My dream ticket: OBAMA/BIDEN (in that order). With them as a team, we'd get:

[hisownpetard]

all the great attributes that make Obama so exciting - a fresh start, energy, idealism, great
intelligence (remember that?), good character, inspiration, dignity, personal integrity, determination
and, yes, a feeling we have long since lost sight of: hope.

From Biden, we'd get someone who knows the ropes, a negotiator who knows the ins and outs of Washington.
He'd bring experience, contacts, concrete thinking, hard work and... gratitude!

Sounds perfect to me!

[Colobo]

1. Sounds great!

[FrenchieCat]

2. 2 senators on the ticket, one a IWR voter is suicide!

Let Obama have a ticket free of the IWR vote. Let him be able to campaign and argue that good judgement is what the White House now requires during the General Election.

I wouldn't mind a Obama/Clark ticket! No IWR votes, one war winning General from the South, and We'd be set to go.

[superkia]

105. Dont forget Kucinich has been against the war all along!

[hisownpetard]

107. There are lots of things about Kucinich that I like, and that is one of them.

But I just can't see him being President or VP.

[superkia]

111. Just close your eyes and listen to him speak.

Then do the same with all the candidates and you will notice that he is very direct in what he says, while the others will dance around issues and wont be so direct. Try it and then maybe we can see who stands for what. I'm tired of the typical politicians running our country into the ground and if I have to look outside the box for growth I will. I went to a workshop once at one of the companies that I worked for and they pointed out that you will never grow if you stay in your comfort zone, you must think outside the box or you will always end up with the same results. America needs to think outside the box for once and help get the country back on track.

[hisownpetard]

114. I know what you're saying, which is a comment mostly about how our perceptions

are skewed in many ways, in proportion to our concept of "beauty."

But, if I close my eyes and listen - Obama wins, ten times over.

[ShortnFiery]

3. I would support that ticket in a heartbeat.

I respect Biden's diplomacy and, for that, he's make an excellent VP.

[lurky]

4. Didn't Biden say some really stupid things about Obama?

Something about being articulate and bathing everyday? I wonder if they could overcome that...

[gorekerrydreamticket]

46. What he said was...

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy," Biden said. "I mean, that's a storybook, man."

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/31/biden.obama/

[hisownpetard]

80. It was stupid, but not mean-spirited. I think he truly likes and admires Obama.

[wyldwolf]

50. no, people on the left just (purposely?) misinterpreted it.

[hisownpetard]

109. Yes, he did. In fact, I've objected to that in posts, and to Biden's mentioning

that he and Obama got tested for Aids (because it's not Biden's place to mention anything at all
related to someone else's medical care, even if it's about a hangnail).

I was annoyed by it, although Obama wasn't (or didn't seem to be). He handled it with great
good humor.

I think Biden does come out with some dumb things, at times, but they're usually just dumb and never (that
I know of) malicious or mean. He can overcome that tendency, I'm pretty sure.

[democrat2thecore]

121. I think it makes him more of a real person - less scripted -nt

[TwilightGardener]

5. They can't stand each other. Could never work. Dana Milbank said

in WaPo that Biden conspicuously, deliberately read a newspaper during Obama's questioning of Petraeus. Uh-uh.

[Colobo]

9. Biden is a very intelligent man, but he is an arrogant asshole.

[ShortnFiery]

12. True, with all that intelligence, it's a shame that Biden lacks common sense

to reighn in his ego. Plus, he talks too much. :blush: But yes, what a waste because he is highly intelligent. :(

[hisownpetard]

93. I really think he's reigned in his long-windedness bec. he's been told about it

ad nauseum. That's why it was so funny when, in one of the debates, he was asked
a very long question and his answer, in toto, was "Yes." Got a big laugh on that one.

[hisownpetard]

15. Therefore, being Vice Pres. would be the perfect antidote and would make him

a better person. A good deed, all around.

[Debi]

84. This you know from your long-standing personal relationship with him? n/t

[jillan]

117. Maybe you should look at your candidate before calling another

candidate an arrogant asshole.

You can start with the Petreaus hearings when he whined that he didn't get enough time.
poor baby!
The next day the press was all about how he spent the first few minutes campaigning and
then asked the same question that was already asked.

[murbley40]

122. And

most of the time he can't be bothered to mingle with his supporters. It doesn't matter how busy he thinks he is ,he should take time after events to go among the people.

[BeyondGeography]

10. Hadn't heard that one

Juvenile Joe.

