Screw the polls, now I KNOW Hillary's Presidency is inevitable...

[renie408]

I just had a conversation with a friend of mine. She is a forty-something mom of two who has always staunchly supported the GOP. I mean it, STAUNCHLY supported the GOP. Out of the clear blue sky she said, "I know we have disagreed in the past on political stuff, but I wanted to tell you that I have really been thinking about the next election. I have changed my voter registration to Independent and I think I have found a candidate....(Ok, at this point I am expecting Edwards because he LOOKS like what she would vote for, know what I mean??)...I think Hillary Clinton is the best person for President."

I almost didn't think I had heard her correctly. Now, her reasoning was kind of bizarre. She literally said, "You know, she has the most experience. She has been closest to the White House. You know that when she and Bill would go to bed at night, he would talk to her about things." I almost told her that by that logic, Monica could be President. But just the fact that she thinks HILLARY CLINTON would make the best President when two years ago she thought she would be a nice hood ornament...it really opened my eyes. I have always thought Hillary would have a HUGE electability problem. Now I am starting to think that the GOP had better be careful what they wish for....

[doublethink]

1. I just looked at your profile .....

a mother of 2 ... forty something years old ... um .. sure you didn't have this conversation with yourself? Just sounds kinda weird. The Swift-boating of Hillary begins huh? Peace.

note: I will support whatever candidate becomes the DEMOCRATIC nominee ..... what other choice do we have? Surely not a neo-con republic party person. no? :hi: Peace.

[w4rma]

11. Which means she likely hangs out with similar demographical folks.

Hillary is unable to win the general.

[renie408]

13. THANK YOU. I thought it was a crazy, funny conversation and wanted to share it.

And how in the hell is it 'Swiftboating' Hillary to relay that somebody who usually votes GOP said they were going to vote for her?

BTW...that really is a true story. Right up until last night, I agreed with you. I didn't think Hillary had a hope in hell in the GE. But that conversation has gotten me to thinking. My personal family acts like they will move to France (they are all Republicans, so France is the worst place they could think of) if Hillary wins. But this woman was serious. She may very likely vote for Hillary.

[renie408]

12. No, I hang out with other mothers of 11-16 year olds. Which means

that I have quite a few friends who match my general demographic. I also hang out with a lot of people who own horses...because I own horses. But, gee, you are right...it is really WEIRD that I would know a woman with two kids and is in her forties...


And umm, NO, I don't accept your little smiley or your 'peace'. It was a weird conversation and I thought I would share it. Fuck you.

[CTyankee]

21. What's funny is that you had to EXPLAIN it to someone!

Oh, you wimmin! Goin' around talkin' to yourselves agin!:rofl:

[Rick Myers]

2. I cannot accept that. The primary is wide open.

Everyone is still in play, until the caucuses and primaries.

I, for one, have NOT announced my support for a specific candidate, and all this infighting at our level is foolish. Let the candidates sort themselves out.

At times we are our own worst enemy.

Peace.

[Boojatta]

3. Studying probability and statistics is not a hobby for you, is it?

It's difficult to see how you arrived at "KNOW" and "inevitable" based on a population sample consisting of a single person.

[renie408]

15. Has anybody ever mentioned that you might take things too literally?

Ummm...I don't LITERALLY mean that Hillary's win is inevitable. Of course it isn't inevitable. Oh forget it....

[Missy M]

4. You can't be serious about the Monica mention....

what a rotten remark. The whole post smells.

[Lord Helmet]

6. you're right

sometimes I think I made a wrong turn on the web

[renie408]

17. Me, too. n/t

[Colobo]

5. In politics, nothing is written in stone.

[ooga booga]

7. Renie -- I think you've touched on something worth watching

Sure....it's still a long road to November 2008, but I think that like this staunch Republican you mention a lot of people are really yearning for real competence in the White House.

Hillary's obviously VERY smart, and she's got Bill as her wingman. Team Clinton is a strong package deal. The last Clinton administration got a balanced federal budget and a surplus...and handled the war in Kosovo like real grownups.

