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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:04 PM
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It’s long overdue. It’s time to start calling a spade a spade. If you are demonstrating in support of the war without speaking out against the current treatment of soldiers in Iraq, you are anti-troops.

In CNN’s coverage of the recent demonstrations in D.C., talking-head Kathleen Koch referred to “anti-war protesters” as compared to “pro-troop demonstrators”, the latter being those who were demonstrating on behalf of the War in Iraq.

While CNN doesn’t represent valid news coverage any more than any other MSM news outlet, such comments not only fail to see the point, they are deliberately blind to the point – behavior that, most unfortunately, has become the norm in obfuscating what’s going on in Iraq, and what’s going on in our own backyard.

I have been against the War in Iraq from day one, along with many of us. And as the debacle that BushCo has created falters with every passing day, more Americans have come around to feeling the same way.

There are still citizens, however, that believe in this as-yet-to-be-defined mission, and whether they have been misled by the lies of their government, encouraged by the deceit of their party, or misinformed by the bullshit that passes for news coverage these days is of no consequence.

The point is that they hold a certain opinion, and they have as much right to express it as we have a right to express ours.

The problem comes about when such people are described (as they invariably are) as pro-troop supporters – because if you’re in full agreement of this war being continued under the current system of mistreating our soldiers, you are not just pro-war, you are anti-troops.

This administration, along with its GOP flunkies, have blatantly disregarded the safety and well-being of our troops, and – as the C-in-C is so fond of saying, “You’re either with us, or your against us.” And their actions have left no doubt that they are against the troops.

Our fighting men and women have been sent into combat without body-armour, without reinforced vehicles, without life-saving helmet-inserts. In a war that is costing the American taxpayers billions of dollars per month, soldiers’ family member are still purchasing basic equipment to keep their loved ones safe.

Soldiers are still being charged for equipment that has gone missing or has been destroyed in combat. Returning troops are still facing a bureaucratic nightmare that keeps them from getting the medical and/or psychological treatment they need to get on with their lives. While war-profiteers like Halliburton reap obscene profits, GI Joe is left to rot in a Walter Reed-type facility (privatized for BushCo’s friends’ convenience AND profit), where ignoring the needs of a wounded vet is just another way to make a buck.

When you have people like Gates declaring that necessary rest periods for combat-fatigued soldiers is an idea that should be dismissed out-of-hand, it should be – should be – obvious who’s on the side of the troops, and who’s on the side of those who think “Supporting the Troops” should be a bumpersticker rather than a reality.

As I’ve said, those who support this war have every right to make their voices heard – but until I see them marching in the streets with placards that say ”Less $$$ for Halliburton, More $$$ for Soldiers!”, “US Troops/Blackwater Mercenaries – Equal Pay NOW”, “$99 per bag of laundry, $87.50 per helmet-insert – Spend the $$$ Where it COUNTS” – these people are not “pro-troops”, any more than people who oppose abortion but support war or the death penalty are ”pro-life”.

The great irony in all of this is the fact that the pro-war crowd, despite their numbers growing smaller with every passing day, actually hold the power in their hands to change the dismal way in which our troops are being treated.

Imagine the pro-war supporters demanding better pay, better pensions, more equipment, more time off from combat, more expedient medical care, better quality of post-injury hospitalization, and less red-tape entanglement for our troops, and voicing their demands that unless they see overwhelming improvement in all of these areas, they will withdraw their support? It is these people, despite their ever-shrinking numbers, that could actually effect the changes necessary to ensure that our military gets their due, instead of getting the shaft.

So unless you pro-war types are willing to step up to the plate and demand that our fighting men and women get the necessary equipment, the financial compensation they have earned, the funds necessary to keep their families financially afloat, and easy access to the medical care they need, call yourselves what you are: anti-troops.

Without that kind of support, the pro-war faction’s claim to supporting the troops is as empty a phrase as the most trusted name in news.

And let’s face the facts; it doesn’t get any more empty than that.

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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:30 PM
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1. Well penned, Nance.
It is truly amazing how quickly our brethren on the right side of the aisle will call us traitors for our resistance, tell us we are demoralizing the troops with our dissent, yet stand by in total silence as soldiers are sent back for the third time with extended stays.

The burden on the families is immense, the toll on the men and women in the service is immeasurable.

Thank you, Nance, for giving a voice to this.
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 10:03 PM
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2. troop exhaustion
i have friends still in the military who are on their fourth deployment....some in their fifth!!! this is just insane when you spend what is basically for most of them a fifth of the time they have been alive fighting this war in the desert is just disgusting. at least if they spend a year abroad they should have a year to rest recoup enjoy their lives and their families before being sent back over.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 10:30 PM
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3. At least ... at the VERY least. n/t
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 10:33 PM
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4. This post is not just fine china, IMO. It's an entire palace and the damn thing
Edited on Tue Sep-18-07 10:42 PM by Old Crusoe
glitters in the dark night.

A shimmering jewel in blogwater.

Nance! Really fine stuff. The "empty" theme is resonant and I'm with ya all the way.

Recommended, by god.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 10:41 PM
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7. You are waxing politically poetic tonight, my friend ...
... and this young-at-heart old woman is totally enraptured by the kindness of your words.

