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patrioticintellect Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 03:58 PM
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Iowa Democratic leaders trying to "rig the game"
Edited on Sat Sep-15-07 04:08 PM by patrioticintellect
http://www.dennis4president.com/go/newsroom/iowa-democratic-leaders-trying-to-%22rig-the-game%22/">Iowa Democratic leaders trying to "rig the game" by excluding Kucinich, Presidential candidate charges

DES MOINES, IA – Democratic Presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich said Iowa Democratic Party leaders and other groups aligned with the entrenched political power structure are "rigging the game in Iowa" by excluding him from two Presidential events this week.

"The whole purpose of the primary and caucus season is to provide voters with opportunities, not to enable a carnival of interest groups to subvert the process," Kucinich said. "When Party leaders and their allies pre-select which candidates they will allow the voters to hear, it's a disservice to the voters. Iowans deserve better than a rigged game."

Congressman Kucinich, (D-OH), was not invited to Sunday's Democratic Steak Fry in Indianola, nor to a Democratic Presidential Forum Thursday in Davenport. Representatives of both events have falsely claimed that Kucinich does not have a sufficiently "active organization" in Iowa.

However, statewide and national polls consistently show Kucinich running ahead of Senators Joe Biden and Christopher Dodd, who were invited to participate. A recent American Research Group poll in Iowa showed Kucinich getting 3% of the vote, ahead of Biden and Dodd, who were at the bottom with 1% each. In the Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg Poll in Iowa two weeks ago, Kucinich and Biden were both at 2% and Dodd was at 1%.

In the most recent CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll, Kucinich was at 3% nationally, Biden was at 2%, and Dodd was below 1%. Another national poll, Rasmussen Reports, showed Kucinich tied with New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson in fourth place, behind Senators Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, and former Senator John Edwards. Richardson was also invited to participate in the Iowa events. Kucinich also won a post-debate poll on ABC's website after the last Iowa debate.

"We're doing better than some of the establishment candidates, and we're moving up," Kucinich said. "Instead of spending millions of dollars on high-priced consultants, and slick advertising, we have a highly motivated grassroots organization."

He also questioned the decision by the American Association of Retired Persons (AARP) Iowa Public Television to exclude him from Thursday's Democratic Presidential Forum, which will focus on the issues of health care and financial security.

"The Presidential debate on health care has been largely fake, with phony claims from candidates that they are providing ‘universal health care’ when, in fact, they are preserving the for-profit system of private insurance companies who make money not providing health care," Kucinich said.

"I am the only Presidential candidate to offer a true universal healthcare plan for America, HR676, Medicare for All. It is a comprehensive, not-for-profit, national health insurance plan, and everyone is covered," Kucinich said. "No premiums, no deductibles, no co-payments."

"How can AARP and Iowa Public Television claim they are committed to educating and informing the voters of Iowa on the Number One domestic issue in this campaign when they deny a voice to the only candidate who is leading the effort to bring real reform to the health care system by ending the control of for-profit insurance and pharmaceutical companies? Since the AARP's own insurance sales interests would be affected by HR 676, serious questions must be raised about their decision to deny me a place on the platform," Kucinich said.

In one highly publicized incident in July, unaware that their microphones were still on and the cameras were still rolling, Clinton and Edwards whispered to each other on stage about eliminating some candidates from future debates. "It is most interesting," Kucinich noted, "that a number of post-debate analyses determined that I performed better than all the other candidates (AFL-CIO, ABC, Howard University, Logo Forum). I can well understand why the other candidates do not want competition, but the credibility of the Democratic process is at risk if sponsoring organizations join in the subversion of that process."

"You would think that the Iowa Democratic Party leaders, fighting to preserve the state’s status as the first caucus state, would be a little more careful about giving other states the impression that they and they alone have the right to determine who the next President will be." Kucinich said.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 04:00 PM
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1. Care to mention the source of this?
Edited on Sat Sep-15-07 04:00 PM by brentspeak
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patrioticintellect Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 04:06 PM
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4. I'll Source It Right Now.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 04:03 PM
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2. Link please
And if it's a Kucinich press release, that's fine, we just need to know.

