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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 12:11 PM
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What She Learned . . .
The genius of Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign has been her skill at turning liabilities into assets and weaknesses into strengths. By putting out a detailed health-care plan yesterday, Clinton embarked on this year's most daring act of political jujitsu.

Compared with Barack Obama and John Edwards, who have already issued well-reviewed proposals of their own, Clinton comes late to the health-care sweepstakes. But there is a message in that, too. Her approach, she says, has been "very deliberate." That's why she offered ideas on curbing health costs and improving the quality of care before she got around to her plan to cover everyone.

She mixes self-deprecating laughter with meticulous analysis of interest-group politics to send one clear message: The Hillary Clinton of 2007 is a wiser, shrewder and more realistic politician than the first lady who tried and failed to pass her husband's health plan in 1993 and 1994 -- which, because of her high-profile role, is now inevitably called "Hillarycare."

In a telephone interview yesterday shortly before she gave her Iowa speech, Clinton listed the tips she picked up at the Health Care School of Hard Knocks.

"I learned in 1993 that people who have coverage need reassurance that they can keep their current plan," she said, noting that her new proposal offers exactly that. In her address, she repeatedly invoked the words "You choose" -- with the emphasis on you-- as a litany that could drive away the evil spirits of the past.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/17/AR2007091701395.html
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 12:13 PM
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1. You choose...
which insurance company gets the tax money!

:woohoo:
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 12:21 PM
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6. .
:rofl:

Spot on!

TC


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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 12:13 PM
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2. She presented the same crap from the 90's
Edited on Tue Sep-18-07 12:14 PM by Ethelk2044
Insurance companies are throwing a party.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 12:14 PM
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3. It would be helpful if you did your reasearch.
The nonsense you post reflects badly on only tou.
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 12:15 PM
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4. it would be helpful if she would have presented a plan which
benefits Americans instead of insurance companies.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 12:19 PM
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5. To begin with I didn't present anything, Hillary did.
Edited on Tue Sep-18-07 12:20 PM by William769
And with the polling out there not only do Democrats favor Hillary's plan they trust her to deal with health care more than Obama or Edwards. Like I said if you did a little research, you would have known this.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 12:28 PM
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7. The polling?
What % of those people do you estimate would know shit from shinola?
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 12:29 PM
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8. I'm not one to call voters stupid, but if you want to be my guest.
A vote is a vote is a vote.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 12:30 PM
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10. Yup!
Lucky for slick-as-shit politicians, most americans don't have a fuckin clue!
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midlife_mo_Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 03:20 PM
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30. This is totally different from her first plan
You're absolutely wrong.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 12:30 PM
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9. She has been doing a fabulous job. I have yet to be disappointed
I have posted her healthcare webcast info on several threads


This is a fantastic way for people to interact and get questions answered

I guarantee the haters with so many questions here today will never sign up

They don't want to know the answers. They just enjoy their own petard :toast:




People can sign up and submit questions

Read the plan and RSVP for the webcast:
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/healthcare
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 12:33 PM
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11. They don't want the truth.
All they know is hate Hillary. When Hillary is elected the next President of the United States in 2008, at least she will implement a good health care plan to deal with their depression.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 12:39 PM
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12. Since some are aspiring sociopaths the implementation can't
happen soon enough :wow:
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 12:40 PM
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13. No you didn't.
:rofl:
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 12:47 PM
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15. No, not hate hillary... hate hillary's plan to leave no insurance exec behind.
Not so difficult to understand as you two seem to think... or maybe, for some people, it is...

:rofl:

:eyes:
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 12:54 PM
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16. Anyone that reads any of your posts knows what we are talking about.
Edited on Tue Sep-18-07 12:55 PM by William769
:rofl:
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 12:58 PM
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18. Uh huh.
Keep it comin. :)
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againes654 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 12:57 PM
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17. Not all of us
that don't support Hillary, hate her. I don't hate her. I don't intend to vote for her in the primaries, but if she wins the nomination, I will vote for her over a repuke any day.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 12:59 PM
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19. It's called a 'strawman' and it's what you use if you have no real arguments.
:hi:
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againes654 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:07 PM
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20. Ok
if you say so. I support Kucinich most. I will do ANYTHING to help him win the nomination. Most important thing to me is to end the war. I think we have a better chance with a Dem regardless of which one. I definatly have a prefrence though.

I just don't hate anyone...including repukes. Hate is such a strong word, and leads to many other emotions.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:10 PM
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21. Same here... hate is an easy word to throw around.
But just as the right likes to pretend that the left just HATES BUSH and has no valid complaints... so too are these people (and probably many others) trying to imply that anyone who has valid concerns / criticims of hillary just HATES her and that's all they know is HATE.

It'd be funny if it weren't such a sad imitation of what the right has been doing for nearly a decade now.
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againes654 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:20 PM
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23. so true
I have seen your name on several other posts. Seems like we are on the same page. :toast:
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:22 PM
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25. The Haters on the left are mirror images of the RW loons. That is a true tragedy
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:24 PM
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26. Ah, and look how insistent you are... still calling us 'haters'.
:rofl:

Sorry buddy... it ain't us using RW tactics (insults, misleading labels e.g. "haters") to silence meaningful criticism. :hi:
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:19 PM
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22. The beautiful thing is that everyone is talking about Hillary's plan
It does not matter if other dem candidates have plans

No one here or in the media are talking about the other candidates or their plans


Out of sight..out of mind

It's all about Hill. :woohoo: :applause: :woohoo:



No one can blame the media that DUers spend so much time on the subject.Masterful publicity indeed

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:21 PM
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24. Yes! Yay for the corporate whore media!
GO HILLARY!

:woohoo:
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:25 PM
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28. Ain't that the truth.
And I'm loving it!
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:24 PM
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27. Then you would not fall in that catagory.
When you have been here long enough and see the posts that they won't even vote for her in the genderal then you'll know what we are talking about.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 02:53 PM
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29. So you think the ONLY reason a dem wouldn't vote for her
is because they hate her?

:shrug:
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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 12:40 PM
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14. Yep, she learned not to rock the boat and the pander to insurance companies.
Way to go!
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