Steak Fry Official Thread #3

[Colobo]

Edwards: You can't just declare yourself a change candidate by standing on a podium.

[Colobo]

1. Edwards: Honesty, sincerity, principles. If you can't be honest with Americans

you can't be president.

[liberal renegade]

25. tell that to George Bush....

[Colobo]

2. Edwards: We need to restore trust between American and the president, and

between the President and the World.

[Terri S]

3. Tells people...'Trust your heart'

[Colobo]

5. Edwards and Obama rocked the house. Hillary did OK.

[Colobo]

4. Edwards: When you decide, trust your heart!

[Terri S]

6. Nice speech n/t

[Colobo]

7. Biden next.

[Debi]

8. Yep, Iowans are gracious....

:P

[Terri S]

9. Nothing said that we all don't agree with

[Terri S]

12. George Bush made it abundantl clear he will not end this war

One of us is going to have to end the war he started . That is deadly serious!

[Colobo]

10. Biden thanks Iowa for being gracious.

[Colobo]

11. Biden: This is serious stuff.

[Colobo]

13. Biden: One of us will have to end what Bush started, and that's serious business.

[Colobo]

14. Biden: 4 years after, Iraq is a disaster.

[Terri S]

15. discussing the mess in Iraq ...

yet president had the audacity to say his strategy is working.

[Terri S]

16. How many more angels have to fall

before this folly ends?

[Colobo]

17. Biden: How many more angels have to fall before this ends?

[Colobo]

18. Biden: Petraeus, you and I know the war is not making us safer.

[Terri S]

19. Focus on 3 regions in Iraq

can't govern centrally

[Colobo]

20. Biden: I got a plan. Diplomatic surge. International Conference on Iraq.

[John Q. Citizen]

54. that's right out of the Kucinich bill in front of congress. Glad to see Biden supports

that.

However, I doubt the rest of the world will get on board unless the US announces in no uncertain terms that we are leaving completely and we appleal for UN peace keeping forces paid for by us to replace our troops and mercenaries as we withdraw.

[Debi]

21. Start a diplomatic surge in Iraq and always provide for our troops. n/t

[Colobo]

22. Biden: Always provide the troops with what they need.

[Colobo]

23. Biden: Focus on Pakistan, Afghanistan

[Colobo]

24. Biden: "Some of us like to say this is Bush's war, but it's America's future"

[Colobo]

26. Biden: "We better tell the truth. It won't be a campaign, it won't be a game. It'll be deadly"

[Terri S]

27. Until we end this war

we can't address the other issues addressed today

[Terri S]

31. Public funding of elections to stop the obscene amount of money that goes into campaigns

YES!

[Debi]

28. In order to accomplish any of our goals we have to end this war n/t

[Colobo]

29. Biden: "We all share a common goal, UHC, education, strong unions, etc."

[Debi]

30. PUBLIC FUNDING OF ELECTIONS!!! N/T

[Colobo]

32. Biden: "Public funding for elections to stop this absurd amount of money being spent"

[Colobo]

33. Biden: "I will restore America's position in the world."

[Terri S]

34. God bless America and may God bless our troops -- end of speech n/t

[Colobo]

35. Biden got a nice applause.

[goodgd_yall]

36. Biden: God bless america, and god bless our troops

[Terri S]

37. Funny Kucinich was not there.. n/t

[Debi]

39. Here's a thread regarding that

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3523572&mesg_id=3523572

[Terri S]

46. Well THAT sucks!

I'd say Kooch has more support than Biden and Dodd too... even without the supposed polls. Not fair! He should have been there.

[Debi]

52. I'm sure there is more to it - Kucinich has barely campaigned in Iowa

Doesn't have an Iowa contact or Iowa staff or Iowa headquarters. I've never known Tom Harkin to be unfair.

[MuseRider]

57. When you want a candidate

who is not beholden to corporations or other big money you have to be ready to accept that he will not be able to do the same things as the bought and sold candidates are. What a bind this man finds himself in.

[Debi]

59. Baloney - in 2003 he wasn't beholden to corporations or big money

and he chose to campaign in Iowa - he is openning a headquarters in Nevada and is travelling to Florida and Hawaii to campaign. He's intentionally snubbing Iowa and then crying victim. I'd like to hear from the campaign when they knew about this event - when they contacted the Harkin campaign about attending and when they found out they would not be included. What do you be it was a missed opportunity b/c Kucinich had no one in Iowa to communicate with Tom Harkin's staff?

[MuseRider]

63. Perhaps Harkin and

his staff and the state of Iowa just are not aware yet that he is running?

[Debi]

66. From Kucnich's press release:

"Representatives of both events have falsely claimed that Kucinich does not have a sufficiently "active organization" in Iowa."