[hisownpetard]

14. Remember when McCain hated Bush? Biden would fall precipitously into love

with Obama to become VP.n And, actually, I think if anyone was ever made to be
a Vice President, it's Biden. (A left-handed compliment, perhaps, but true).

[sandnsea]

22. lol, I think that's funny

come on, that's just presidential psychological gamesmanship. I don't believe half of this stuff that I read about these supposed animosities.

[hisownpetard]

34. Remember when Bush called McCain - who spent 8 years as a POW - 'unpatriotic'?

They were bitter, bitter enemies. Next thing you know, McCain becomes Bush's agent,
agreeing up and down and slapping him on the back. Politics - yecccchhh!

[hisownpetard]

37. That would be just plain rude - unless Biden was looking for something a propos

what was being discussed at the hearing, which is a possibility.

[grasswire]

6. maybe I haven't listened to Obama enough....

...but when you attach all those alleged attributes to him, I have a huge disconnect. I honestly don't connect him with any of that. Exciting, no. Idealism, perhaps, but how does that serve us at this moment? Great intelligence? I don't see anything exceptional compared to Biden and Kucinich. Dignity? Stinky and sweaty? Personal integrity? I have no idea. How would we measure that in a relative newcomer? Hope? Not for me.

Sorry. I just don't get it. And I don't have a candidate.

[Colobo]

11. Start here:

www.barackobama.com and if you have time read "The Audacity of Hope".

[hisownpetard]

17. Really? Did you hear the speech he gave at the last Dem. Convention - the one

that made such an impression on people (including me), that inspired in the way
that JFK and MLK and RFK did, back before we were all so politically jaded?

[grasswire]

23. you know, I must be too jaded to care.

There isn't a candidate in the race that I would WANT to listen to at this point. I'm telling you my reaction to Obama for your anecdotal info. I don't want to spend time on any politician who seems packaged. I have NO time for platitudes and promises. And the idea of "hope" means nothing, really, unless the candidate can have coattails that will bring a supermajority in Congress. If it's any comfort, I'm less interested in Clinton.

What does Obama have to say about restoration of the Constitution?

[hisownpetard]

26. Funny - I think Obama is the perfect antidote for what you're feeling. He is SO not pre-packaged;

in fact, he's the antithesis of that. So if you come across a couple of extra minutes
in your day, I don't think you'd regret listening to one of his speeches. You might
even be able to shake off some of that jadedness. It worked for me!

Hope you feel better soon.

[JanusAscending]

21. Does not your" sweat stink "?

That's just about the stupidest thing I've heard reporters of Chris Matthews "ilk" spew about Barack. Didn't think we progressives would get that "petty"???!!!!! :shrug:

[BeyondGeography]

7. Biden is the anti-outsider...a more creative pick is needed for Obama

As for who, I don't know...I can't get Wes Clark out of my head, though.

[hisownpetard]

18. Doesn't seem like there's any chance Clark will run, though, right? n/t

[BeyondGeography]

29. Not for the nom; he'd take VP though

and he'd be an inspired choice. A good match with Obama, too. It would be the All Sincerity ticket...I would quit my job and kill for them.

[hisownpetard]

39. Wow, what a ringing endorsement! Actually, though, if you killed for them, you

probably wouldn't have to bother quitting your job...

Edit:took out an extra 'actually'

[hisownpetard]

96. Been thinking about this and must admit, Obama/Clark would be a great ticket, as well.

I think they complement each other's talents. Very honorable men, both.

Ed:sp

[illinoisprogressive]

8. It would be fun but, I don't think Biden likes Obama much

[hisownpetard]

19. I think he'd change in a heartbeat if he could be VP. After all, he didn't

have his teeth whitened for nothing!!

[whistle]

13. And we would get advisers and cabinet people to get government

...which has been broken back to working again. There would be a quantum drop in the cronyism.

[hisownpetard]

20. What a wonderful world!

[ginchinchili]

16. Obama Won't Be Elected President

Maybe Biden/Obama, but if Obama gets the Democratic nomination, you're liable to get Rudy Giuliani, Mr. 9/11, repeating over and over again "inexperienced" and "9/11." Giuliani would win the election. Fear works. Biden is the best remedy. He's got the experience and knowledge, and he can be quite intimidating when he wants to be. He the one to go toe to toe with Giuliani. Obama made a mistake by not waiting until 2012. He really does need more experience.

