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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 05:36 PM
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Iowa Democratic leaders trying to "rig the game" by excluding Kucinich, Presidential candidate charg
Letter from Dennis K.

Iowa Democratic leaders trying to "rig the game" by excluding Kucinich, Presidential candidate charges

Dear xxxxx

DES MOINES, IA – Democratic Presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich said Iowa Democratic Party leaders and other groups aligned with the entrenched political power structure are "rigging the game in Iowa" by excluding him from two Presidential events this week.

"The whole purpose of the primary and caucus season is to provide voters with opportunities, not to enable a carnival of interest groups to subvert the process," Kucinich said. "When Party leaders and their allies pre-select which candidates they will allow the voters to hear, it's a disservice to the voters. Iowans deserve better than a rigged game."

Congressman Kucinich, (D-OH), was not invited to Sunday's Democratic Steak Fry in Indianola, nor to a Democratic Presidential Forum Thursday in Davenport. Representatives of both events have falsely claimed that Kucinich does not have a sufficiently "active organization" in Iowa.

However, statewide and national polls consistently show Kucinich running ahead of Senators Joe Biden and Christopher Dodd, who were invited to participate. A recent American Research Group poll in Iowa showed Kucinich getting 3% of the vote, ahead of Biden and Dodd, who were at the bottom with 1% each. In the Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg Poll in Iowa two weeks ago, Kucinich and Biden were both at 2% and Dodd was at 1%.

In the most recent CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll, Kucinich was at 3% nationally, Biden was at 2%, and Dodd was below 1%. Another national poll, Rasmussen Reports, showed Kucinich tied with New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson in fourth place, behind Senators Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, and former Senator John Edwards. Richardson was also invited to participate in the Iowa events. Kucinich also won a post-debate poll on ABC's website after the last Iowa debate.

"We're doing better than some of the establishment candidates, and we're moving up," Kucinich said. "Instead of spending millions of dollars on high-priced consultants, and slick advertising, we have a highly motivated grassroots organization."

He also questioned the decision by the American Association of Retired Persons (AARP) Iowa Public Television to exclude him from Thursday's Democratic Presidential Forum, which will focus on the issues of health care and financial security.

"The Presidential debate on health care has been largely fake, with phony claims from candidates that they are providing ‘universal health care’ when, in fact, they are preserving the for-profit system of private insurance companies who make money not providing health care," Kucinich said.

"I am the only Presidential candidate to offer a true universal healthcare plan for America, HR676, Medicare for All. It is a comprehensive, not-for-profit, national health insurance plan, and everyone is covered," Kucinich said. "No premiums, no deductibles, no co-payments."

"How can AARP and Iowa Public Television claim they are committed to educating and informing the voters of Iowa on the Number One domestic issue in this campaign when they deny a voice to the only candidate who is leading the effort to bring real reform to the health care system by ending the control of for-profit insurance and pharmaceutical companies? Since the AARP's own insurance sales interests would be affected by HR 676, serious questions must be raised about their decision to deny me a place on the platform," Kucinich said.

In one highly publicized incident in July, unaware that their microphones were still on and the cameras were still rolling, Clinton and Edwards whispered to each other on stage about eliminating some candidates from future debates. "It is most interesting," Kucinich noted, "that a number of post-debate analyses determined that I performed better than all the other candidates (AFL-CIO, ABC, Howard University, Logo Forum). I can well understand why the other candidates do not want competition, but the credibility of the Democratic process is at risk if sponsoring organizations join in the subversion of that process."

"You would think that the Iowa Democratic Party leaders, fighting to preserve the state’s status as the first caucus state, would be a little more careful about giving other states the impression that they and they alone have the right to determine who the next President will be." Kucinich said.

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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 05:38 PM
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1. This is because Mr. Kucinich has neglected to hire staffers to work in Iowa
If Kucinich won't take Iowa caucus voters seriously, why should they take him seriously?

