only 52% of Americans viewed him as a liberal. Hillary is similarly known to be a hard conservative, with only 55% of the public considering her a liberal. Clearly, no person who is considered a liberal by the public can ever be president.

Surely you realize that the Republican definition of liberal and the American public's definition of liberal are far and away from what is considered "liberal" on the netroots.


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TygrBright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 02:52 PM
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18. Walks like a duck, sounds like a duck... n/t
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 04:24 PM
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19. K&R!!
The only problem I have wth the OP is the assumption that the DLC is trying to win elections. It doesn't seem like that to me, but it is also a logical fallacy to ascribe motivations without evidence. However, I am toying with the idea that the DLC likes losing elections for Democrats. Very little else explains their repeated failed strategies in the face of opposite polling data.

Anyone notice the irony of being told how to win an election as a Democrat from the likes of Ford who lost his election?
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 07:24 PM
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29. K&R



Where is "The Center"?
Here is what the MAJORITY of Americans (Democrats AND Republicans) want from OUR government!

In recent polls by the Pew Research Group, the Opinion Research Corporation, the Wall Street Journal, and CBS News, the American majority has made clear how it feels. Look at how the majority feels about some of the issues that you'd think would be gospel to a real Democratic Party:

1. 65 percent (of ALL Americans, Democrats AND Republicans) say the government should guarantee health insurance for everyone -- even if it means raising taxes.

2. 86 percent favor raising the minimum wage (including 79 percent of selfdescribed "social conservatives").

3. 60 percent favor repealing either all of Bush's tax cuts or at least those cuts that went to the rich.

4. 66 percent would reduce the deficit not by cutting domestic spending but by reducing Pentagon spending or raising taxes.

5. 77 percent believe the country should do "whatever it takes" to protect the environment.

6. 87 percent think big oil corporations are gouging consumers, and 80 percent (including 76 percent of Republicans) would support a windfall profits tax on the oil giants if the revenues went for more research on alternative fuels.

7. 69 percent agree that corporate offshoring of jobs is bad for the U.S. economy (78 percent of "disaffected" voters think this), and only 22% believe offshoring is good because "it keeps costs down."


http://alternet.org/wiretap/29788/

8. Over 63% oppose the War on the Iraqi People.

9. 92% of ALL Americans support TRANSPARENT, VERIFIABLE elections!
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 04:39 AM
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32. Excellent points and image!

I love Jim Hightower's book "There's Nothing in the Middle of the Road but Yellow Stripes and Dead Armadillos." The title says it all but it's a good book, too.

It's a bad idea to say you're a liberal nowdays because the GOP has made that word mean Godless atheist socialist commie pinko, etc. Of course liberal actually means generous. . .

Progressive is a better word to use today. I think most people hold progressive positions and conservative ones. The thing is to show them where we agree, not where we differ, as the OP said.
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 05:14 AM
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34. k+r
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