Why I'll be voting for Kucinich in my primary

[cali]

It's simple: His ideas are right. And that's enough for me. I don't have any illusions about his winning a single primary. I don't even know that he'd make a particularly effective President, but his ideas deserve endorsement.

Single Payer healthcare and REAL withdrawal from Iraq are too compelling for me to step away from.

I don't think Kucinich has any illusions himself. I believe he's running to broadcast his ideas- and I mean that in the agricultural sense- sewing seeds. And I admire him for that.

[Dr.Phool]

1. Same here.

[elias7]

2. just pasted on my Kucinich 08 bumper sticker

[Totally Committed]

3. He's got my Primary vote, now, too.

For all the reasons you stated, and more.

TC

[cali]

4. Good. What are your other

reasons for supporting Kucinich?

[Totally Committed]

9. I like that he's the only candidate so far that proposes a single-payer plan

for Universal Healthcare. I like that he's a candidate who is for immediate withdrawal from Iraq. He supports women's right to choose. He's pro-peace/anti-war. He's anti-death penalty. His integrity is impeccable on all these and other issues.

TC

[rjones2818]

14. It's fascinating that Iowa's AARP

didn't invite him to the health care forum their holding this coming Thursday, particularly since he's the only one supporting single payer.

[Totally Committed]

17. I quit AARP over their position on Plan D....

They don't represent me. They are a bunch of Conservative ass-kissers, and they have not got my best interests at the core of their representation. I'm tired of supporting entities that no longer support me.

TC

[satya]

21. Not so surprising, considering AARP sells insurance. nt

[maxanne]

56. AARP

Isn't in favor of single payer.

[cali]

5. Ugh. I just noticed I wrote "sewing" for "sowing'

Hate when I do that.

[patrioticintellect]

6. I'm voting Kucinich in the primary and writing him in for the November Election

Kucinich has all the progressive policies that the Democratic Party's nominee should have. The rest are weak spineless Democrats. Americans will get more of the same kind of candidates that have had a tough time beating Republicans in the past two presidential election. You can say, "Oh, it was the voting machines." And I have seen the proof but look if they get that, they've only one by 2-5%. That's pathetic. That much over a Republican? Are you kidding me? And you can say, "Oh, they disenfranchise black people in Ohio and Florida." Yes, they did but let's tack on another 2-3% at most for that. So, you've got a Democratic candidate winning by 8%? Tack that on to either of these past Democratic presidential candidates and they are barely above 55% of the vote.

Democrats have failed to articulate policies with absolute clarity, they have failed to be different from Republicans before they get out of the primary so that they can truly be a different party----now the two have converged, and they have let corporate powers dictate what they do and say so that the people lose. Kucinich is standing up against that. The leadership in the Democratic Party is trying to keep him down like they did in 2004.

We the People of the United States of America must go out in the streets with Kucinich campaign materials and spread the word in the same way we spread the word with signs that say, "No More War" "Stop Funding Wars" "Bring the Troops Home" or "Honk to Impeach". Everyone make a sign that says "Honk to Vote Dennis Kucinich". This is our way out of always having to protest. Unless you are getting paid to protest, throw down your negative anti-war signs which make people uncomfortable and pick up a group of peace signs with Dennis Kucinich's name on them. Go out and preach how American can be better if we give up on the media, give up on making these other candidates who we think "can win", and put all our energy into making the man who "should win" into the next American president of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!!!

LET'S ACHIEVE STRENGTH THROUGH PEACE PEOPLE! One of our own in the White House! Don't we all want to scare the corporate powers? Don't we all want to show them we are sick of their crap? Vote Dennis and campaign for him with confidence!

[cali]

7. That makes me do a slow burn.

Well, actually not that slow. Writing him in in a general does nothing but aid REPUKES> Thanks a whole fucking lot.

[patrioticintellect]

8. No problem

...I'm going to vote third party too if it makes you feel any better. Stay blind to logic and rationality. It will only help continue bad policy and lack of reform in America.

[cali]

11. Three little words:

The Supreme Court. Stay blind to logic and rationalitiy. It will only help continue the bad policy, bad judges, no accountability and lack of reform.