I read he has a new campaign manager and if this is what we're going to get from him, well GOOD. This is outrageous, Kucinich is a legitimate candidate and should not be excluded from anything.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 04:05 PM
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3. Two important things
1) It's the TOM HARKIN steak fry - not the Iowa Democratic Party steak fry
2) It's the AARP Forum - not the Iowa Democratic Party forum

Con. Kucinich needs to know who to be angry at.
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patrioticintellect Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 04:09 PM
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5. No?
Tom Harkin and the AARP are only doing it because the Democrats and the Iowa Democratic Party are allowing it to happen. Otherwise, yes, Dennis could personalize it.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 06:28 PM
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13. You mean the IDP isn't telling it's highest elected official and a national
organization what to do? Imagine that.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 05:36 PM
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6. This is because Mr. Kucinich has neglected to hire staffers to work in Iowa
If Kucinich won't take Iowa caucus voters seriously, why should they take him seriously?
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 06:01 PM
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7. I think it liklier that AARP, being a front for the insurance industry,
doesn't want a candidate speaking who would eviscerate their health insurance industry with a real national healthecare plan.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 06:12 PM
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10. That doesn't explain him being excluded from Senator Hark's Steak Fry
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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 06:04 PM
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8. I'm starting to believe he's not taking the whole
thing seriously. I have watched all the debates, so I can't tell you which one this happened at. But, DK was asked a question, which he answered, then came a look on his face, he turned to the audience and grinned. If it had been a silly question, I could understand it, but it was something serious. I wish I could remember what it was, it may have been about the war. But, I will never forget that grin, it was like he was playing to the audience. I was shocked, I thought he had been running out of principle, but it seemed more like he was on stage performing.

Now, I'm not sure what to think of him.

zalinda
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patrioticintellect Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 06:16 PM
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11. And Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton don't do this
Or Bill Richardson, John Edwards, Chris Dodd, and Joe Biden?

Give me a break.
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 06:09 PM
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9. DK should know a little about trying to rig Iowa.
He made a deal with Edwards last time regarding caucus voters.
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patrioticintellect Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 06:16 PM
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12. Really?
I'm interested in a source for this.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 06:31 PM
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14. one source - there are plenty
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/01/19/elec04.prez.edwards.kucinich/index.html

Neither Kucinich or Edwards made a secret about this.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 06:33 PM
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15. You realize this is the second time Kucinich has claimed that somebody
is trying to rig the primaries - first he claimed Edwards/Clinton had a deal after their mics picked up a private exchange after one of the debates - now it's the Iowa Democratic Party, the AARP and Senator Tom Harkin.

Who will Kucinich attack for rigging the elections next week? Should I make a poll?
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patrioticintellect Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 07:32 PM
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18. Please do
That way I don't have to hear about your complaints in regards to an American hero anymore.
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patrioticintellect Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 07:31 PM
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17. I was uninformed
I'm man enough to admit that I had not known about this. You can use this to claim the upper hand in some "debate" you pursue. I don't care. I just want to civilly talk about politics.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 08:17 AM
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33. I don't want to claim the upper hand - I want to have a civil discussion
But that means both sides being civil. Kucinich is claiming that people are playing games with the political process when he proudly played games himself.
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patrioticintellect Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 10:10 AM
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40. But he has to
At some point take actions that can be construed as playing games because if he doesn't, how does he compete?
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patrioticintellect Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 07:36 PM
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19. This was not rigging.
This was a civil agreement that they both deserved to be a part of the caucus. Every candidate should get to be a part of the caucus and be able to go to all caucus events and events leading up to the primary where all candidates attend. That goes for the top-tiered candidates and the bottom-tiered candidates.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 10:09 PM
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22. You realize
there are far more candidates running than the ones you know about. Should they ALL be invited to every event? There are dozens.
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patrioticintellect Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 11:15 PM
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23. Why not?
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 02:22 AM
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29. Because a debate or forum
that includes dozens or scores of candidates, the vast majority of whom are crazy vanity candidates, would be pointless.
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patrioticintellect Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 09:09 AM
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36. Yes...
That's why Chris Dodd, Joe Biden, and Bill Richardson should get to attend but not Dennis Kucinich.

The statistics speak for themselves. Dennis is ahead of Chris Dodd and Joe Biden in a majority of the polls. And in a few polls, he ties for fourth place with Richardson.