This post is bookmarked, for fortitude when it is needed, for encouragement when it is wanting, for my own vain pleasure in years to come ...

Thank you so much, my dear friend.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 10:44 PM
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8. Can we have you in the TIMES twice a week instead of Maureen Dowd?
I'd subscribe, and I bet I wouldn't be the only one.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 10:56 PM
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9. If the TIMES published me twice a week ...
... you WOULDN'T be the only one subscribing.

There'd actually be TWO of us (because I'd have to buy a subscription for my mother).



It's a start.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 10:57 PM
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10. LOL! The TIMES could do worse. And have. Often.
People look forward to your DU posts because there's this good heart beating behind the keen brain.

That's the combo your avatar was so gifted at.

And what's been so sorely missing from the last 6 years in the White House.
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BrklynLib at work Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 12:26 PM
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23. Sign me up!! In advance!! What a great idea!
:applause: :applause:
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Steve_in_California Donating Member (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 10:37 PM
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5. Contact your cable companies . . .
and demand that CNN and Fox programming be removed from your service. Beat them at their own game.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 10:38 PM
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6. K&R
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 11:38 PM
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11. Oh boy, the BEST sig line I've seen yet! BRAVO!!!
"If we pull out of Iraq now, the billions of dollars we would have spent there will follow us home!" What a GREAT talking point. Should be said, read, and spread!

Good way to add to this Nance thread, too. VERY fitting!
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 11:42 PM
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12. You're right!
VERY FITTING indeed!!!
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 12:07 AM
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16. I can't take credit- I saw that line one of the Toon threads here, a few weeks back.
As soon as I saw that, I said "that's a KEEPER!"

And now I've got a sigline again.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 01:03 AM
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17. Well, dicksteele, I'm gonna give you some credit anyway.
"If we pull out of Iraq now, the billions of dollars we would have spent there will follow us home!"

It's a FIRST CLASS talking point that should be used ALL OVER THE PLACE, IN ANY POSSIBLE OPPORTUNITY THAT PRESENTS ITSELF. Sorry I'm shouting, but this is a REAL KEEPER. Not only does it turn a simpering idiot buzz phrase on its ass, but it refocuses the attention on some of the harsh reality that underlies this whole fiasco. Besides, I think that a fair amount of people who rattle off that mindless "but, but, but, they'll follow us HOME!!!" would be far more likely to stop short if the loss of our MONEY is pushed back in their faces. They don't all care that much about the loss of the lives of our soldiers. I've had this conversation with a few such war-lovers, and their response to the misuse and abuse of the troops is some version of: "Irrelevant! they VOLUNTEERED for this. That's their JOB. Tough shit. Goes with the territory." And out the other side of their mouths they're liable to start pontificating about how "pro-life" they are.

GO FIGURE.

Meanwhile, this is One. GREAT. Meme.

"If we pull out of Iraq now, the billions of dollars we would have spent there will follow us home!"
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 01:15 AM
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18. I only deserve credit for RECOGNIZING pure gold when I see it lying on the sidewalk, y'know?
And maybe for my unique sense of style...but that's all! lol.

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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 01:29 AM
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19. Stylish!
:toast: :headbang:
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bluescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 01:31 PM
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29. Here's another
"We're spending it over there so we don't have to spend it here."
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 11:56 PM
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13. My dear Nance...
Wow, the clear and vibrant voice of reason!

You said it so well...

I am proud to live in the time that has brought you to us!

K&R

:patriot:
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 12:00 AM
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14. My voice has been honed ...
... by the times in which I live, and the people with whom I share the planet.

If there was no Cal-Peg, there would be no me to speak.

:hug:
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 12:05 AM
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15. Not true, sweetie...
You were ranting beautifully long before I joined DU...

But I thank you nonetheless for the very graceful compliment...

:loveya:

:hug:
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SnowCritter Donating Member (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 08:54 AM
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20. Great commentary, Nance!
You just keep hitting the bullseye!
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dgibby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 10:37 AM
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21. THANKS!!!
Once again, you have identified the REAL problem, and once again, you are exactly right! As a military retiree, I can attest to the fact that many of those who profess to "support the troops" have no clue what that entails, outside of the ubiquitous bumper sticker. As another blogger so eloquently put it, "only in America do decorated vets sleep on cardboard on the street while a draft dodger sleeps in the White House"!!! Thanks for all you do,Nance, and keep up the great work!
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 03:32 PM
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24. Thanks, dgibby!
And welcome to DU - we're proud to have ya!

:patriot:
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BrklynLib at work Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 12:21 PM
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22. Your words simply take my breath away.
The truth..plain and simple!!!!!
:thumbsup: :yourock:
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 03:35 PM
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25. Thank you, my friend!
And welcome to DU - from a born-in-Brooklyn gal!

:hi:
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 07:25 PM
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26. Merely another masterpiece.
Thanks once again for being so eloquent and coherent.
:thumbsup: :hi: :headbang:
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iamasmadashell2 Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 08:26 PM
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27. Oh well; Nance just knocked another one out of the park
I adore your writing style and you are spot on-it doesn't get any more empty than that.
Stay cool; Ted
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 12:53 AM
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28. Welcome to the conversation, Ted!
:hi:
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