[JanusAscending]

24. Why ????

It only took one "experienced moran" to get us into this mess!!! I truly believe that BRAINS are better for America than BRAWN and experience!!!

[PatSeg]

33. Yeah, but Bush didn't have any experience

that prepared in for the presidency. He knew nothing about foreign affairs and was too stubborn to listen to those who did.

[ginchinchili]

118. Bush was inexperienced. Bad example for making your point

Using Bush as an example only strengthens my point. Bush didn't have much experience either. He hadn't done anything worth mentioning before he became governor and was a poor governor with a father who is an ex-president to lean on, i.e., as well connected as anyone in politics can be to help him through. And look what kind of president he turned out to be. He simply can't handle it. Obama would do a better job than Bush--Homer Simpson would do a better job than Bush--but he hasn't seriously had his feet held to the fire yet and his republican opponent will constantly, incessantly, endlessly remind America of that fact. He should have waited until the next presidential election, then he would have a good chance, and maybe still will. But we can't afford to sacrifice this election so that Sen. Obama can get his feet wet and practice for the next one.

But all of that is beside the point. The real problem with his candidacy is that he's not electable, primarily because of his lack of experience, and let's not pretend that being black makes no difference. I am not one who believes that this country will not elected a black president, but it is still a big hurdle, and with Obama lacking in experience, Giuliani will have an easy time making the case to an electorate that still leans to the right that he can keep the country safer than the inexperienced black guy. You may wince at reading that, but that's how the average American will see it. You can't just run a candidate because he or she is smart and you like them. If the Democrats fail again to correctly read the political mindset of the typical American, we are doomed to lose the election. It's like a chess game and Karl Rove is your opponent, and he's just praying that Obama or Hillary win the nomination, because he understands the American electorate and he knows he can beat them.

[PatSeg]

30. My son suggested such a ticket a few weeks ago

and he said, "Then we could call them JoeBama."

I think Obama/Biden would be bad choice though. Biden tends to be bigger than life and would overshadow Obama. Traditionally the VP is either less experienced or a lower-key personality. The presidential candidate has to be dominant.

[hisownpetard]

95. Funny sonny. n/t

[Colobo]

35. So he needs more experience? Make your case.

[Ethelk2044]

48. Obama will be elected President. Giuliani is having issues with 911

because he had several fuc_ ups. The fireman came out against him.

[hisownpetard]

83. Not to mention his own daughter and the artist who painted the virgin Mary out of elephant dung.

[hisownpetard]

62. Giuliani will not be elected President. The shape of his head is too irregular.

[milord]

113. disqualifications for president

and Biden is out because of his hairplugs--and the egomaniacal attitude needed to go through such silliness.

[daninthemoon]

25. I like it, but could go for the opposite order just as well.

[gateley]

28. I vote for Biden/Obama. When all these people started announcing, I fully

expected to go ga-ga over Obama from what I'd heard. Didn't even give Biden a thought. But as time progresses and I see more of the candidates, Obama's inexperience becomes more obvious -- and therefore worrisome -- to me. I think we need a seasoned hand in the WH, and I think Obama would do well to get his chops as VP and have an excellent chance of winning WH next time around.

[PatSeg]

32. Oops, I just said something similar

I don't dislike Obama. I am just not terribly impressed right now. A few more years in public office, such as VP, and I think he might be an excellent choice.

[Colobo]

38. I don't see Obama's inexperience. Can you expand on that?

It's a nice claim to make against someone, but it would be nice if you could back it up.

[gateley]

40. I'll rephrase that...

Obama SEEMS inexperienced to me. In his appearances, it's just a gut feeling I get. He hasn't been knocked around a lot -- hasn't toughened his skin enough. Again, that's my impression. And just the lack of years under his belt compared to some of the other candidates. As I said, I thought I'd be All Obama All The Time because I felt we need to rock this country and get a fresh new voice in there, one who HADN'T been jaded by being around the block again and again. But I just FEEL he's not the best choice at this time.

People can show me statistic after statistic, and regardless of what the stats show, I gotta follow my gut.

[PatSeg]

55. I have to agree with you

and being I don't want to just use my "gut", I've thought about it a great deal. In the debates, he seems to lack confidence and certainty, something I really need in a president right now.

I think those traits will come to him, but they are usually born of experience.

