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Vyan Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 10:55 AM
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Playing the 'Traitor' Card
Edited on Wed Sep-19-07 11:17 AM by Vyan

In the last week Moveon.org has made the reich-wing of the Republican Party practically apoplectic with outrage that they would intimate "betrayal" on the part of General Patreaus.

In response to these attacks most Democratic leaders did what they seem to be best in response to the GOP and backed away from these comments so rapidly they practically left behind skid marks. Most that is, except for Hillary Clinton, who choose not to distance herself from Moveon, and instead dramatically said nothing. In turn this prompted a scathing attack from Rudy Giuliani which alleged that Hillary's non-Democratic non-Reaction was somehow an endorsement of attacking our troops.

Yesterday, Moveon decided it wasn't going to wait for any prominent Democrat to come their rescue (Snort). They punched back on their own - hard - with a new ad called "Betrayal of Trust".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPj-bpIeSTU

The Giuiliani ad dares to point out that when Rudy had a chance to do something about Iraq and Al Qeada by being a part of the Iraq Survey Group he skipped out on the meetings to go make Millions at lucrative speaking engagements.

Hm - Patriotism and Service or Cold Hard Cash, which would a traitor choose?

Rudy's clear problem with this ad is the fact that it's absolutely true as opposed to repeated claims by Conservatives of Democratic and Liberal cowardice and betrayal - which aren't.

Not long ago in debate with Cheney Biographer Stephan Haynes John Stewart stated that those who oppose the war aren't calling the warmongers "traitors".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=le1sqg0gnUk

STEWART: No. They keep saying we don't understand the nature of this war. And critics keep saying, we understand the nature of it. You've been doing it wrong.

HAYES: Right, so why is that -- what's the, what's the quality of difference there?

STEWART: Well, no the, the difference there is, we're not calling them traitors.

With these new ads MoveOn.org seems to have now irrevocably changed that fact. NOW we're calling them "Traitors".

Amazingly Haynes denied that the administration and it's supports have regularly engaged in this type of character assassination against Democrats for years. At the time of his statement I myself compiled this list of examples.

First from Administration Supporters.

  • Ann Coulter : Barack Obama's Lead in the Polls is "Good for Al-Qeada"
  • Townhall : Liberals hate fellow Americans more than terrorists.
  • Fox News: Let's find the Happy Insurgents now that Democrats have taken over Congress.
  • Bill Kristol : Obama's anti-war stance shows that he would have been pro-slavery.
  • Right-Wing Radio Pundit Buzz Patterson : "Democrat politicians, big media, academia, popular culture, and nongovernmental organizations" of forming "a Fifth Column" that is "facilitating defeat against Islamo-fascism" and that Most Liberals are Traitors.
  • Radio Host Mike Gallagher on Fox News: the U.S. government should "round up" actor Matt Damon, "The View" host Joy Behar, and MSNBC anchor Keith Olbermann and "put them in a detention camp until this war is over because they’re a bunch of traitors."
  • Fox News Host : Wall Street Won’t Let A ‘Puny Little Traitor (who leaked the NSA Story)...Take Down Our Market’
  • Bill O'Reilly on Cindy Sheehan : I think Mrs. Sheehan bears some responsibility for this {publicity} and also for the responsibility for the other American families who lost sons and daughters in Iraq who feel this kind of behavior borders on treasonous.
  • Tom Delay : Pelosi and Reid are getting "very, very close to treason" by opposing the Iraq war.
  • Neil Cavuto : "Did Americans who took Hugo Chavez’s oil today commit treason?"
  • Melanie Morgan : New York Times editor Bill Keller is guilty of treason and that "Keller and his associates" should be thrown "in prison for 20 years.
  • Michael Reagan : Howard Dean should be arrested and hung for treason."
  • Coulter : It is simply a fact that Democrats like Murtha are encouraging the Iraqi insurgents when they say the war is going badly and it’s time to bring the troops home... They fill the airwaves with treason...These people are not only traitors, they are gutless traitors.
  • Dennis Hastert : liberals want to take "the 130 most treacherous people, probably in the world...and release them out in the public eventually."
  • CNN host Chuck Roberts: Ned Lamont is the Al Qeada Candidate.
  • Cal Thomas : The Taliban wing of the Democratic Party cannot countenance any "heretics" who do not toe their line.
  • South Carolina GOP chairman Katon Dawson : "Which one of the Democrat {sic} contenders are going to take {Senate Majority Leader} Harry Reid {D-NV} to task about giving aid and comfort to the enemies by claiming the global war on terror is lost?"
  • Dean Esmay on New York Times reporters: "Exposing such a secret program is not whistle-blowing -- http://www.deanesmay.com/posts/1134887547.shtml">it is high treason. When I say 'treason' I don't mean it in an insulting or hyperbolic way. I mean in a literal way: we need to find these 21st century Julius Rosenbergs, these modern day reincarnations of Alger Hiss, put them on trial before a jury of their peers, with defense counsel. When they are found guilty, we should then hang them by the neck until the {sic} are dead, dead, dead."
  • Michael Savage : former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright "should be tried for treason, and when she is found guilty, she should be hung."
  • Coulter on the Hamdan Decision : {Y}ou just expect Democrats to side with Al Qaeda." Coulter also stated that she couldn't "imagine that this country could have won World War II if this is the way one of the parties was behaving."
  • Rush Limbaugh : "Did (Joe) Wilson lie about Niger? Did Wilson commit treason?"