A crazy vanity candidate? So you'd like more of the same? You'd like more corporate powered weak namby pamby Democrats?
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 09:26 AM
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39. We're discussing the notion
Edited on Sun Sep-16-07 09:27 AM by MonkeyFunk
that EVERY declared candidate should be invited to all debates and forums.

do you think they should? Would YOU find it productive to watch a debate with 40+ participants, the vast maority of whom are vanity candidates?

As to Biden & Dodd, perhaps they have offices and staff in Iowa and are actually trying to compete there?
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 02:00 PM
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43. So why do you think that Biden and Dodd get invited but not Kucinich?
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 08:21 AM
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34. I agree that all candidates should be invited to participate in caucus-related events
But a fund-raiser put on by Senator is not a caucus related event AND an event put on by the AARP is not a caucus related event. He has been invited to the debates and all party-sponsored events. Heck, why aren't you fighting the AFL-CIO for not allowing Gravel to attend their debate because he didn't get their form filled out in time?
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patrioticintellect Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 09:10 AM
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37. Because I didn't know that happened
But thanks for the info.
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BuelahWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 03:50 AM
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32. I was remembering the same thing...
:)
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 06:48 PM
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16. One more rec needed! n/t
PB
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justgamma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 08:07 PM
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20. "rig the game"?
Therein lies the rub. You can blame the MSM or the other candidates or whoever for the failure to get his message out, but I blame DK.

I have been checking his website for his schedule. It's really nice that he is spending a lot of time in Hawaii. That he's going to FL. and Vegas. That's great.

I'm in Iowa and where is Dennis? The local papers would get his message out. They cover everyone.


The other candidates came to the fairs, walked in parades, gave interviews, got in the local papers and won supporters. They are here asking for our votes and giving speeches. People here give everyone a chance. Where's Dennis?

He has an outstanding message to get out there. Where is he?

As you can tell, I'm extremely frustrated with him.
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superkia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 09:57 PM
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21. I would bet it has to do with lack of funds and all the competition there.
If you are on limited sources because you are for the people and not the corporation, you are going to have to pick and choose where you go. He would have to spend allot of time and money there like the others to even compete and it would probably hurt his campaign funds to much. Maybe he feels that its better to get his message out to more people in the country instead of one place.

Remember, the media doesn't even really cover him at all, they cover Dodd and Richardson more than him, so he needs to make it to as many places as possible with his funds. They have wanted him out since that earlier campaign and the media has hidden him from the start, there is a reason. The agenda driven media, the corporations that have so much money invested and the politicians that DO NOT want people to hear him spread a message that they will not support, it makes them look bad or like they are. He is against corruption in government, against corporations running the government, for the constitution and our rights and HE STANDS UP AND SHOUTS THIS OUT WHENEVER HE CAN. I don't see the others fighting for these very important issues no where near as much, I think they are more interested in pulling the wool over our eyes and taking care of the corporations, business as usual.

You will see in the future, the media and the money will win! Americans dont want a true candidate for the people, they want one that tells them what they want to hear and that looks good while they do it, that seems to be it?
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patrioticintellect Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 11:20 PM
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26. Seems to be it to me
unfortunately. Thank you for your comment.
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justgamma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 11:24 PM
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27. That's the point.
The big media won't cover him, but the local papers will. Dodd came to town and there was all of 10 or 15 people there, but he got 1/2 page coverage from the local paper. That's how you get the message out.

As for funding, I would be willing to bet that 5 days in Hawaii would equal quite a few days in Iowa.

Put a notice in the paper that he will be in the local park and people will come. He has supporters here. Then wait for the word of mouth. It wouldn't have cost anything to march in a fair parade. Maybe he could have copied some literature and handed it out. Wouldn't need to be fancy.\

Forget going to Des Moines. Go to the smaller towns and watch the publicity he'd get. The point is he's not even trying.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 03:07 AM
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30. seriously?
Edited on Sun Sep-16-07 03:07 AM by MonkeyFunk
His money's better spent in Hawaii than Iowa? He can DRIVE to Iowa!

