OMFG!! Look what I found . . .

[0007]

Cakewalk?

"This will be no war -- there will be a fairly brief and ruthless military intervention.... The president will give an order. will be rapid, accurate and dazzling.... It will be greeted by the majority of the Iraqi people as an emancipation. And I say, bring it on."
(Christopher Hitchens, in a 1/28/03 debate-- cited in the Observer,
3/30/03)


"I will bet you the best dinner in the gaslight district of San Diego that military action will not last more than a week. Are you willing to take that wager?"
(Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly, 1/29/03)


"It won't take weeks. You know that, professor. Our military machine will crush Iraq in a matter of days and there's no question that it will."
(Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly, 2/10/03)


"There's no way. There's absolutely no way. They may bomb for a matter of weeks, try to soften them up as they did in Afghanistan. But once the United States and Britain unleash, it's maybe hours. They're going to fold like that."
(Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly, 2/10/03)


"He actually thought that he could stop us and win the debate worldwide. But he didn't--he didn't bargain on a two- or three week war. I actually thought it would be less than two weeks."
(NBC reporter Fred Francis, Chris Matthews Show, 4/13/03)


Weapons of Mass Destruction

NPR's Mara Liasson: Where there was a debate about whether or not Iraq had these weapons of mass destruction and whether we can find it...

Brit Hume: No, there wasn't. Nobody seriously argued that he didn't have them beforehand. Nobody.
(Fox News Channel, April 6, 2003) Scott Ritter doesn't count, 'eh?

[rfranklin]

1. And they still refuse to admit they were wrong...

Hitchens has come out an alcoholic haze and turned against the war because he sees some money in it. Britt Hume should be put on trial for being the Goebbels of the Bush junta.

[connecticut yankee]

2. I'd take O'Reilly up on his offer of dinner,

but sitting across from him at the table would make me throw up.

:puke: :puke: :puke:

[rasputin1952]

13. Tell him you want to do the ordering...

Then order him a Main Course of Crow flambe'...:D

[connecticut yankee]

15. I don't think I could get that far

I'd barf before the waiter showed up.

[ArbustoBuster]

25. I imagine there are a lot of bereaved parents and spouses of Iraq War dead...

...who would love to be across a small dinner table from Bill O'Reilly with a sharp steak knife.

[Cobalt-60]

36. supress the gag reflex

Rip a monstrous fart instead.

[nadinbrzezinski]

38. Actually I know the spot

in the gaslamp district, and I'd love to drive him INTO the recruiters station next

[ShortnFiery]

3. An this one of few sane voices from a General Officer

“If we think there is a fast solution to changing the governance of Iraq, then we don’t understand history, the nature of the country, the divisions, or the underneath-suppressed passions that could rise up. God help us if we think this transition will occur easily.” (General Anthony Zinni, 10/10/2002)

[hisownpetard]

21. Now there's a man who understands history. I bet he's actually read

a book or two about it.

[underpants]

4. I saw a really long list of these one time

Chris Mathews in particular was very sharp in his demands for all the anti-war crowd to apologize and admit that they were wrong. The other usual suspects were there too. This was all immediately following the staged event with the Saddam statue

[ShortnFiery]

5. Right now, Tweety is spinning like a top - insisting that "Petraeus is an honorable man"

:eyes:

[AntiFascist]

27. Are there two Tweetys? wtf n/t

[tblue37]

42. Does his evil twin have a sane twin? n/t

[calimary]

46. You mean Mr. "We're ALL neoCONS now"? The same guy who,

only as of this week, is starting to look like he just came from identifying his mother at the morgue?

They were all out there with their cheerleader outfits and their pompoms and their kneepads. It was nauseating. Heartbreaking. Shattering. And you couldn't find a single voice out there that was allowed to express hesitation, or concern, or any other view than the party line. Those who may have wanted to do so were silenced, because they knew what would and wouldn't put food on their families. :eyes:

What a disgrace. A National Disgrace. They were had. They played straight into it. Begged for it, even. They still don't know what hit them, which is why you're going to get endless hand-writing "isn't it Just Awful????" stories and exposes and think pieces and books and blah-blah-blah trying to figure out how they went so far wrong. Yeah, that and a dime will get you six minutes on a parking meter. It's just disgraceful.

The media was ABSOLUTELY in collusion. Willing participants. At fault, for this fiasco, almost as much as bush and cheney themselves. ANYONE who was in a position to stop it and willfully did not, deliberately played along, deliberately fanned the flames and screamed the rah-rah-rah for the glories of war, ANYONE in that boat deserves to sink to the bottom of the Marianas Trench. Saying they're sorry now does not bring back almost four thousand lost soldiers (that we know of). If they had even an ounce of true contrition, they'd defy Pentagon orders and start showing the body bags at Dover Air Force Base every week, AND the funerals, AND the flag-draped coffins, AND the weeping widows and fatherless children and anguished mothers. That might be a start. SPINELESS BASTARDS ALL.