[hisownpetard]

82. I respect your opinion but have a different take on this. To me, it's an undiluted pleasure

when a question is posed to Obama and you can see him actually take time to THINK ABOUT his answer.
All the politicians I've ever seen are so damn programmed and rehearsed that there isn't a question you can ask them
where they haven't already practiced a response. Obama, on the other hand, does not do that and truly puts thought
into each answer at the time it is asked.

Yes, Yes, Yes!!!!!

[countmyvote4real]

43. Biden = F. Thompson

Years of Meet the Press, etc. interviews = phoney balognie "Law and Order" repeat episodes.

One was posed in reality. One was posed in fiction. And both are equally false.

[Inuca]

67. What an unbelievably ridiculous statement! n/t

[PatSeg]

31. And the VP has to be younger

so he could run in eight years. Obama would be able to gain more experience and gravitas in eight years.

[hisownpetard]

63. No! Think "New Rules." The VP doesn't have to be younger. In this particular equation,

his familiarity with the (formerly) smoky backrooms of politics will enable him to
provide context for our younger President Obama, who will temper Joe's experience
with his own integrity and come up with new approaches to old ideas!

[countmyvote4real]

27. I don't think so. Biden is not good on domestic issues.

He voted for the bankruptcy bill because he is beholden to the credit card banks in Delaware and their contributions to his political career.

Sorry. Biden does not work for me in any office. On second thought, I'd like to see him as a postal worker.

[gateley]

36. I've heard that charge before. I know he voted for the bill, but is there

evidence that it was of his ties with the credit card banks?

[countmyvote4real]

41. Duh? Regardless of any ties, it was a bad decision.

Why on earth would he vote for that legislation if he were not funded to do so? Are you paid to post these counter arguments? (Sorry. I had to ask.)

[gateley]

42. Yeah, but a bad decision doesn't mean he was in bed with the banks.

I'm not paid to post these "arguments", but much maligned for expressing my views.

I'm a Biden supporter and I feel he has a lot of integrity. Whatever his reasons were (I've not researched them) I tend to believe he felt he was making the right choice. If it had been because he'd essentially knuckled under, I'd have to reassess my view of him. I've never heard any other such charges directed at him, so I wonder if it's actually true, or if it's just the line of those who disagree with his vote. (I disagree with it too, by the way.)

Thanks for the respectful response.

[PatSeg]

44. The impression I have gotten

is he was not necessarily supporting the banks, he was supporting his constituency who rely heavily on the credit card industry, just like a senator from Iowa supports corn-related industries or Arkansas would support Walmart. Many of differences we see in senators has to do with the states they represent.

[gateley]

45. Oh, you mean he may have been listening to the people who voted for him

to represent their desires? Well he certainly should be discredited for that.

[PatSeg]

51. People need a realty check here

Would they vote for a senator who did not represent them and their interests? Montana voted for a senator who is pro-gun rights. His stand on the issue is going to differ dramatically from a senator from New York where gun violence is a serious issue.

[hisownpetard]

90. Ooo - I love realty checks. Got any property you wanna sell? n/t

[PatSeg]

119. Nope, but I got a wobbly "i" finger!

[hisownpetard]

92. What a bizarre idea! Where'd he get that from??

[daninthemoon]

52. Terrible, terrible vote. What I don't know is how Hil and the others voted.

Any info on that?

[Debi]

87. Clinton didn't vote - Obama voted nay - Dodd voted nay

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00044

It may not matter to folks but the other Democratic Senator from Delaware also voted for it - a vote to support their constituency.

[bunkerbuster1]

49. Nah, make Biden Secretary of State.

Think of the fun we'll have!

[hisownpetard]

53. IS THERE such a position? Who holds it now? I'm drawing a blank -

[PatSeg]

54. Yeah, whatever happened to our current SOS???

Haven't seen much of her in a long time!

[hisownpetard]

59. I think Bush left her in Iraq. She was shopping for a new pair of shoes but

couldn't find any in her size, and the plane was ready to leave, and...

[PatSeg]

64. And there are some great deals in those Baghdad markets

She can pick up some rugs while she's there!

[hisownpetard]

61. Actually, I think she's trying to stay out of the country or in an undisclosed location until

the current committee hearings are over and out. She is basically useless as Secy. of State.
What a shame. (And what a sham).

[PatSeg]

65. She should have stayed with her aspirations

to become a concert pianist. She has no credibility in foreign affairs.

[hisownpetard]

70. Right. As it is, she's playing the piano of foreign affairs, and no sounds is coming out.

[PatSeg]

71. Oh, I hear occasional "sounds"

But they are all off key!

