Poll: Dems Back Clinton On Health Care

[wyldwolf]

As Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton unveils her health care plan today, Democratic primary voters express more confidence in her ability to handle health care than in her chief Democratic rivals, Senator Barack Obama and former Senator John Edwards, a new CBS News poll finds.

Sixty-one percent of those who plan to vote in a Democratic primary express confidence in Clinton’s ability to make the right decisions about health care. Forty-two percent say they have confidence in Obama, while 39 percent say they have confidence in Edwards. Forty-nine percent say Clinton would do a better job on health care than her Democratic opponents.

Registered voters see Clinton's experience with a failed health care proposal as an asset rather than a liability. Sixty-six percent of all voters, and 77 percent on Democratic primary voters, say her past experience will help her to reform health care if she becomes president. Clinton was appointed by her husband, then-President Bill Clinton, to chair a commission on health care reform in 1993. Just 25 percent of all voters, and 15 percent of Democratic primary voters, say that experience will hurt her.

Fifty-two percent of registered voters say the lack of health care reform in the 1990s was beyond Clinton's control. Only 5 percent say she was "mostly responsible" for the lack of reform, while 39 percent say they do not know enough to have an opinion. In a CBS poll in 1994, 43 percent said Clinton's involvement was one reason health care reform did not pass, while 49 percent disagreed.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/09/17/opinion/polls/main3269421.shtml

[BootinUp]

1. If I agree with the majority in the poll

I'm sure some here will insult my intelligence before long. ;)

[calteacherguy]

2. K&R. nt

[MannyGoldstein]

3. Just Think - HillaryCare Was The Only Legislation That She Ever Fought For Against The Republicans

And the Republicans hit it out of the park.

[calteacherguy]

4. Not this time!

Smarter, wiser, and we'll have a friendlier Congress!

[wyldwolf]

5. Just Think - MannyGoldstein Is Wrong Again.

But I'll let the wise one ponder his statement.

[SaveElmer]

6. Thank You, Thank You Very Much!

[liberalnurse]

8. I sold!

Where do I sign up?O8)

[Tellurian]

12. Yes, her plan has covered all the bases..

K&R

[avrdream]

28. In fairness, it doesn't cover one specific, important area.

I read the entire PDF to see if I could find any details but there isn't any mention about tort reform and doing something about rising malpractice premiums for physicians and other providers.

If insurance companies take a hit in one area, I'm scared that they will try to get their money's worth in another by increasing the malpractice rates even further, for hospitals, doctors, midwives, nurses, and so many others in the health care system.

I love the way she has tackled this issue but want an answer about tort reform. I sent an RSVP for the web conference and actually asked her about this.

I believe it is covered in John Edwards' plan but I'll have to look again.

[Tellurian]

33. Good question for the web conference..

I'm sure she'll be happy to address it for you..

[durrrty libby]

16. lol ..........you nailed that one

:rofl:

[Clintonista2]

14. So are you telling me that Republicans and Democrats had the same voting position 93% of the time?

Which is the % that Hillary voted with the Democratic party. Think before you speak next time.

[MannyGoldstein]

17. That Totally Doesn't Make Sense

What you're stating could be perfectly true, but have no bearing on what I'm stating.

[Clintonista2]

20. So the ONLY PIECE of legislation Hillary EVER FOUGHT FOR

Was Hillarycare? Meaning that every single position that Hillary has ever taken, with that one exception, Hillary has taken the side of the Republicans?

[MannyGoldstein]

22. No - She Sometimes Votes Against Them

(Although she usually votes with them on the biggest issues)

My point is that she never goes to the mat with them. She never picks a controversioal cause and really puts her butt on the line.

[Double T]

7. Not this Dem. Single payer without the corporate HMO involvement........

is the ONLY affordable solution. No corporate welfare for the HMOs and their investors.

[Colobo]

9. Her plan is good. Is probably the best thing she has.

[dflprincess]

10. Was the poll taken before or after she announced her health INSURANCE plan?

Because this Dem doesn't back it - and I don't know any who do.

[wyldwolf]

13. ah, the old "I don't know anyone who..." routine

[Clintonista2]

15. It was cold outside, therefore global warming must not exist!

[dpbrown]

18. More handouts to insurance companies is not the way to reform healthcare

We should have learned that by now.

Britain created its national health care system while rising from the ashes of WWII. This nation prides itself on being the richest nation on earth but still won't provide to its citizens the right to basic health.

[emilyg]

31. Now you do.

[Tellurian]

11. Hillary is getting a great response from the reading for comprehension public..

Hillary's American Health Choices Plan covers all Americans and improves health care by lowering costs and improving quality.
It speaks to American values, American families, and American jobs.

It puts the consumer in the driver's seat by offering more choices and lowering costs. If you're one of the tens of million Americans without coverage or if you don't like the coverage you have, you will have a choice of plans to pick from and that coverage will be affordable. Of course, if you like the plan you have, you can keep it.


* Affordable: Unlike the current health system where insurance premiums send people into bankruptcy, the plan provides tax credits for working families to help them cover their costs. The tax credits will ensure that working families never have to pay more than a limited percentage of their income for health care.

* Available: No discrimination. The insurance companies can't deny you coverage if you have a pre-existing condition.

* Reliable: It's portable. If you change or lose your job, you keep your health care.



If you have a plan you like, you keep it. If you want to change plans or aren't currently covered, you can choose from dozens of the same plans available to members of Congress, or you can opt into a public plan option like Medicare. And working families will get tax credits to help pay their premiums.


