No wonder Wes Clark endorsed Hillary Clinton....

[Auntie Bush]

Her health care plan sounds pretty good and as fair as possible, sensible and realistic to everyone...both people and business! Sure, some will still be disappointed but a big bird in the hand is far better than a dead one in the bush. Some will also hate the fact that big business isn't entirely eliminated from the health care industry. But dammit folks, our country really needs jobs. Would you vote for someone who advocates eliminating your job and there are a lot of jobs depending upon that industry? Votes mean a Dem president and that's IMPORTANT! Put your ideologue wool vest back in mothballs for awhile. If we play it right and smart we'll have 8 years to make changes...but first we have to get in control. :) Then we can have 8 more years of a well seasoned Obama :) and we can make more changes as they become necessary. The Rethugs can eat dirt!

[durrrty libby]

1. Her plan is sensible and can be implemented right away without

the addition of new agencies. There are almost 50 million people unable
to access health care. They need this asap.

Good post :thumbsup:




She is having a webcast on her health care plan tonight at 8pm

People can sign up and submit questions

Read the plan and RSVP for the webcast:
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/healthcare

[saracat]

5. Those people won't be able to get the insurance!

[William769]

6. Why not?

[saracat]

9. If you don't "pay " taxes because you don't earn enough income

you can't use a tax credit. I can't use a tax credit.

[William769]

12. And if your income does not allow for coverage, it will be provided.

[saracat]

20. Not if you are not "poor enough".

[William769]

22. And what is poor enough?

[saracat]

2. But Senator Clinton does advocate eliminating our jobs.She supports outsourcing!

And her plan does nothing for those without health insurance.Those without it will not be able to get it because she uses "tax credits" to fund it and many don't make enough to pay much in taxes!

[William769]

4. Talk about mis characterization!

[saracat]

7. She does support outsourcing and what am I mis-characterizing about her tax credits for insurance?

[William769]

11. Show me where she supports out sourcing in the medical field.

Tax credits are for working families, there is a saftey net for the poor. Want to try again?

[saracat]

15. Does it matter what field she supports it in? I didn't say she specifiaclly

supports it in the medical field. Many "working families" won't get tax credits. And won't get the safety net for the poor either.They fall between the cracks.I do. Want to try again?

[William769]

16. Yes, I want you to try again to answer the question.

[saracat]

18. Asked and answered.I said she did NOT specifically refer to the medical field in her statement!

[William769]

21. Thats what I thought.

As usual no substance to back up your accusations.

[saracat]

24. But she defends outsourcing of other jobs.See quote below!

and BTW where does she "publicly state" she is "against outsourcing jobs in the medical profession?"

[William769]

28. This is about her health plan, nice try on trying to change the subject though.

:eyes:

[saracat]

30. You asked for the quote about "outsourcing "and I gave it to you!

[Freddie Stubbs]

8. How is she supporting outsourcing?

:shrug:

[saracat]

10. She has stated she does.I posted the quote earlier on DU.

[William769]

14. How about posting it again?

[saracat]

17. How about you do a DU "search" for it!

[William769]

19. You offered that you made the post.

Put up or...

[saracat]

23. Here you go William769 Here is a quote!

CBS News Sept.18 2007

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/09/08/politics/main3244256.shtml

When Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton flew to New Delhi to meet with Indian business leaders in 2005, she offered a blunt assessment of the loss of American jobs across the Pacific. "There is no way to legislate against reality," she declared. "Outsourcing will continue. ... We are not against all outsourcing; we are not in favor of putting up fences."


Clinton declined repeated requests for an interview about her views on outsourcing. Her campaign advisers, however, say she believes there are no inconsistencies in the comments she has made here and in India or in her actions as a senator.

They say she opposes legislative measures - such as trade barriers - to slow the loss of American jobs if they would restrain free trade. And they say she has supported the expansion of the temporary-worker visas because U.S. technology companies have repeatedly told her the visas are needed to maintain a ready workforce.

[saracat]

25. So Will, no answer when you get the quote?

[William769]

29. Give me to to answer, sheesh.

"We are not against all outsourcing" Not even on topic, but since you brought it up, want to try again?

[saracat]

34. Well I was jumped for not being "quick enough" so whats good for the goose.

[Auntie Bush]

31. Maybe you should change your name to sourcrat. n/t

[saracat]

36. Very cute but why?Am I supposed to applaud this very late in coming

healthcare plan? I am an Edwards supporter but I truly think Kucinich has the best plan but Edwards is the plan that could be passed.Hillary's plan is a disappointment!

[Captain Hilts]

3. He's a military man who gives her military cred AND he's not too much taller than she is. nt

[Mojorabbit]

13. My problem with the plan

is we have a small business and can't affor to buy insurance for our employees. If the tax credit is not healthy enough it won't help that situation.

Secondly, if you saw sicko you know that insurance companies are looking for ways to deny your coverage. This does not address copays and the above problem of denying claims. They will looking harder for a profit as they will be required not to cherry pick their customers anymore and will have higher payouts for those people they can deny policies to at this time.

I could make a list of other problems with this plan esp that it is not simple enough for the voters to understand.

[MessiahRp]

27. Please do!

From my first impression, this seems like a very shallow pool Hillary is willing to wade into for Universal Health Care. Much like their beliefs in NAFTA, the Clintons show WAY too much trust in the greedy corporations that would continue to thrive from such a program. HMOs can continue on, business as usual and they will continue their process of denial towards those who need it most.

Saracat is correct above... there is a threshhold where one makes too much for public assistance but not enough to pay in enough taxes where such a tax credit would be worthwhile to them. We're still talking about incredibly overpriced health insurance rates crushing families with every paycheck's deduction while getting only some of that back with a paltry tax credit.

Anything less than Government Administered Universal Health Care For All that eliminates the HMO racquet altogether is a miserable, poor excuse of an idea and won't help one iota.

Rp

[CTyankee]

38. A simple solution: expand Medicaid upward so more families are

covered. This is being done now in some states with the children's health plan CHIP.

[Auntie Bush]

32. They will also have a lot more customers to supply additional income.

"They will looking harder for a profit as they will be required not to cherry pick their customers anymore and will have higher payouts for those people they can deny policies to at this time."

[Mojorabbit]

39. They could have more

customers now doing this with lower rates if this were true. It is all about maximizing the profit and this is done by denying claims. They have stockholders. With this mindset people who need help will continue to suffer.

[zulchzulu]

26. You should check out this article...

If you think jobs aren't being outsourced to India, well...um...

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-buffalo30jul30,1,3950723.story?ctrack=4&cset=true

Better yet, watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhLBSLLIhUs

[kerry-is-my-prez]

33. They go way back from Little Rock..... Maybe she'll pick him for VP.

n/t

[Auntie Bush]

35. That would be an answer to my prayers. n/t

[saracat]

37. I think that would be an excellent choice as well but I would rather he be in front of the ticket!

[JDPriestly]

40. Her plan is horrendous. It imposes burdens on people who can't bear them.

People with middle-class incomes do not need piddly tax breaks. They need health care-- national health care. And we do not need to be frittering away our money on the high pay of health care executives.