And don't going blowing the fucking third party whistle on DU. It's against the rules.

[patrioticintellect]

13. Don't tell me what to do

I'm not going to listen to you.

[Debi]

31. Maybe you'll listen to the Admins rules then?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules_detailed.html

<snip>

You are not permitted to use this message board to work for the defeat of the Democratic Party nominee for any political office. If you wish to work for the defeat of any Democratic candidate in any General Election, then you are welcome to use someone else's bandwidth on some other website.


<snip>

[jgraz]

42. The SCOTUS is already gone, thanks to lesser-of-two-evils Democrats

There's really nothing left to scare people into supporting another Rethug-lite. Democrats are going to have to get votes the old-fashioned way: earn them.

[rjones2818]

15. If the choice is between bad and worse,

I'll do the same or not vote.

Go Dennis! :woohoo:
http://dennis4president.com
Choose Peace!

[Totally Committed]

19. Ditto here. eom

TC

[Oldenuff]

49. I'll do the same thing.........

My vote won't go to another "lesser of 2 evils candidate" and I refuse to "hold my nose" when I vote anymore.Furthermore,I won't compromise my principles by voting for another "same old same old" candidate.

This old "Give me a good candidate,(or at least a Democrat) attitude,doesn't cut it anymore.

I'll write Dennis in,even if he is not the "official" nominee.

[DemBones DemBones]

28. I agree with you. I'm not going to vote for the lesser of two evils.

Been there, done that, never got anything out of it but grief. The Democrats have got power in Congress now and what are they doing??? What was the first thing the new Speaker of the House said? "Impeachment is off the table."

She didn't have to say that.

She could have avoided answering questions about impeachment by saying "It's too early to talk about that" or "No comment."

But she gave the ball to the other team!!!


That's how Democrats snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, time after time.

[satya]

10. Also he vowed to withdraw from NAFTA and WTO on his first day in office. nt

[cali]

12. And I want people to hear why

NAFTA is so detrimental. That's why I support him. Not because he'll ever make it to a first day in office.

[rjones2818]

16. Then we'll have NAFT and the WTO to deal with

for the whole time the next administration's in office.

[patrioticintellect]

18. He doesn't want your support...

...if that's the attitude you are going to take. A defeatist mentality has no place in this campaign.

[cali]

24. take your own *&%%##

advice. Don't tell me what to do. And don't speak for Kucinich unless you know that he doesn't want my support. I'm a realist. I know he doesn't stand a chance.

[Tom Rinaldo]

20. I might

I live in New York State so to me it is a forgone conclusion who will win the primary here. My actual primary vote is completely meaningless in effecting the shape of the race, and any on the ground efforts I could undertake here inside New York (regardless of whether they were pro or anti Hillary) would not change how the NY primary vote would effect the dymanics of the Presidential race, assumning there still is one when New York votes.

So a vote for Kucinich in New York would just be a gesture to point out to the powers to be that there are Democrats listening to what Kucinich has to say and they should also.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

22. I'm with you on all these points!

You've stated it so very clearly and well just why I will be voting for him in my primary too...

K&R

:yourock:

[sellitman]

23. I will vote for DK until he isn't on the ballot.

Only once he is gone will I vote for another Democrat.

Those on this thread that won't vote for whoever is the Democratic nominee need have their head examined. I recall King Ralph saying the same thing as they are...no difference between the Dems and the Repugs. The only problem with this is only history. If the last 71/2 years hasn't taught you the difference between the parties then perhaps you are outta yer friggin minds!

[cali]

25. AMEN!!

[superkia]

26. Clinton scares me more than a republican. Kucinich has my vote!

[sellitman]

29. As much as I dislike Clinton

And I truly do.

You haven't been paying attention.

She is 1000x better than any of the Repugs.

[superkia]

32. I paid attention, I think it would hurt America and our rights even more.

If a republican somehow got in office, the whole world would be scrutinizing them and doing what they could to keep them straight, where as with Clinton, I think people believe she is like a savior for the American people and would trust her to be judge, jury and executioner without thinking twice. She throws around that terrorist word like she were a republican and that tells me she likes the Americans giving up freedom for protection. That bothers me, along with other policy issues like voting for the oil war and continuing to fund it.