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superkia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 09:25 PM
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22. Its not good to let an honest person attend, it makes the politicians look bad.
Same reason the media hides him, he has some very good things to say and isn't a person that supports the big machine. He supports the American people like our elected officials are supposed to, its just too bad the American people follow the media and ignore him too. If they keep him out, it makes what I said a while ago make more sense to me now. They are afraid of him and his 3%, he stands for change for our country and they don't! Even if Americans aren't smart enough to listen to him, it still can make the others look exactly how they are and for some reason they don't like that? Wonder why?Too bad most Americans are brainwashed by the media and refuse to give our country a chance!
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 11:14 PM
Response to Reply #22
31. What does honesty have to do with failing to establish a campaign organization in Iowa?
:shrug:
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BuelahWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 04:07 PM
Response to Reply #31
54. Sh! Facts have no place in this argument!
Expressing moral outrage is sexier, even if the candidate is shooting himself in the foot...
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 04:12 PM
Response to Reply #54
57. And less expensive than campaigning in the state that will hold the first contest n/t
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subsuelo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 06:04 PM
Response to Reply #1
65. This has nothing whatsoever to do with lack of staffers
Kucinich tells the truth, that's why he was excluded.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 10:19 AM
Response to Reply #65
81. I tell the truth too, but nobody invited me.
:shrug:
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 11:28 AM
Response to Reply #65
82. And telling the truth is all Dennis does.
I appreciate where Dennis stands on the issues but if you want to run for President you have to hire qualified staff and raise money. Dennis doesn't appear to be willing to do those things. If this is just an issue campaign then he should be honest with his supporters about that.
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subsuelo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 03:18 PM
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91. it's still no excuse
The question to be asked is this -- What possible harm could come from inviting Kucinich?

Lack of money, lack of staffers, lack of support in the party - none of it matters because there could be no possible harm done to anyone if he were invited.
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 05:42 PM
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2. oh, for goodness sakes why don't they just include him?
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subsuelo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 06:00 PM
Response to Reply #2
64. it's obvious why
he tells the truth
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slick8790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 07:27 PM
Response to Reply #2
69. Oh for goodness sake, why can't he just have the one staffer to meet the requirements?
Edited on Sun Sep-16-07 07:28 PM by slick8790
Not everything is a conspiracy against st. kucinich.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 05:45 PM
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3. Why can't party leaders see
that while these tactics may successfully limit the field, it disenfranchises voters, and puts their future votes at risk?
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 08:07 PM
Response to Reply #3
16. because NOT pulling these tactics...
successfully disenfranchises big corporate donors.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 09:32 PM
Response to Reply #16
24. Of course.
So we either stop pretending that the Democratic Party is the party of "the people," and come out of the closet with the party of the corporations, or we do something to change it.

How do you fight corruption on that level?
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patrioticintellect Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 05:46 PM
Response to Reply #24
60. My diagnosis
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 08:16 PM
Response to Reply #60
93. Good diagnosis. n/t
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 05:50 PM
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4. I suspect they're trying to exclude him
because they're afraid of the power of his ideas...

I sure as hell hope they fail!

GO DENNIS!
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 02:53 PM
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46. Oh, California Peggy, please don't think so poorly of us Iowans
It probably has more to do with the fact that Kucinich has refused to set up any type of organization here in Iowa. He doesn't have a headquaters, or an Iowa staff, or even an Iowa contact person. He essentially has ignored Iowa. I wonder when the Harkin campaign needed to know if the candidate wanted to attend (or the AARP), maybe Kucinich didn't provide that information on time?? Tom Harkin is not a cheater or one to hinder the political process - but organizing an event where 12,000 are in attendance takes more than a little planning.

Please don't blame Iowa or Iowans for this.
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 04:07 PM
Response to Reply #46
55. My dear Debi!
I'm not blaming Iowa or Iowans in general for this, not at all!

You're most likely correct about the exclusion...

Politics can be so messy!

:hug:
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 04:13 PM
Response to Reply #55
58. Thank you Peggy
I just feel like there's more to this story than what is in that press release. :hug:
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MaggieSwanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 05:16 AM
Response to Reply #46
76. I know the name of his contact person in Iowa
and I can pm you his info if you would like to verify.

I'm pretty disgusted with the state right now.

-M

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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 11:44 AM
Response to Reply #76
85. MAGGIE!!! Are you back??? You have been missed and REALLY missed!
Yes, please PM me - Debi, Jr. has friends who want to be in touch w/the campaign (get him active up on campus here) but only have Marcos @ the Iowa for Dennis group. Sorry your are disappointed w/the state right now, but I think part of the blame should fall on the campaign. You know how active Kucinich was in 2003 - he is non-existent in Iowa this go around. Why?