No matter what you do from here on, you're very likely not going to have to meet St. Peter at the Pearly Gates with THAT on your conscience. Be grateful.

[Mnemosyne]

6. Still delusional. n/t

[peace13]

7. In my mind anyone who participated in this type of hype

in the run up to the war and anyone today who refuses to see that this war has been a huge mistake is guilty of murder and attempted theft of Iraq's national resources. How did so many of us know that this would not be a surgical operation with only a few killed or harmed. How did we know that it was wrong to steal? I give no slack to those who sold this war. To *ell with all of them.

[0007]

16. Don't ya think its time for impeachment? If a Dem did what junior

has done. He/She would be sitting in prison.

[peace13]

18. So true.

And I can't think of a good reason why the process has not been started. I would like to see Jr. and Shooter go to jail before the end of my days. Now that would be something. Peace.

[no_hypocrisy]

8. Reminds me of how the Confederates thought they could "lick the Yankees" in

weeks and still come home in time for harvest on their plantations.

In this case, I guess the pundits thought that #41 made it look so easy, Iraq was half-strength since then, and would roll over in no time for #43. They didn't figure in the "invader" resentment factor.

[tblue37]

43. It's the same "rebs" who are the base of the current Republican Party. n/t

[AtomicKitten]

9. send their kids to the slaughter --

and you'd see an abrupt about-face on that POV

[Gregorian]

10. When you ask why these idiots are on tv, you have to look at who is employing them.

My suspicion is that they aren't idiots. Although it's very hard to believe anyone could say what they said. When you know Bush's intentions, none of those statements were logical.

They work for the big corporations. And we all know there is no better business than war. There aren't any refunds. Use and dispose. Name your price. But you have to be an Orally or Hitler to want it.

I think Hitchens may be an idiot. A very intelligent idiot. But the rest knew and were lying.

I'd like to see something done with these quotes. But I don't think Keith Olberman is allowed to quote other newscasters on his show. I got that sense from something Tweety said last night about quoting being against some rule. It was just in passing.

We might give these to candidates. I just can't see how discrediting war mongers could be a bad thing. Or those who associated with them.

[valerief]

11. Yeah, they don't believe what they say. They just get paid every well to say what they do.

Kinda like a top-class call boy.

[Gregorian]

12. Like Reagan.

The GOP is a bunch of walking billboards.

I'm so tired of fighting off these pieces of friction just to try to make this country work the way is was intended to work.

Like life doesn't have enough trouble without republicans.

[rasputin1952]

14. Oddly enough...you never hear the R's talk about what

really showed bin-laden and al-Qaeda there was nor "resolve" for war in the US.....The pukllout after the bombing of the Marine Barracks in Beruit.

The initial reasoning of bin-Laden is that there is an American military presence in Saudi Arabia, but the catalyst was the Beirut bombing.

Odd....how no one on the right calls Reagan the "cut and run" president he was.

[Heywood J]

22. Hmmm...

But I don't think Keith Olberman is allowed to quote other newscasters on his show. I got that sense from something Tweety said last night about quoting being against some rule. It was just in passing.

He's got to be able to use the same license that Jon Stewart gets when he quotes media personalities and uses clips of them. The Moment of Zen, for example. Colbert used all manner of clips the day after the cocaine-and-prostitutes interview.

[slipslidingaway]

17. K&R. A collection of news stories and quotes from Oct 2002...

http://www.cursor.org/1002_archive.htm

A very small sampling.

Thursday, October 3, 2002

"Sen. Paul Wellstone says that he will vote against any plan to allow the U.S. to launch unilateral strikes against Iraq. As for how that might impact his reelection chances, Wellstone told staffers that "We'll just let the chips fall where they may."


Monday, October 7, 2002

"USA Today founder Al Neuharth asks: Why so hell-bent on war?

More than 1.5 million Italians protest a possible war with Iraq.

Los Angeles Times' columnist Steve Lopez says that he's proud to have been called an idiot by the Wall Street Journal for questioning the rush to war with Iraq."



Wednesday, October 9, 2002

"After reading "The National Security Strategy of the United States," The New Yorker's Hendrik Hertzberg concludes that "The Bush vision is in the end a profoundly pessimistic one, and, as such, more than a little un-American. It is, among other things, a vision of perpetual war."


