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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 05:36 PM Original message |
Iowa Democratic leaders trying to "rig the game" by excluding Kucinich, Presidential candidate charg |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 05:38 PM Response to Original message |
1. This is because Mr. Kucinich has neglected to hire staffers to work in Iowa |
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superkia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 09:25 PM Response to Reply #1 |
22. Its not good to let an honest person attend, it makes the politicians look bad. |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 11:14 PM Response to Reply #22 |
31. What does honesty have to do with failing to establish a campaign organization in Iowa? |
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BuelahWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 04:07 PM Response to Reply #31 |
54. Sh! Facts have no place in this argument! |
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Debi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 04:12 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. And less expensive than campaigning in the state that will hold the first contest n/t |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 06:04 PM Response to Reply #1 |
65. This has nothing whatsoever to do with lack of staffers |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 10:19 AM Response to Reply #65 |
81. I tell the truth too, but nobody invited me. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 11:28 AM Response to Reply #65 |
82. And telling the truth is all Dennis does. |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 03:18 PM Response to Reply #82 |
91. it's still no excuse |
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book_worm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 05:42 PM Response to Original message |
2. oh, for goodness sakes why don't they just include him? |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 06:00 PM Response to Reply #2 |
64. it's obvious why |
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slick8790 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 07:27 PM Response to Reply #2 |
69. Oh for goodness sake, why can't he just have the one staffer to meet the requirements? |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 05:45 PM Response to Original message |
3. Why can't party leaders see |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 08:07 PM Response to Reply #3 |
16. because NOT pulling these tactics... |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 09:32 PM Response to Reply #16 |
24. Of course. |
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patrioticintellect (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 05:46 PM Response to Reply #24 |
60. My diagnosis |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 08:16 PM Response to Reply #60 |
93. Good diagnosis. n/t |
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CaliforniaPeggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 05:50 PM Response to Original message |
4. I suspect they're trying to exclude him |
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Debi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 02:53 PM Response to Reply #4 |
46. Oh, California Peggy, please don't think so poorly of us Iowans |
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CaliforniaPeggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 04:07 PM Response to Reply #46 |
55. My dear Debi! |
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Debi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 04:13 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. Thank you Peggy |
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MaggieSwanson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 05:16 AM Response to Reply #46 |
76. I know the name of his contact person in Iowa |
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Debi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 11:44 AM Response to Reply #76 |
85. MAGGIE!!! Are you back??? You have been missed and REALLY missed! |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 12:40 PM Response to Reply #46 |
87. Refused? |
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MuseRider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 05:55 PM Response to Original message |
5. Gee I dunno. |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 09:09 PM Response to Reply #5 |
21. That's where we're heading: "Don't worry about voting, |
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MuseRider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 10:59 PM Response to Reply #21 |
30. All you have to do |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 02:25 AM Response to Reply #30 |
39. Yes, if someone says they're a Democrat and |
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Bluzmann57 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 06:03 PM Response to Original message |
6. Well I've checked and checked |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 06:06 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. That's a point. In order to be taken seriously, you gotta be serious yourself. |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 06:24 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Hmmmm so what you are saying is that |
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bluedog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 07:37 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. what they are saying is:.........if Dennis wants |
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druidity33 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 08:30 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. i'm sure |
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superkia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 09:36 PM Response to Reply #12 |
25. So what everyone wants is what everyone complains about? |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 10:31 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. If he doesn't have the money |
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maxanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 03:00 PM Response to Reply #28 |
48. fear not |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 07:41 PM Response to Reply #48 |
72. Again |
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renie408 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 08:08 PM Response to Reply #8 |
17. Well, conversely, what do you think Kucinich's ignoring Iowa says to the people there? |
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BuelahWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 04:10 PM Response to Reply #8 |
56. DK has been a politician for how long now? |
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penguin7 (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 08:00 PM Response to Reply #6 |
13. Dennis is not exactly rolling in corporate dollars |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 03:28 AM Response to Reply #13 |
40. If he can't raise enough money to even open an office |
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superkia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 02:00 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Its too bad money is what decides who runs our country. |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 06:08 PM Response to Reply #40 |
67. You exclude people according to how much money they have? |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 07:40 PM Response to Reply #67 |
71. If he can't raise enough money |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 11:32 AM Response to Reply #13 |
83. There are lots of non-corporate dollars that Obama raised. |
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ISUGRADIA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 12:38 PM Response to Reply #13 |
86. He's not rolling in dollars period |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 12:51 PM Response to Reply #13 |