:hi:
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 12:40 PM
Response to Reply #46
87. Refused?
You have some kind of insider knowledge that he just refused to do it?
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 05:55 PM
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5. Gee I dunno.
Seems to me that it is a good plan. That way the party leaders do all the thinking and deciding and we don't have to think, decide or bother to stand in line at the polls anymore. Not to mention that we will no longer have to watch those interminable advertisements.

Good lord. What is the damned problem? There are some really awful things happening in the Democratic (lol) Party. I am glad I got out when I did.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 09:09 PM
Response to Reply #5
21. That's where we're heading: "Don't worry about voting,

we'll take care of that for you so you can stay home on election day and watch all those exciting daytime tv shows."

As soon as I vote for Dennis in the Democratic primary, I will re-register as an Independent or Green.

I am so fed up with the Democratic party hacks. They forced Kerry on us last time and they'll force Clinton on us this time, probably with the same results: a Republican in the White House.
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 10:59 PM
Response to Reply #21
30. All you have to do
is read what you see here and you will know it has been bought hook line and sinker by a lot of people. We are not needed and it seems that now it is OK to be bought and paid for by the corporations because really, winning is everything. It does not matter anymore what kind of policies are set up or what someone believes in, all that matters is winning and we will use any means possible because, you know, if we don't win it will be worse. Well maybe, but that is one big maybe.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 02:25 AM
Response to Reply #30
39. Yes, if someone says they're a Democrat and

raises a lot of money from corporate donors, an awful lot of people will vote for him/her, no matter what his/her positions are or what kind of record s/he has.

Those voters deserve the government they get. I just object because I'm stuck with the same government. I keep trying to figure out a better place to live, with the US going to Hell in a handbasket.
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Bluzmann57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 06:03 PM
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6. Well I've checked and checked
And he has zero presence in Iowa as far as staff. No offices. No staffers for nonexistent offices anyway. So if he doesn't wish to make any effort to win us over, why should we care about him? I like his ideas, but it sure would be nice if he at least looked like he cared about us here in Iowa. FYI, Obama is not coming to the forum in Davenport on Thursday either.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 06:06 PM
Response to Reply #6
7. That's a point. In order to be taken seriously, you gotta be serious yourself.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 06:24 PM
Response to Reply #6
8. Hmmmm so what you are saying is that
If someone does not have the money to put on a dog and pony show in your state they need to be excluded...Isn't that a little like telling a senior at a prom or high school event that they haven't been invited because they don't have the money for a tux or prom dress.
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 07:37 PM
Response to Reply #8
12. what they are saying is:.........if Dennis wants
their votes.then he should put some kind of campaign headquarters up in the state.....not just take them for granted.

and maybe .they organizers didn't think Dennis would be back from touring in the Middle East when this date was picked.
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 08:30 PM
Response to Reply #12
18. i'm sure
if they would've asked, DK would have told them what his schedule was.

As far as any "campaign headquarters" is concerned, well. As a candidate, when you don't accept money from corporations, lobbyists, etc (relying on individuals to donate because they believe in his vision... and guess who resonates most with his vision? Well, not people with A LOT of money, that's for sure),... funding and staffing campaign offices in every "important" state becomes impossible. Is this a participatory Democracy? Am i going to choose who i think is best based on how convenient their office is?

Here in Western Massachusetts, there are 3 different local Kucinich groups that meet regularly. I've gone to a couple of meetings, we made some flyers and we'll be going door to door next month. Here in MA and in NH. We will be giving out a simple message. Listen to all the candidates, vote your conscience, ask questions... and goddammit VOTE IN YOUR PRIMARIES!

If people don't get out there and TAKE PART in their Government, how can we expect government to take care of the people?

peace out there... i can hope.

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superkia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 09:36 PM
Response to Reply #12
25. So what everyone wants is what everyone complains about?
If he would pimp himself out to some corporate interests, they would give him the money needed to compete there. He probably has to pick and choose where he goes and figured the rest of them would be able to spend more funds there and he would have to try another easier venue with less fight. I think you guys are right, we should get big business in our elections more, this way we can get rid of the only candidate that has been completely against big business out of the race. Way to make America a better place, media plays a huge part, corporations play a big part and now the citizens are mad that a candidate speaks for the people but doesn't have the funds or the media behind him, so they are a big part? We get what we ask for folks and sounds like we have taken hook, line and sinker from the media and the slanted political system. Whats next, are we going to hate people who march for peace? What has our country come to? Does the almighty television have that much of a grip on everyone now?