Maybe having - at the very least - a person in Iowa that organizers of events can contact?

Kucinich does not seep to be running for President in Iowa - Just Hawaii, Florida, Nevada and other nice vacation spots throughout the US

[MuseRider]

77. Oh that is a good one ha ha!

We all know Kucinich as the vacation candidate frivolously spending his campaign contributions willy nilly to have a great time. Priceless.

[maxanne]

67. Kucinich

is rating higher in the polls than Dodd or Biden - but they were both there. It's money that matters, apparently.

[Debi]

68. No it's running for president that matters -

Kucinich has NO Iowa organization (maybe he has supporters but has not bothered to designate any of them as a campaign coordinator) He has enough money to fly to Hawaii and campaign and to Florida and campaign and to open a headquarters in Nevada - but not enough to open a phone line in Iowa.


6 events in Iowa since January
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/2008-presidential-candidates/tracker/candidates/dennis-kucinich/states/iowa

36 events in California - guess it's cheaper to campaign in CA?
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/2008-presidential-candidates/tracker/candidates/dennis-kucinich/states/

[maxanne]

70. what you're saying

is that it IS money that matters.

It's okay, Debi. You can have a candidate with a big corporate purse. There are plenty of them to choose from.

[Debi]

71. Are you telling me that the best way to become president is to ignore

the people who will participate in the first contest in the primary process and instead campaign in Hawaii where their Democratic contest is scheduled for February 19th?

It's not money it's organization. Iowa is not an expensive state to organize (and Kucinich knows this b/c he ran here in 2003).

And I am totally undecided in this contest - so don't presume I've decided on a corporate funded candidate (and don't forget that I helped Kucinich in 2003).

[maxanne]

75. It's darned hard

to have organization without money - as you should know, if you helped DK in 2003.

As for undecided - you may be - but everything you've had to say indicates you've written off the candidates who aren't sucking the corporate teat.

[Debi]

79. Thank you for being so presumtive. n/t

[rucky]

72. funny odd, or funny ha-ha? n/t

[jillan]

38. I would be proud to vote for any one of them!

[sandnsea]

48. compared to 2003

I was just thinking how boring it was. We had Dean, Kucinich, Sharpton, Carol, Kerry, Edwards - it was a much better field. Something is definitely missing. Maybe 60% of the party is discouraged that we're going to end up with Hillary.

:shrug:

[Colobo]

40. Obama is with the people!

[Debi]

41. Someone just asked Obama to come to nebraska n/t

[Terri S]

42. Obama down in crowd hugging and shaking hands

Lots of supporters!

[Debi]

43. Biden is with his supporters - down in front n/t

[Colobo]

44. Now Edwards, Biden with the crowd.

[jillan]

45. Biden supporter giving Elizabeth a hug and wishing her luck

[Colobo]

47. Elizabeth Edwards is hanging out with the crowd.

[Debi]

49. Elizabeth Edwards with the crowd - Biden just went into the whole crowd! n/t

[Colobo]

50. Hillarites chanting "Clinton! Clinton!"

[Terri S]

51. Hillary crowd chanting now

[Debi]

53. Obama in the crowd now n/t

[jillan]

55. That's it - I'm moving to Iowa!

[Debi]

56. It is an amazing experience!

But the smaller events (not these big hand shake/photo op events) where you get to actually have a conversation with the candidates are priceless!! It's a real honor.

[Pirate Smile]

60. This cracked me up from John Deeth's blog: "one woman was spotted cheering John Edwards through a

Hillary megaphone while wearing a Biden shirt."

LOL

http://jdeeth.blogspot.com/

[jillan]

61. Proud to be a Democrat today!

[Debi]

62. Great to be an Iowan!!! n/t

[jillan]

64. Go ahead - rub it in :)

I enjoyed this more than the debates.

It really showcased their personalities.

[Debi]

58. Biden still in the middle of his supporters n/t

[Colobo]

65. Hillary is still hanging out with her people.

[democrat2thecore]

69. Aren't we GEEKS?

For some reason, looking at the thread title "Steak Fry Official Thread #3" and knowing we're all sitting here watching and writing about a steak fry in Iowa on a beautiful Sunday afternoon! What GEEKS!! (But don't 'ya love it?)

[rucky]

73. I'm just a wannabe geek.

Reading the thread & trying to catch a play-by-play.

My daughter's got her TV time right now, and Dora just made a very eloquent speech about a big red chicken.

[jillan]

76. When people ask me what my favorite show is, and I answer C-Span

they look at me like I'm nuts.

What can I say?

[ChiciB1]

78. Just Tell "Em You Belong To Mensa!! I'm A C-Span Junky Myself! n/t

[LWolf]

74. That's the fucking truth.

Of course, it's also true that you can't achieve change by excluding the change candidates.