89. He isn't exactly rolling on non-corporate dollars either |
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Peregrine Took (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 07:07 PM Response to Original message |
9. I like DK but I can never 100% forgive him for siding with Edwards in 2004 |
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JNelson6563 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 02:48 PM Response to Reply #9 |
45. The irony of the OP |
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maxanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 03:07 PM Response to Reply #9 |
49. so |
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Debi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 05:51 PM Response to Reply #9 |
61. Are you kidding me? How many caucuses have you attended that you're such an expert? |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 07:25 PM Response to Reply #9 |
68. Dean was never really an anti-war candidate anyway. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 07:34 PM Response to Reply #9 |
70. Forgiveness is divine. |
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illinoisprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 07:14 PM Response to Original message |
10. it's not Iowa's Steak Fry. it's Harkin's. DK needs to talk to him about the slight. |
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hayu_lol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 07:32 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. check the polls: |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 08:44 PM Response to Reply #10 |
19. Harkin will be hearing from me about ignoring a fellow Dem in this way. |
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pstans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 08:05 PM Response to Original message |
14. Kucinich hasn't campaigned in Iowa |
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Broke Dad (345 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 08:50 PM Response to Reply #14 |
20. Dennis has no staff and no office in Iowa |
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Yukari Yakumo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 01:29 AM Response to Reply #20 |
38. Let's see here... |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 08:06 PM Response to Original message |
15. HR676 would put the AARP out of business. n/t |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 10:13 PM Response to Reply #15 |
27. You hit that nail on the head. nt |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 09:26 PM Response to Original message |
23. Others on this thread are saying that because he didn't set up offices, he shouldn't be included. |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 09:52 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Dozens of people are running |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 11:49 PM Response to Reply #26 |
32. There should be a limit obviously - 100's of people are actually running according |
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Debi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 02:58 PM Response to Reply #23 |
47. But he can set up an office in Nevada and campaign in Hawaii? |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-15-07 10:34 PM Response to Original message |
29. If DK isn't there, who will tell Iowa the truth? |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 12:53 AM Response to Reply #29 |
35. Iowans don't want to hear the truth about ethanol. Why would they want to hear any other truth? |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 01:24 AM Response to Reply #29 |
36. Perhaps if he would open up a campaign office and hire just one staffer in Iowa, |
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penguin7 (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 12:17 AM Response to Original message |
33. interesting thread at Kucinich website on Iowa |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 12:37 AM Response to Original message |
34. I am so sick of those ethanol peddlers in Iowa! |
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Blue Gardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 02:35 PM Response to Reply #34 |
43. I'm equally sick of the Iowa bashing |
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emmadoggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 03:26 PM Response to Reply #43 |
50. I'm sick of it too. |
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IA_Seth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 10:13 PM Response to Reply #34 |
73. Shitty little state? |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 05:55 AM Response to Reply #34 |
79. "A shitty little state" |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 10:02 AM Response to Reply #34 |
80. Wow, you've really got a bug up the butt about Iowa huh? |
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youthere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 11:37 AM Response to Reply #34 |
84. What an incredibly offensive and thoroughly ignorant statement. |
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ISUGRADIA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 12:44 PM Response to Reply #34 |
88. "Shitty little state" very classy |
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Bluzmann57 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 07:37 PM Response to Reply #34 |
92. Well, let me think |
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Progressive Friend (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 01:28 AM Response to Original message |
37. America's "open society" is apparently not "open" to candidates who oppose war with Iran |
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IA_Seth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 10:15 PM Response to Reply #37 |
74. Oh the horror... |
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cleveramerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 06:09 AM Response to Original message |
41. SOUR GRAPES from DK |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 02:40 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Who's "WE?" nt |
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cleveramerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 03:43 PM Response to Reply #44 |
51. 85% of democrats |
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AZ Criminal JD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 06:05 PM Response to Reply #51 |
66. Every candidate has less than 50% support |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 05:59 PM Response to Reply #41 |
63. way to promote democracy there |
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cleveramerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 05:02 AM Response to Reply #63 |
75. There are two sides of Fair |
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Yukari Yakumo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 05:41 AM Response to Reply #41 |
77. "dismal"? |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 03:48 PM Response to Original message |
52. Excluding Kucinich from the debate on health care, when he's the only one |
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cobalt1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
53. I'm not a Kucinich fan, but |
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Debi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 05:56 PM Response to Reply #53 |
62. Does that mean that you would have excluded Kerry and Edwards in 2003? |
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cobalt1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 02:52 PM Response to Reply #62 |
90. Probably. |
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Yukari Yakumo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 05:47 AM Response to Reply #53 |
78. I'm thinking this too |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 04:15 PM Response to Original message |
59. Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel were not invited by Mr. Harkin |
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