Are we really behind, getting rid of certain candidates? Is this really what we want from our political system? We are looking for a person of integrity to elect to the highest position of our country. I understand being biased against poor people but against poor candidates? If this is the way most feel, our country is really in deep shit and not because of bush!
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 10:31 PM
Response to Reply #25
28. If he doesn't have the money
to set up a field office in Iowa, how on earth would he have the money to win the general election?
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maxanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 03:00 PM
Response to Reply #28
48. fear not
you'll get the best candidate money can buy!
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 07:41 PM
Response to Reply #48
72. Again
if he can't raise enough money to hire one staffer in Iowa, what hope does he have of winning?

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renie408 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 08:08 PM
Response to Reply #8
17. Well, conversely, what do you think Kucinich's ignoring Iowa says to the people there?
And honestly, if you don't have the money in a Presidential race to take Iowa seriously, then take a damn hint.
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BuelahWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 04:10 PM
Response to Reply #8
56. DK has been a politician for how long now?
He knows all about the dog and pony show in Iowa. He has chosen not to open an office there or campaign there. If he has the money to campaign in Hawaii, why not open an office in Iowa?
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penguin7 Donating Member (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 08:00 PM
Response to Reply #6
13. Dennis is not exactly rolling in corporate dollars
Why should he be forced to spend his scarce resources for this free exposure given to other candidates?
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 03:28 AM
Response to Reply #13
40. If he can't raise enough money to even open an office
in Iowa, he has zero chance of winning the nomination or the general election, and thus SHOULD be excluded.
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superkia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 02:00 PM
Response to Reply #40
42. Its too bad money is what decides who runs our country.
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subsuelo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 06:08 PM
Response to Reply #40
67. You exclude people according to how much money they have?
Way to promote democracy there!
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 07:40 PM
Response to Reply #67
71. If he can't raise enough money
to even open an office in Iowa, how on earth can he win the nomination, much less the general?

The reason he was excluded because the 3 million dollars he's raised (plus matching funds for most of that) evidently aren't enough for him to hire one staffer in the entire state.

Labor must be mighty expensive in Iowa.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 11:32 AM
Response to Reply #13
83. There are lots of non-corporate dollars that Obama raised.
Edited on Mon Sep-17-07 11:33 AM by Radical Activist
It says something about Dennis' lack of support among progressives and his personal lack of commitment to fundraising. Dennis can't blame anyone but himself if he doesn't want to pick up the phone and make calls to major donors. He didn't do it in '04 either. That isn't fair to the small donors who give to his campaign.

I know people want to claim Obama is corporate just because he can raise money but what I see is a progressive candidate who is succeeding at what needs to be done to get elected. It saddens me that there are some in the party who will turn their back on a true progressive as soon as he starts to reach some level of success with raising money and getting media coverage. Its incredibly self defeating for the movement.
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ISUGRADIA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 12:38 PM
Response to Reply #13
86. He's not rolling in dollars period
He can't get individuals to give to his campaigns like the other candidates have. No support, no HQ, no appearances in Iowa = no steak fry freebie.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 12:51 PM
Response to Reply #13
89. He isn't exactly rolling on non-corporate dollars either
Why? Because he can't convince average people that he has a chance in hell of winning the nomination.
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Peregrine Took Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 07:07 PM
Response to Original message
9. I like DK but I can never 100% forgive him for siding with Edwards in 2004
in the Iowa primary against the only other anti-war candidate, Howard Dean.

Now he knows what having the deck stacked against you in Iowa feels like.

Wait til they start up with their creepy caucuses when total strangers can come up to you and bully, humiliate and, otherwise, try to intimidate you as the Kerry people often did to the Dean people.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 02:48 PM
Response to Reply #9
45. The irony of the OP
I agree with your take on 2004 Iowas caucuses where DK sided with Edwards. He was part of the machine in that instance, the Iowa caucus machine. Now there is no Howard Dean to stop DK's apparently not going to throw in his lot with another. Fine. But don't now cry foul over the way the machine works when you were a willing part of machine shenanigans in 04 Dennis.