Friday, October 11, 2002

"The Bush campaign for war against Iraq has been insulting to American citizens," writes Michael Kinsley, "not just because it has been dishonest, but because it has been unserious. A serious and respectful effort to rally the citizenry would offer the real reasons, would base the conclusion on the evidence rather than vice versa, would admit to the ambiguities and uncertainties, would be frank about the potential cost."

[0007]

23. I indeed believe if Senator Paul Wellstone were alive there may had not

been an Iraq invasion.

[slipslidingaway]

24. That would have been nice, this mess will haunt our nation and

our children for years.

[0007]

30. I believe that's why we have to empeach the mothers! n/t

[Eric J in MN]

34. Janeane Garofalo said before the war that there was no proof that Iraq had wmd. NT

NT

[coco77]

19. This is what makes me so angry with the Dems and the media...

they have so many statements made by the CONS on the run up to the war and they don't even use it, in ads.

[coco77]

20. Got anything on Chris Matthews?

[UpInArms]

26. k & r

hey, 0007, have I told you that you're one of my favorite DUers ever?

Well, confession time - you are.

:loveya:

[0007]

47. We've been hanging out here a long time, 'eh? Thank you for the nice

compliment.

[flyarm]

28. OLIELY ALSO SAID HE WOULD RESIGN IF WMD WEREN'T FOUND BY LATE MAY 2003 THEN

he moved it bsck to june..and he still didn't resign..maybe you can find those quotes..i would look but getting rrady to go away..early am..

but he made a big deal about the fact that he would resign if wmd weren't found by may and then june 2003...

fly

[tblue37]

44. I think he sid he'd *apologize*--and at one point he did aim a brief, half-assed

"apology" in the direction of a camera, but soon moved past that and returned to his standard attack routine.

[gateley]

29. K&R nt

[Roland99]

31. What about Wolfowitz saying Iraq oil would pay for reconstruction.. or...

Murdoch saying invading Iraq would lead to $20/bbl oil.

[Iwillnevergiveup]

32. BILLO'S DEMOGRAPHIC

is people in their 70's and 80's. If I am not senile at that age, sure hope he is long gone.: eyes:

[LSK]

33. If we were going to go thru them so easily, HOW WERE THEY A THREAT??????

On one hand our military is so great, we would win the war in a day, but on the other hand they were such a threat that we had to take them out????

:wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf:

[Doc Martin]

35. Chris Matthews

Do you recall Chris Matthews' comments on Codpiece Day?

[0007]

48. I sure do! And it was enough to piss me off. I think he was in love

at the time.

[unblock]

37. shrub on "nation building": don't vote gore cuz i'm gonna do, uh, what you should be afraid he'll do

http://zfacts.com/p/136.html

I'm worried about an opponent who uses nation building and the military in the same sentence.
Nov. 6, 2000George W. Bush
Let me tell you what else I'm worried about: I'm worried about an opponent who uses nation building and the military in the same sentence. See, our view of the military is for our military to be properly prepared to fight and win war and, therefore, prevent war from happening in the first place. (more)

I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's called nation building.
Oct. 11, 2000George W. Bush
Somalia. It started off as a humanitarian mission then changed into a nation-building mission and that's where the mission went wrong. The mission was changed. And as a result, our nation paid a price, and so I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's called nation building. I think our troops ought to be used to fight and win war. I think our troops ought to be used to help overthrow a dictator when it's in our best interests. But in this case, it was a nation-building exercise. And same with Haiti. I wouldn't have supported either. (more)

A nation-building corps from America. Absolutely not.
Oct. 11, 2000George W. Bush
I think what we need to do is convince people who live in the lands they live in to build the nations. Maybe I'm missing something here. I mean we're going to have kind of a nation-building corps from America. Absolutely not. Our military is meant to fight and win war. That's what it's meant to do and when it gets overextended, morale drops. (more)

He believes in nation building. I would be very careful ...
Oct. 4, 2000George W. Bush (Presidential debate, Oct. 4, 2000)
I think we've got to be very careful when we commit our troops. The vice president and I have a disagreement about the use of troops. He believes in national building. I would be very careful about using our troops as nation builders. (more)

[SeattleVet]

39. And now we are in the 9th month of the 6-month 'surge'.

B* is calling a fallback to pre-surge troop levels a reduction.

Lewis Carrol would be proud that the lessons he wrote of about the usage of language in "Alice in Wonderland" are being so widely used within government.

[banana republican]

40. Up.... Only 2 weeks of WAR....nt

[tblue37]

41. The "war" (read *illegal invasion*) actually was about 3 weeks long. But the occupation

is set up to go on forever.

[Perry Logan]

45. Here's a blast from the past: Reaganomics was supposed to pay off the deficit.