Maybe she could "skate" her way through foreign affairs!

[hisownpetard]

75. The sounds you hear are just gas. Must've had some of Bush's frank&beans.

[PatSeg]

76. Oh, that's what that smell is

whenever she is on TV.

[bunkerbuster1]

68. Hint: She likes pricey shoes and Spam-a-lot...

[hisownpetard]

78. They have a PayLess there, and if you take your father shopping with you,

you can say, "You get a free bag, Dad!"

[hisownpetard]

91. Postal worker won't work. He can't wear the hat, 'cause his hair plugs need air.

[Debi]

101. How exactly does you post add anything meaningful to this duscussion? n/t

[hisownpetard]

103. Just a smile? n/t

[Dinger]

47. My Dream Ticket HasTo Have Wes Clark In It, Period

I ain't budgin'.

[ripple]

56. Obama/Clark is my dream ticket n/t

[redqueen]

57. My dream ticket: Edwards / Kucinich

:bounce:

[hisownpetard]

99. Won't work. The rules dictate that the Pres. and VP must have a combined total height of 11'8" -

so I think they'd be a couple feet short.

[truebrit71]

58. Pardon me while I go and throw up...

Biden? MBNA Biden? Bankruptcy Bill Biden?

:puke:

[hisownpetard]

94. Yes, but you must admit, he does have a dazzling smile, does he not?

[Stop Cornyn]

60. My dreams do not include Joe Biden.

[watercolors]

66. mine, Biden/Obama

nt

[PatSeg]

72. Or Biden/Clark

There are many Democrats that come to mind. We have so many good people to choose from. We should be thinking of VP as future president.

[hisownpetard]

77. I don't think Obama would go for 2nd place. I think he'd rather wait for another election and keep

working in the Congress till then.

[Name removed]

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[jefferson_dem]

73. How do the corporations get the big bucks to him, as he's holed up in the dusty old cave...

along the Pak-Afghan border? :shrug:

[hisownpetard]

79. You funny!

[PatSeg]

74. Did you mean Obama?

[hisownpetard]

102. I must be missing something here. Do you think that misspelling was intentional?

[Debi]

88. Do you mean Obama?

Disgusting comment.

[Colobo]

97. I already alerted the mods.

[Debi]

98. I did as well

There is no room on this board for that kind of hate speech.

[jillan]

81. I doubt it - in either combination.

[hisownpetard]

85. Why? Who do you think might be on the winning ticket?

[jillan]

86. Biden/Edwards

That would be my dream ticket right now.

Edwards is as passionate about domestic issues as Biden is about foreign affairs.

Altho, I sincerely doubt that Edwards would go for #2 again.

[PatSeg]

89. I doubt it too

And can't blame him. I like someone's suggestion as Atty General though.

[hisownpetard]

100. My first flame war! And I just noticed that this thread has gotten 4 rec's. How many

are required for it to make "greatest"?

P.S. And am I allowed to say this??

Edit:Added scared P.S.

[jillan]

104. This is for you - hisownpetard -

I love that pic.

[hisownpetard]

106. Oh, thank you so much. Looks good to me! n/t

[milord]

108. dream ticket has a problem

They make a good pair, except for Biden. The man is an absolute hypocrite. Well, you might say, what do you expect? He's a politician, and that's part of the job description. This is true, but there was a very important vote last year which he spoke about feelingly, and came out on the side of the good guys, and then voted to support Bush. I wish I could remember which issue was involved, but there were several instances like that.

[hisownpetard]

110. Welcome to DU!! From one newbie to another...

And who would your dream ticket be?

Edit: Add

[milord]

112. my dream ticket

i think the ideal ticket would be Al Gore and Obama.What do you think of that?

[hisownpetard]

115. My Lord, Milord, I think that Gore really is not going to run, or he wouldn't have said

(recently, too) that politics doesn't appeal to him anymore. If he had even an iota
of ambition in that regard, I don't think he would have said that.

I think he's really enjoying his life and the public's appreciation now and, after
what he went through with the election that was stolen from him, he just wants
to stay away from all that garbage. But, of course, he'd be awesome: the man
was already elected but never got to serve. So now he's serving our country in
an informative way.

So, if Gore is out, now who's on your dream ticket?

[milord]

120. dream ticket

well, if Gore is out,that leaves Dolly Parton and Menasha Skulnick. Ha! You thought you'd trapped me.

[themaguffin]

116. flip it, and you got a winner