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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 04:10 PM
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Hillary Clinton: It Takes A Woman - and A Village
I have no favorite in the Democratic primary. Barring unusual circumstances, it is unlikely that I will have a favorite candidate before the end of the primaries. That said, I do believe a few things need to be said about Senator Hillary Clinton☼. No, I'm not talking about the fact that she has of late warmed up to the netroots, that her campaign was a vocal supporter of Daily Kos and the netroots against Fox News' fraudulent charges, that she was one of the early supporters of groups like Media Matters and the Center for American Progress, or that she has been endorsed by netroots-hero former Ambassador Joseph Wilson and another netroots-hero General Wesley Clark. Oh, it's not about her health care plan, either.

I'm talking about the significant implications of the fact that she is a very accomplished, intelligent, strong and capable woman who has long been in the midst of strong, aggressive, sometimes chauvinistic men in Congress and been a long time target of the vast Republican misinformation machine.

1. Strong woman meets powerful, insecure men

There has always been a glass ceiling for women. That the U.S. has never ever elected a female President is an indicator that the ceiling is particularly high when it comes to Presidential politics. Breaking the ceiling can be a challenging exercise even for strong and accomplished women because of insecure men in positions of power who cannot deal with them. Women sometimes have to do a lot more and appear stronger than a man in a comparable position to command the same amount of respect or achieve the same career success. Yet, women who do even the exact same things that most men do are sometimes portrayed negatively despite and because of that. According to this portrayal, when a man does it, it is a sign of self-confidence, vision, and strength of character but when a woman does it, it is the opposite - she's labeled cold, harsh, calculating, overbearing, or non-feminine.

The reason I'm bringing this up is that Senator Clinton has long been portrayed in the media as having a somewhat cold or calculating persona who would do anything to stay in power - even if it meant compromising on her principles. Whether that portrayal is in fact accurate every time has barely been explored and some progressives, who are otherwise skeptical of media narratives about Democrats, seem to buy into it.

2. Strong woman meets the vast and powerful Republican misinformation machine

The American media has been dominated by conservatives for at least a couple of decades, if not more. Soon after former President Bill Clinton and then-First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton arrived in D.C., Clinton-hatred became the de facto operating philosophy of the self-crowned media elite in the country. In a real capitalist democracy, the enormously fraudulent campaign by the American media elite against the Clintons would have been sufficient to forever banish most of the offenders - the so-called "journalists", "reporters", "editors", op-ed columnists and all the other gasbags on radio and TV, especially in the Beltway, who participated in it - from the media. However, the obvious lack of an efficient capitalist structure in the United States, due to the conservative dominance over the traditional media, meant that fraud, incompetence and lying about the Clintons and Democrats was actually rewarded - especially during the second half of Bill Clinton's presidency when the American public overwhelmingly rejected the false traditional media coverage. The result was that Sen. Clinton was dealt a double-whammy. She was in the unfortunate position of:

Being a strong woman detested by powerful, sometimes insecure, often conservative men in Congress, and
Being irrationally hated by the even more insecure charlatans occupying powerful positions in the media

http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/011029.php

A very good read.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 04:20 PM
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1. Actually, it takes a village of women as well as men.
Any woman, who becomes queen, or more accurately a national leader, hould not rely on just men to prop up her power. I really believe that this has been the failure of many queens, that of not giving talented women positions of power and prestige equal to the same power they give the men. That goes for Queen Elizabeth I as well and why her monarchy didn't become a role model for future queens. Any woman President will need to surround herself with both talented women and men to become a credible model for change. Other than that, she's just another Cleopatra, Queen Elizabeth I or Maggie Thatcher.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 04:22 PM
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2. She has her King.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 07:37 AM
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3. ...
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 07:44 AM
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4. No, it takes a leader who is genuine and trusted by The American People.
HRC will flunk this test. If not in the primaries - definitely in the G.E.

IMO, The American People lose (both The Presidency and The Congress) if we choose to nominate HRC for the Democratic Presidential Ticket. :(
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 08:00 AM
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5. Incorrect! People are looking for Leadership bringing the country back
to the ideals it once had as a mission and goals needing to be accomplished. Our country has veered off into the Neoconic version of America. No one running in the presidential campaign knows that better than the Clintons. No one running in this campaign is better equipped than they are to set this country straight, back on the path to the America that made us proud to be Americans.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 08:11 AM
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6. Yes, the lightening rods who are, two each, The Clintons, would ensure scandals 24/7
Both "the left" and "the right" are tired of your heroine and her husband. To add insult to injury, we'll have another risk of Big Dawg grabbing young women's asses in The Oval Office. Oh yeah, 24/7 scandal reporting and NOTHING getting done because her negative coat tails will usher in a Republican Controlled Congress.

Just like the 90s but we will remain involved in two occupations, a bombing of another nation and the darkness of a profound recession. :crazy:
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 08:20 AM
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7. Ridiculous propaganda ...
What I've come to know seeing your posts on this board relentlessly attacking the Clintons IS you are obsessed with them. No one in their right mind can take your posts seriously because of the blind hatred used as the driving force of your posts backed by RW talking points..You're addicted to your own venom and you need a daily fix to get through the day...

Have at it my friend...you get nothing but sympathy from me for your obsessive compulsive addiction.
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 12:12 PM
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10. And she is not it with her flip and flops depending on the way the wind blows.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 03:04 PM
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11. She's INIT TO WIN!
so there!

:nuke: :nuke: :nuke:
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 11:58 AM
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8. "I have no favorite in the Democratic primary."
were you able to type that with a straight face? :rofl:
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 12:01 PM
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9. If you read the link, you would know those are not my words.
Edited on Tue Sep-18-07 12:03 PM by William769
Anyone who knows me, knows I have a favorite.
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