She likes using her husband like it means something about her and people believe it. This is from her in 2002 before voting for the war:

And perhaps my decision is influenced by my eight years of experience on the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue in the White House watching my husband deal with serious challenges to our nation.

In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001.

Saddam Hussein is a tyrant who has tortured and killed his own people, even his own family members, to maintain his iron grip on power. He used chemical weapons on Iraqi Kurds and on Iranians, killing over 20 thousand people. Unfortunately, during the 1980's, while he engaged in such horrific activity, he enjoyed the support of the American government, because he had oil and was seen as a counterweight to the Ayatollah Khomeini in Iran.

She knew that oil played a role in our government supporting Saddam in the 80's but somehow didn't know that oil played a role in the war? Dennis Kucinich said it was for oil back in 2002 when he had the same information she had. She sounded just like Bush and in my opinion she is a wolf in sheep's clothing. She is a republican, hiding as a democrat and to me thats worse, I want to know what she is and what she stands for, at least the republicans can be seen for what they are.

[patrioticintellect]

35. "at least the Republicans can be seen for what they are"

That's what scares me about Democrats. I don't trust them.

[superkia]

36. Not all democrats, I know I trust Kucinich's word. He has been very...

straightforward, even back in 2002 when he voted against the war and said the war was for oil. You have to love a candidate that will be honest with the American people at crucial times. No blood on Dennis Kucinich's hands, I cant talk for the other candidates on that one, maybe some of their supporters can. His vision, honesty and courage to speak out on behalf of the American people makes him presidential in my book but I know most Americans want a career politician running the country because they are worried more about their own agendas? Wait does that make sense? No but thats the American sheeple for you, brainwashed by the media and the system!

[patrioticintellect]

46. I am a Kucinich Supporter through and through

But I don't think he is the entire answer. Yet, he will support working towards a multiparty system in America, I believe, So, I can support third parties and DK. It's wonderful. No other Democratic candidate allows me to do that.

[cali]

38. The Supreme Court

and The Supreme Court. If Hillary scares you more than Rudi, Mitt or Fred, I think you're certifiable.

[superkia]

41. Heres a scenario for ya...

If you had only two choices which would you pick: You need a bus driver to drive your child to school, would you want candidate A or candidate B?

Candidate A's name is repub and he is a known alcoholic on probation.

Candidate B's name is Demi and is an alcoholic but most don't know and they trust him and he knows they trust him. Matter of fact hes paraded on the media as a great driver.

Now obviously your answer is neither but in this case we have only two choices. Now both have a chance they may do something wrong and have a problem with alcohol, which one is more likely to sneak a drink while your not paying attention, the one thats being watched or the trusted one?

I guess I'm crazy!

[cali]

44. you said it.

and you are. I'm thinking shit house rats, here. Your comparison between drunk bus drivers was so fucking stupid that i can only hope that people like you, who cannot see the difference between a dem administration even if headed by Hillary Clinton, and a repuke admin headed by Fred, Rudi, or mitt, are very few and far between.

[superkia]

48. How can I become normal LIKE YOU? What are the standards?

Call me crazy, call me stupid, whatever you like. I still feel the same way about Clinton, so no matter how much you attack me personally, I will still have my own beliefs. Maybe in your next post you could explain how you feel about the politics you believe in instead attacking someone. Go back to watching Fox news and let me know when you learn something worth talking about. Until then I will skip all the negative comments from you. Just because people are different and have different views than you, doesn't make them the problem. What a true politician you are, trash someone if they have a different point of view.

Good job, have a wonderful night sweetheart :loveya:

[cali]

50. I already explained it. n/t

[patrioticintellect]

34. The last 7 and 1/2 years...

...have taught me that the Democrats are spineless, gutless, and hapless politicians who are have failed the American people. And if they were different from Republicans, they would be doing something right now.