Julie
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maxanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 03:07 PM
Response to Reply #9
49. so
Instead you can support one of the candidates who voted for the war, voted to continue to fund the war, and/or voted for the Patriot Act. They say ooops...I didn't mean it...and ya'll fall all over yourselves to forgive them.

I'm always amazed by people who claim to be left leaning, who work overtime to find reasons to hate Dennis Kucinich.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 05:51 PM
Response to Reply #9
61. Are you kidding me? How many caucuses have you attended that you're such an expert?
Caucuses have to be held in the precinct in which the caucus attendee lives - meaning we caucus with our neighbors, not strangers. We do not bully or humiliate or intimidate each other. But thanks for calling our political process creepy. :eyes:
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #9
68. Dean was never really an anti-war candidate anyway.
He was a moderate who said he wanted to keep pentagon funding levels at current levels and he said we'd be in Iraq for 2-5 more years. That's not an anti-war position and Dennis knew it.
Edwards and Kucinich have more in common on the issues.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 07:34 PM
Response to Reply #9
70. Forgiveness is divine.
If I can forgive Dean, and Dean's supporters, for claiming to be "anti-war," and for repeatedly hammering out "Dean is the ONLY..." when it was a lie, only to come back when challenged with a patronizing, "the only major candidate,"

then Dean supporters ought to be able to forgive DK's supporters for fighting back.

And I have forgiven both. I appreciate Dr. Dean's work in his current position, and don't hesitate to say so.
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 07:14 PM
Response to Original message
10. it's not Iowa's Steak Fry. it's Harkin's. DK needs to talk to him about the slight.
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 07:32 PM
Response to Reply #10
11. check the polls:
http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/candidates/Dennis-Kucinich.html

You can compare all the candidates from both parties on this one site. About 20+ polls are listed plus other indicators of a candidates standing. Just click on the candidates picture and the info comes up.

Alan Keyes just threw his beanie into the ring. Now the Pugs have a spoiler like Nader in their midst. Is Keyes invited?
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 08:44 PM
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19. Harkin will be hearing from me about ignoring a fellow Dem in this way.

Harkin may be joined at the hip to Hillary and incapable of responding to other Democrats now. He should do the right thing and invite Dennis.
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pstans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 08:05 PM
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14. Kucinich hasn't campaigned in Iowa
This site (http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2008/ia08/iavisits08d.html) shows Kucinich has campaigned in Iowa 4 days on 3 visits. Clintoin is the next lowest at 28 days on 17 visits. Edwards (63 days) and Biden (59 days) have spent the most days campaigning in Iowa.
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Broke Dad Donating Member (345 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 08:50 PM
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20. Dennis has no staff and no office in Iowa
I saw a lot of Dennis in 2004. He has only shown up for the debates held in Iowa and then left. This is Harkin's call and it is probably his way of expressing his displeasure with Dennis's lack of presence in Iowa.
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Yukari Yakumo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 01:29 AM
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38. Let's see here...
Could only be bothered to campaign in Iowa for a whopping four days...
Has no staff or offices in Iowa...

...

WHAT THE FUCK IS HE IN THE RACE FOR!?!
Does he not fucking know how goddamn important Iowa is to a presidential candidate!? Edwards has been there for like three YEARS. And people think he actually has a chance in hell of winning this thing!

:mad: duuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrr :mad:

Kucinich is no contender. He's not even a pretender. He's a nobody. The little fuckwad has been wasting his supporter's time and money for a campaign driven more by ego and photo ops than actually wanting the job. Thankfully, I never supported the guy, but what the fuck Kuch?