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superkia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 01:58 PM
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42. Isnt Iowa flooded with candidates non stop?
I don't think he would be mentioned much over Clinton, Edwards, Obama, Dodd and Richardson. If you havent noticed even here on DU, its not just the media that is ignoring the guy, its everyone that seems to be paying too much attention to their tv.
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 02:15 PM
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44. "the media and the money will win! "
"Americans dont want a true candidate for the people,"

I'm not sure if that is a contradiction, or if "the media" are expressing the true will of the people.
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 07:54 PM
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46. I think it's an intimation that the "media"
are tools of the moneyed interests. The mainstream media largely exists, not to inform or to educate, but to disseminate ready made opinion. In other words, they propagandize.
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patrioticintellect Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 11:18 PM
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24. I'm frustrated too
I don't live in Iowa. If I did, I would be joining you in trying to figure out why he has stayed away. But ask if it has anything to do with the DNC trying to keep Kucinich from winning the nomination. I mean, why is he staying away from the pack? Yes, Harkin didn't invite him. And yes, the AARP kept him out of the forum. That had to figure into him deciding to just go to Hawaii and get a jump on the other candidates. But, what does the DNC chairman and the DNC want from Dennis? I think they ultimately want him to quit. And whenever he's in close proximity, they take the chances necessary to marginalize him and push him further out of the race.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 11:19 PM
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25. Perhaps Hawaii and Florida have nicer beaches than Iowa?
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Ninja Jordan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 11:31 PM
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28. Anyone know where I canfind TDS's 'Chris Dodd Song'?
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BuelahWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 03:49 AM
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31. Kucinich was at the Steakfry in 2003
And wasn't any further ahead as a candidate than he is now. What made this year different? :shrug:
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 09:02 AM
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35. Perhaps he actually had an Iowa office and staff last time
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 09:11 AM
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38. His staff in 2003 would attend events that the other candidates organized
and hand out fliers to attend Kucinich events - saving $$ on advertising and gathering crowds. I have not seen the same amount of creativity this time around. Of course several of the Kucinich supporters from 2003 have been hired to work for other candidates or organizations. I don't even know if he has an Iowa-specific staff member or headquarters. (even though he's opening a hq in Nevada)

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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 10:33 AM
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41. irrelevant justification
The primary is when? Plenty of time to set up an office. He's already ahead of several rivals who were invited. It's horseshit.

Then again, it could be karmic payback for his asinine deal with Edwards last time around.
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 05:47 PM
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45. Hmmmm, he could have gone...
but he would have probably had to send a check for $30 to get a ticket.

Could it be that Kucinich is cheap?

It would have been worth the $30 just to be there and mix it up with the crowd.

Hawaii was the state that gave him his best showing in the '06 primary.
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 08:00 PM
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47. yeah, he [i]could[i/] have gone
Edited on Sun Sep-16-07 08:04 PM by GreenArrow
but he doesn't seem to have been invited, even though several of his competitors who are trailing him -- local offices or not -- were. I don't see anything in the OP that mentioned 30 dollars. I did see this:

"Congressman Kucinich, (D-OH), was not invited to Sunday's Democratic Steak Fry in Indianola, nor to a Democratic Presidential Forum Thursday in Davenport. Representatives of both events have falsely claimed that Kucinich does not have a sufficiently "active organization" in Iowa."


And of course, given that the primary in Iowa is m-o-n-t-h-s away, there is plenty of time to set an office up. The rationale for excluding him is bullshit.
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ISUGRADIA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 11:12 PM
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48. Not a primary, they're called the caucuses
and starting a campaign in Iowa 3 months before the caucuses is laughable for a candidate who's been running basically non-stop since 2003. Kucinich has a NH HQ for months. He has no staff, no office, and does not visit the state. He's written off Iowa so people in IA are going to write him off.
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 09:27 AM
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49. you're correct on primary/caucus
but the rest I must disagree with. Kucinich has to run his campaign on a shoestring, but he already has an extant network from the last time around. I suspect we'll see him set up an organization quickly. Even with minimal appearances, he is already ahead of Dodd, Biden and virtually even with Richardson, all of whom have spent more money in Iowa than Kucinich has. Let's repeat that. He is already ahead, even with minimal effort to this date, of three candidates who are behind or even with him in the polls and who yet were able to participate. I guess if participation depends on presence in the state, then Iowa should should just default it's delegates to Edwards, who has been virtually living there since 2001.
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