The GOP smear machine will rev up -- we all know that -- but this time it'll just invite an endless supply of ugly comparisons with Dubya's tenure in the White House. Our side just has to respond quickly and effectively. (We learned THAT bitter lesson when John Kerry tried to ignore the Swift Boat attacks.)

Still -- I choose to watch and wait for the Democratic nominee to emerge. Right now, Hillary appears to be the likely winner, but you never know....

[rurallib]

8. If living in the White House is a qualification we should run

that butler that has been there for four decades and the repugs should run Barney.
Actually old Barney has much more on the ball than the rest of their clown college.

[illinoisprogressive]

9. And I can point to many republicans who like obama. So what?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

14. Probably outnumber the ones who like Clinton 10 to 1. n/t

[renie408]

18. Sorry...so nothing. Obama is a god and as likely to win as Clinton. Edwards, too.

Forgive me for relaying what I thought was a completely bizarre conversation without clearly stating that NO, I don't think Hillary's win is, in actual fact, inevitable and without petting all candidates equally.

[doublethink]

10. Gawd I hate hit and run posts on DU !!!!!!

Where did you go? Dammit man !!!! Splain yourself !!! :evilgrin:

[renie408]

16. I FELL ASLEEP. I don't LIVE here.

You know, I thought it was funny. I have to remember that people lose their sense of humor where politics are concerned.

[renie408]

19. Please forgive me for relaying this conversation.

I didn't realize that in any way it could be construed as 'Swiftboating' Hillary Clinton or that anyone would take it any more seriously than I did. The conversartion happened while I was online and I didn't think through the ramifications of posting it here. Mostly because I couldn't imagine there would be ramifications. It did startle be because I had, up until last night, held to the conventional wisdom that Hillary was universely hated by nearly all Republicans. I have always contended that she was unelectable. I have fought with plenty of people here about that very thing.

All I can say is that conversation really happened and I do think it indicates that her electability problems might be more of a Dem myth than I previously thought.

[truedelphi]

22. I enjoyed your take on this. Sorry some others think you are

Swift Boating Hillary.

She is very hated within certain circles of Repug Nation - but also hated by certain elements of Democratic party (people like me!)

But to me it makes a great deal of sense that a moderate centrist Republican would want to vote for Hillary. After all, what I have been noticing for a long time is that Hillary is a Nixon era Republican, or a modern era Schwartzenneger-style Republican. Pro-abortion, pro-environment, in bed with the military (Whereas Ahnold is in bed with the oil people, which probably breaks down to being in bed with the same people.) Not against the health needs of children and willing to prop up the poor to a certain extend or otherwise they will take to the streets.

And of course, she will propose the same style National Health Insurance that Ahnold is about to propose - one that allows for the continued capture of 30% of America's health dollars by the insurance company executives.

[CTyankee]

23. You don't need to explain. I was as mystified as anyone reading it.

I sure don't know where the "swift boating" analogy came from.

I hear what you are saying and while intuition isn't everything, I think we develop an abililty to sense what is evolving in a political picture. My sensor is alerted when I talk to my garage mechanic. I know he voted for Bush both times. This time I am not so sure. He has seen Wes Clark on Fox and likes him. He is a veteran. Whether Clark's endorsement will make the difference for him on Hillary, I don't know. But I know it is a positive.

Hillary is now beating any republican in recent head to head polls. This is what I wanted to see in my candidate. I am sorry that Edwards isn't hacking it because I liked what he said. But # 1 with me is electability and always has been. We simply cannot afford another Republican running this country, period.

Your encounter is intuitive but it tells me something. I have always felt that horse people are more often republicans (for some reason I cannot fathom). I hear your story and I think "Hmm, now that's interesting!"

I hope you will report again on this situation!

[jcrew2001]

20. I still think that Bill should be allowed to serve a 3rd term instead

of Hillary if that is her reasoning.