:mad: rrrrrrrrrrr! :mad:
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 08:06 PM
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15. HR676 would put the AARP out of business. n/t
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 10:13 PM
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27. You hit that nail on the head. nt
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 09:26 PM
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23. Others on this thread are saying that because he didn't set up offices, he shouldn't be included.
That's bullshit! If he's running, he should be included, period.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 09:52 PM
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26. Dozens of people are running
for the democratic nomination - you just haven't heard of most of them. Should they ALL be included?
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 11:49 PM
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32. There should be a limit obviously - 100's of people are actually running according
to one website. But, whether or not you set up temporary offices in Iowa should not be that litmus test.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 02:58 PM
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47. But he can set up an office in Nevada and campaign in Hawaii?
Seems Dennis Kucinich might be using this campaign to have a year-long honeymoon rather than work for the nomination the way he did in 2004.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 10:34 PM
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29. If DK isn't there, who will tell Iowa the truth?
Edited on Sat Sep-15-07 10:39 PM by bvar22
If DK isn't "invited", who will tell America that:

*Single Payer Universal HealthCare is not only possible, but cheaper.

*that "For Profit" HealthCare is obscene

*that Mandatory Health Insurance is NOT REALLY Universal HealthCare

*that the Democratic Party and American taxpayers should NOT be forced to subsidize some of the richest CEOs in history by subsidizing the HealthCare Insurance Corps and HMOs.

*that the USA SHOULD give the Imperial Palace (Green Zone) back to the Iraqis, close the permanent bases, expel all Corporate Consultants, withdraw ALL US Troops, and begin paying reparations NOW.

*that redeploying some troops at some future date is a PRO-WAR position.

*that the "Oil Law Benchmark" supported by the Democratic Party is a War Crime

*That we can have election accountability with "Paper Ballots publicly hand counted at the precinct".

*that we CAN cut $Billions$ from the Defense Budget

*that the RICHEST Corporations in history do NOT need $Billions$ in welfare subsidies

*that NAFTA (Free Trade) has not been a good thing for Americans who have to work for a living


DK is one of the few reasons I'm still a Democrat.
When the Party Establishment doesn't "invite" Dennis, they also don't invite ME!
Fuck Them!
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 12:53 AM
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35. Iowans don't want to hear the truth about ethanol. Why would they want to hear any other truth?
I'm an ethanol man!

George W. Bush
Iowa, 2000
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 01:24 AM
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36. Perhaps if he would open up a campaign office and hire just one staffer in Iowa,
Tom Harkin would take him seriously. But Kucinich would rather spend him campaign money travelling to Hawaii: http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070915/NEWS21/709150341/1171/NEWS21
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penguin7 Donating Member (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 12:17 AM
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33. interesting thread at Kucinich website on Iowa
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 12:37 AM
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34. I am so sick of those ethanol peddlers in Iowa!
This shows once again why it is so wrong to have Iowa go first in the nation. A shitty little state having far too much influence on the electoral process.

The only solution is by replacing the current system with a system of rotating regional primaries.
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Blue Gardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 02:35 PM
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43. I'm equally sick of the Iowa bashing
Shitty little state? Have you ever spent any time here? You might be pleasantly surprised.
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emmadoggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 03:26 PM
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50. I'm sick of it too.
"Shitty little state." Real nice. :eyes:
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IA_Seth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 10:13 PM
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73. Shitty little state?
Kucinich's whining ass needs to stop complaining that he didn't get invited to private events that aren't held by the IDP (Harkin and the AARP), when he can't even bother putting up a local Iowa office or hiring ONE staffer...and dont start about the money shit - I guarantee you he could find an empty storefront in one of Iowa's many small towns for less than what I pay for rent in my "shitty little" apartment. He could probably hire a staffer (or get one to volunteer even) for less than the cost of his plane tickets to Hawaii.

And what the hell does this have to do with Iowa's first in the nation status?
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 05:55 AM
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79. "A shitty little state"
Wow
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 10:02 AM
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80. Wow, you've really got a bug up the butt about Iowa huh?
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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 11:37 AM
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84. What an incredibly offensive and thoroughly ignorant statement.
Edited on Mon Sep-17-07 11:43 AM by youthere
"Shitty little State?" You should be ashamed.
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ISUGRADIA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 12:44 PM
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88. "Shitty little state" very classy
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Bluzmann57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 07:37 PM
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92. Well, let me think
Even though I am an Iowan and damn proud of it, I can still think. You are from Indiana, which I have had the pleasure of visiting, and I am from Iowa, which you may or may not have had the pleasure of visiting. I think maybe you should visit us. We are (mostly) friendly people, except when we get crossed. Then we will stick up for ourselves. So come on over here and please be civil. You may just have a good time.
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Progressive Friend Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 01:28 AM
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37. America's "open society" is apparently not "open" to candidates who oppose war with Iran
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IA_Seth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 10:15 PM
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74. Oh the horror...
A private group (AARP) and a Senator don't feel the need to invite candidates that aren't campaigning in their area, democracy has been lost! Lost I tell ya!

