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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 09:43 AM
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NBC/WSJ Poll: Hillary extending her lead over republican candidates in GE matchups
Clinton 49
Giuliani 42

Clinton 50
Thompson 41

Clinton 51
Romney 38

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/wsj070912_sept07-poll.pdf
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 09:47 AM
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1. Murdoch's WSJ
Less trustworthy now than the Moonie Times. Please stick to slightly more trustworthy polls.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 01:44 PM
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5. Please give us a list of the one's "you" consider trustworthy.
I promise you I will do the research and post the polls for you. Deal?
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NewHampster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 04:23 PM
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19. Real Clear is the best
They don't poll they just bring them together and average.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/

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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 04:37 AM
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15. Peter Hart Who Was One Of The Conductors Of The Poll Has Been A Trusted Democrat His Entire Life
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 04:21 PM
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18. It suggest to me
They very seriously want to get out a positive spin at this time. This is a frame a Dem pollster must do to build up and measure the real strength of a candidate. At this time, the status of the campaign itself pushes against the negatives and is something a Dem would naturally love to keep building on. Such is the stuff of internal polls and you can trust them for that. Everyone has their reasons and this bi-partisanship on a sensitive flaw in the big picture campaign seems neutral territory for any agenda. When one is being had, it is not about guilt by association or objectivity by "balance", it is about the truth. The separate creature that this poll result becomes, to me is not a thing of beauty.

Call me a curmudgeon, one who dislikes all private polls, Hart's being obviously pro-actively Dem. This kind of spin relies on the objectivity of GOP polls having no objection at all to a Hillary campaign. In fact so much objectivity that showing, or building, a little more apparent strength at this time is no problem at all. In my twisted world using a positive Dem pollster at this time would be exactly what the doctor ordered. It does help to reinforce my first opinion that Hillary indeed is scoring better on this front. The numbers are likely fairly reliable. The use and interpretation is fairly modest. And I think anything the WSJ includes in its game still stinks, even if they really were themselves getting on the bandwagon. My own modest, biased take is that the numbers themselves are based, in some part, on unspotted frontrunner status and being made to feel Hillary is already sitting in office with also nothing much bad happening.

I think I, and anyone else I know, would like to actually see more persuasive campaigning to win over the lump of negativity stuck in the public's craw.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 09:49 AM
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2. That is good news.
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BanzaiBonnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 09:54 AM
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3. Hillary is the best Republican candidate ever?
What's the point of this conjecture? No Republcan has a chance of winning the presidency (unless they rig the vote again, which they are trying)

So let's choose the best candidate possible--- Kucinich or Edwards
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 01:45 PM
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6. Oy vey.
:eyes:

People that posts comments like that on a public board for all to see show what they look like, and it is not flattering.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 01:48 PM
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8. you're naive.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 09:29 PM
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12. Are you aware that Hillary votes with the democratic majority 93% of the time AND
has a more progressive voting record than any of the other leading candidates? How does that make her a Republican?
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 04:45 AM
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17. How Did The Best Republican Candidate Ever Got A 95% Americans For Democratic Action Rating?
Edited on Fri Sep-14-07 04:45 AM by DemocratSinceBirth
http://www.adaction.org/2006Senatevr.htm


She's a genius... She thinks left... Votes left (almost all the time)...Talks centrist and wins elections...
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 01:28 PM
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4. Keep it up Sen. Clinton
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 02:05 PM
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10. I second that emotion
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 01:47 PM
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7. Great news!
Although not unexpected. :)
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 09:50 PM
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14. Is there a donation hat for this puppet show?
:shrug:
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 04:23 AM
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24. There's Still Room In The Tent But Not Much
Edited on Sat Sep-15-07 04:24 AM by DemocratSinceBirth
As Lyndon Johnson said we rather have you in "the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in."
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 01:49 PM
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9. Rec #5! Off to the greatest page ya go.
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 09:27 PM
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11. Good news
I woud rather it be Kucinich or Gore, or even Edwards or Obama (I have a hunch though that Obama might just end up being the VP), but man, I'll take the Republican defeats any way I can get 'em!
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laugle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 06:15 PM
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20. And just what do you think
qualifies BO to be the next VP? I think Edwards has a much better chance, and would be able to win in 2016!
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 09:02 PM
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21. I never said qualifies
I said I have a hunch will be. Call it intuition, it wasn't saying I overwhelmingly supported this idea. I would be happy with Edwards too, I just don't think it will be him.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 10:09 PM
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22. I doubt it will be either of them. They won't bring to the ticket what she needs.
She'll already have the base. She will need to address her perceived weaknesses, and places where the Republicans wiill try to attack. Clark is a likely possibility.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 09:48 PM
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13. GE Matchups?
Edited on Thu Sep-13-07 09:49 PM by Capn Sunshine
THAT I can believe. Matchups created by General Electric, parent of NBC and proud advertiser ( quick, what do they sell?) in the WSJ. I can see Hill coming out ahead on those. They signed on early with the Hillary is inevitable thing. Even Larry Kudlow (CNBC neocon supply sider) loves her.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 04:41 AM
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16. Peter Hart Who Was One Of The Conductors Of The Poll Has Been A Trusted Democrat His Entire Life
http://www.hartresearch.com/about/political.html

You will have to try harder...
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 03:52 AM
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23. Crickets
...
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