Small businesses are the engine of new job growth in the U.S. economy but face bigger challenges when it comes to providing health care for their employees. Hillary would give tax credits to small businesses that provide health care to their workers to help defray their coverage costs. This will make small businesses more competitive and help create good jobs with health benefits that will stay here in the US.


Insurance companies won't be able to deny you coverage or drop you because their computer model says you're not worth it. They will have to offer and renew coverage to anyone who applies and pays their premium. And like other things that you buy, they will have to compete for your business based on quality and price. Families will have the security of knowing that if they become ill or lose their jobs, they won't lose their coverage.


Nobody has worked harder or longer to improve health care than Hillary Clinton. From her time in Arkansas when she improved rural health care to her successful effort to create the SCHIP Children's Health Insurance program which now covers six million children, Hillary has the strength and experience to ensure that every man, woman and child in America has quality, affordable health care.

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/feature/healthcareplan/?sc=1353&utm_source=1353&utm_medium=e

[oasis]

32. A kick and recommend for post #11. (eom)

:kick:

[mark414]

19. i express my confidence in her ability to jump in bed with HMOs and insurance companies

[Auntie Bush]

21. I have no confidence in your ability to make decisions.

She is a smart woman and I'm confident she learned from her past mistakes. I'm also confident Bill has learned from his MISTAKES too. Have faith my friend.

[mark414]

23. she's one of the top recipients of health care industry donations

http://www.fiercehealthcare.com/story/healthcare-industry-leads-in-campaign-contributions/2007-06-22

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/12/nyregion/12donate.html?ex=1190174400&en=ef729597a84e6b86&ei=5070

http://money.cnn.com/2006/07/12/news/newsmakers/healthcare_clinton/index.htm

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0717-29.htm


she wouldn't get my vote for student council president

[BootinUp]

24. Watch how they fight her plan too.

That will be real indication of who it helps. To get elected in this country takes money, its a dirty game but the only other choice is not to play. Some day it would be nice to see real election reform.

[mark414]

25. they'll fight any plan for universal health care

do you think they really want that?

i watched a video of her at some campaign stop the other day and they asked her about lessons learned from the previous health care debacle when she was first lady...she stressed the need to work with and compromise with the industry.

"hey, don't chop my entire arm off! let's compromise and just cut it off at the elbow instead"

hillary represents more of the same. the status quo. i don't have a hat in the primary, but i'll most definitely be voting for somebody, if only to keep her from getting the nomination.

we've had a bush or a clinton as no. 1 or 2 in this country since 1981. 1981. we're supposed to be a democracy, not the stomping grounds for a couple of royal families...

[BootinUp]

26. I guess I don't see

the Clinton's as enemies, I see them as Democrats who learned how to win in the face of a rightward political shift that started before Bill was even nationally known. Many here argue that he caused the '94 massacre etc. But Americans had already lost faith in the liberal politics of the 70's and weren't having any of it, plus the right was super energized. Thats the way I see it.

You don't like compromise, I get it. But I have never seen a democratic system without it. Our system of government does not allow much in the way of huge change unless there is a serious collapse of some kind to get people going.

[mark414]

27. yes, sorry if i was a bit brash

i don't see the Clintons as enemies either...and I'd agree with you about the '94 massacre.

and I do understand the necessity of compromise, i think the new Attorney General is a great example of that. for the first time in 6 years i'm not all outraged about a Bush cabinet pick.

i'm generally very cynical but the idealist in me shines through from time to time...the cynic in me says it'll never happen, but the idealist in me says that no compromise with the health care industry concerning universal coverage is acceptable. if i ruled the world insurance companies and HMOs would be completely eliminated - they're an unnecessary and inefficient middle man, and exist only to take money out of our pockets. but i'm not one of those all the corporations are evil and we should kill em all! kind of guy (though i'm a long time poster on this site...so you know i can't be too fond of their excesses of wealth and power...)

i could agree with hillary on just about everything (which i don't). but i'd still be uncomfortable with the idea of her being president, for exactly the reason i cited before - i think it's unhealthy for a democracy to have two families in charge for so long. this country has been through a lot in the last few years, and it's time to move forward, to get a breath of fresh air and someone new for a change.

and while i'd welcome hillary over any of the republican nominees, i still won't vote for her in the primary, and i most definitely won't vote for her in the general election. i'm tired of holding my nose in the ballot box.

[BootinUp]

29. no apologies

necessary, vote your conscience dude.

[antiimperialist]

30. How many of these respondents read all health care plans?

I would bet that less than 1% went to Edwards', Obama's, and Hillary's website and bothered to read the details.

[Auntie Bush]

34. I'm guilty!

I haven't read them yet as I've been busy getting my daughter married! :)

I have such great faith in Clark's judgment that I feel safe in following his lead. After I read the plans and I change my opinion I will sadly but honestly state why.

I realize one may be much better than the other...but what's important is which one will pass. What good does it do anyone to have someone propose a fantastic health care plan that will end up in the shredder?

Jim beat me to it saying that sometimes we have to get in bed with the wolf in order to get what we want...only in nicer words. It costs so damn much money to win an election we have to compromise our soul.

Once Hillary is in office...I have faith she will try her hardest to get the best possible deal she can. If you could lose your home due to outrageous medical bills...I'm sure you'd be happy with Hillary's plan rather than a pie in the sky plan still sitting on someones desk or the back side being used as note paper.

Wes knows the Clinton's well and if he thought for one moment that Hillary was dishonest or would screw us...he damn sure wouldn't endorse her.

[William769]

35. K&R!