Kucinich needs to prove that he is interested in Iowa's opinions before Iowa gives two shits for his. And I like the guy, whiny as he may be.
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cleveramerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 06:09 AM
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41. SOUR GRAPES from DK
You sound like a spoiled child.
You think we shouldn't notice your dismal campaign operation?
You think we shouldn't notice THAT YOU HAVE NO CHANCE?
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 02:40 PM
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44. Who's "WE?" nt
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cleveramerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 03:43 PM
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51. 85% of democrats
and giving him 15% support os being generous
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 06:05 PM
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66. Every candidate has less than 50% support
By your logic none of the candidates should be invited since a majority of Democrats do not support any one candidate. What is the cut-off -- 20% or more? Another reason Iowa should be at the last of the line, not the first.
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subsuelo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 05:59 PM
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63. way to promote democracy there
glad you're all for every candidate getting a fair chance
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cleveramerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 05:02 AM
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75. There are two sides of Fair
so your in favor of including all 100 or so candidates? or are you against "democracy" too?
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Yukari Yakumo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 05:41 AM
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77. "dismal"?
Try non-existent.

This guy is not remotely trying.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 03:48 PM
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52. Excluding Kucinich from the debate on health care, when he's the only one
Edited on Sun Sep-16-07 03:48 PM by Lydia Leftcoast
proposing single payer?

That can't be coincidental.

Since all the other candidates are proposing some variety of easier access to insurance (corporate welfare for the insurance companies), I bet some insurance company pooh-bahs had some input into who would be invited.
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 03:53 PM
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53. I'm not a Kucinich fan, but
IF they are including Biden and Dodd, then they should include Dennis.

If I were in charge however, I would exclude all three (even though I know that won't be a popular position here). It would give more time to candidates that are serious about winning and are building solid national organizations for the general election.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 05:56 PM
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62. Does that mean that you would have excluded Kerry and Edwards in 2003?
In August of 2003 Lieberman was polling in first place with Gephardt in second and Dean in third. Kerry was at a dismal 5% along with Al Sharpton. Obviously he and John Edwards were not serious about winning or building a solid national organization for the general election.

Biden and Dodd have actually taken Iowa seriously and spent time here asking for support in the upcoming caucuses - whereas Kucinich can't be bothered because he is campaigning in California, Florida and Hawaii.
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 02:52 PM
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90. Probably.
Although I was a Dean supporter in 2004 and haven't quite forgiven you early state'ers for torpedoing his campaign before we folk in bigger, more diverse states had a shot, so I'm biased in my answer.

There are over 100 people running for president and I admit I would draw the line much earlier than most would.
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Yukari Yakumo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 05:47 AM
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78. I'm thinking this too
Dodd, Kuch, Gravel, and Biden *combined* aren't even remotely close enough to hold Obama's jock. Let the real contenders have more time to explain themselves (and more opportunities to screw up).
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 04:15 PM
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59. Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel were not invited by Mr. Harkin
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/09/16/heading-to-the-steak-fry-in-iowa/

Later today, presuming they make it through the traffic, six Democratic candidates are scheduled to take the stage to address the voters who will open the presidential nominating season early next year. (Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel were not invited by Mr. Harkin.)

We’re en route - yes, caught in traffic with the masses - so as we wait, here’s a glimpse of the scene:

* Small blue “Iowans for Hillary” signs seem to be planted in practically every available patch of grass. Signs, of course, don’t equal votes, but there seem to be hundreds of them.

* Buzzing overhead is a small plane, with a sign declaring that this is “Edwards Country.”

* Large white “HOPE” signs - with the O symbolizing the Obama logo - are plentiful, too. As we get closer, Obama’s voice is wafting through the air, with his staff playing a collection of his speeches.

* The Biden campaign has set up a roadside display showing his “ears” of experience. His years in Washington are denoted by ears of corn, outpacing everyone else in the field.

* A small clutch of Dodd supporters are chanting and busily passing out literature, reminding voters here that he won the endorsement of a major firefighters union.
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