[superkia]

37. Yes most of them are playing the same board game with our lives.

The best way to describe the political system is by looking at WWE wrestling. They hate each other on tv, there are always new scandals and villains popping up to keep you guessing, they switch positions from time to time and then after they put their show on for the American people, they smile, laugh and chat like buddies together.

I have yet to see Dennis Kucinich play that game though, he has been pretty honest and admirable for speaking out for the American people.

[penguin7]

27. K&R

I am voting for him because I want him to win, but I do not understand why your reasons do not have more traction.

[Vinca]

30. Today, after hearing Hillary's wonderful healthcare plan, I decided

not only to vote for Kucinich in the primary, but to write him in when November rolls around. He's the only one who "gets" it.

[cali]

40. The Supreme Court,

The Supreme Court. The Supreme Court. At least two of the more reasonable people on that court will be retiring or dying in the next 5 years. Handing the Court to repukes, shouldn't be something you're willing to live with.

should it happen, in a close election between Hillary and Fred Thompson, due to people like you, you WILL be responsible for the end of Roe v. Wade. The contined erosion of our civil rights and the disappearance of the wall between Church and State.

If you can live with that, fine. I won't be forgiving.

[Vinca]

55. Lighten up, cali. Everyone has a bad day.

When I hear yet another candidate serving up universal insurance instead of universal healthcare, it pisses me off. Especially when my leg is throbbing from an injury 3 years ago on the treadmill that I can't afford to have treated. When the time comes, if she's the nominee, I'll close my eyes, hold my nose and pull the lever. Now . . . pass the Aleve.

[cali]

58. Thanks, I needed that.

I guess we all have our "trigger" issues.

[krabigirl]

33. I'll probably be voting for Kucinich, also.

Even though I know he won't win, I agree with his ideas the most.

[superkia]

39. I think that if people here what he stands for and his history on the war...

he could very well win. We just need to get everyone to get the unelectable thing out of their minds and personally promote him in our own circles. Fuck the media and their agenda, we are more important than the corporations.

[Prince Paul]

43. It's not even a difficult choice

Kucinich is the only liberal democrat running.

[cali]

45. I'm just hoping that not too many of his

supporters are like the people on this thread who won't vote for the eventual dem nominee, or who won't vote if HRC is the candidate.

[patrioticintellect]

47. Yea.

Those people really suck.

[LWolf]

51. Here is how to bring us along.

If Dennis doesn't win the nomination, the candidate that does should endorse HR 676, H Res. 333, and H.R. 808. He/she should adopt the Kucinich plan for getting out of Iraq, and offer a place in the cabinet to Kucinich.

I'd be thrilled if Dennis simply replaced Pelosi as speaker, but I don't think the presidential nominee can do that, lol.

Kucinich voters are idealists; we're also issues voters. A candidate who got on board the key issues would win our vote. Not with their lesser plans, but with the best we've got, which come from DK.

[cali]

52. That's just not going to happen.

And I obviously didn't make myself clear enough in my OP. I'm voting for Dennis as an endorsement of his ideas. I actually don't think he'd be an effective prez. He's not an effective Representative. Compare him to Bernie Sanders who, in his years in Congress, got more Amendments passed than any other rep, dem or repuke. Kucinich hasn't been able to pass any meaningful legislation. Governing is not just about having good ideas- that's the easy part- it's about translating those ideas into effective legislation.

[eridani]

53. I'll vote for any Dem, including Hillary, in the general

Getting real, we don't yet have the organizational strength to do an end run around the corporate noise machine, but pushing the Kucinich candidacy as far as we can go with it will help us to build that organization. We are further along with that than in 2004. I don't care about electability--this isn't about him, it's about his issues.

Third parties at the national level piss me off because they don't even bother with trying to find PCOs to build locally first for the future--it's nothing but a fuck you nonparticipant gesture without organizational structure that exists between elections.

[cyclezealot]

54. Even with Kucinich it's not about him.

It's about his issues. Kucinich is one of the most humble of politicians. He will not betray his constituents, no matter what cost it is to himself. That is why this family totally admires his bravery.

[Senator]

57. kick