And then members of the Administration itself (who've been less direct but have still made the same point).

  • Donald Rumsfeld : War Critics are like Hitler Appeasers
  • George Bush : "However they put it, the Democrat approach in Iraq comes down to this: The terrorists win and America loses."
  • Dick Cheney : "It’s absolutely essential that eight weeks from today, on November 2nd, we make the right choice, because if we make the wrong choice then the danger is that we’ll get hit again,"
  • George Bush : "I asked Congress to give me the flexibility necessary to be able to deal with the true threats of the 21st century by being able to move the right people to the right place at the right time so we can better assure America we're doing everything possible. The House responded, but the Senate is more interested in special interests in Washington and not interested in the security of the American people." {Bush remarks in Trenton, New Jersey, 9/23/02, emphasis added}
  • John Ashcroft : "To those who scare peace-loving people with phantoms of lost liberty; my message is this: Your tactics only aid terrorists - for they erode our national unity and diminish our resolve. They give ammunition to America's enemies, and pause to America's friends." {Washington Post, 12/7/01;}
  • Karl Rove : "Liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers." Conservatives, he said, "saw the savagery of 9/11 and the attacks and prepared for war."
  • George Bush and supporters claimed that Democratic Nominee John Kerry has been giving aid and comfort to the enemy, that his comments are "destructive" and can "embolden the enemy" {Washington Post Sept 2004}

This past Sunday on Meet the Press John McCain made the following accusation against Democrats.

McCain .I hope that we will have the patience and the understanding on the part of the American people that they’ve made great sacrifice and all of us are saddened by it. But I hope we can also point out the consequences of failure, which is what the Democrats are proposing now.

Fortunately John Kerry was sitting beside him and (having learned from bitter previous experience) refused to take that accusation lying down.

SEN. KERRY: Listen to that. You just said the Democrats are proposing failure. We’ve had...

SEN. McCAIN: Yeah. (Unintelligible)...failure.

SEN. KERRY: ...four and a half years of failure. The Republicans stood up and cheered for Rumsfeld, who had a policy of not enough troops. To his credit, John at least said he needs more troops. But the fact is they’ve supported every step of this president, misleading America about the course of this war. Last January the president stood up to Americans. You know what he said, Tim? He said, "We will hold them accountable to their benchmarks." They’re not holding them accountable. They have no means of holding them accountable because they’ve said we’re going to stay there with 130,000 troops into next summer. They have no leverage.

We are not proposing failure, as John loves to assert and Republicans loves to assert. We are proposing a way to strengthen America in the region. We’re proposing a way to, in fact, make Iraq successful to the degree that it can be by playing to the real undercurrents of their, of their cultural and historical divisions. Nothing in the surge addresses the question of Shia, Sunni divide. Nothing in the surge is going to resolve the fundamental reluctance of Iraqi politicians to make a decision, Tim.

Now, we’re not talking about abandoning the place. Why do the Republicans have a complete inability to envision a foreign policy, as we used to have, Republican and Democrat alike, which plays to our strengths and builds alliances with other countries? Bring the United Nations back in. Bring the neighbors into this. Have a standing summit in a standing conference where we resolve these differences as best as can be. The United States can’t do it alone. And we have to change the equation so we regain leverage and initiative. That’s not walking away, that’s walking forward and putting us in a stronger posture.

The Truth, which Kerry put so well, is that Democrats have been the ones standing up and pointing out Bush and the Republicans repeated failure, after failure after failure - and as a reward they've been repeatedly attacked as traitors, appeasers, cowards, cut-and-runners and surrender-monkeys.

Frankly hurting the troops delicate little feelings (with the truth, ugly though it may be), as if they were Tinkerbell in desperate need of applause - does not make anyone a "traitor".

The truth is that Bush and his supporters are the traitors, and it's well past time we began saying so regularly as MOveon.org has finally started to do.

Anyone who...

  • Willfully ignored warning after warning (from Richard Clarke, George Tenet to Condi, August 6th PDB, George Tenet in Crawford, 52 FAA hijack alerts) that the U.S. was under threat of imminent terrorist attack in 2001 - is a traitor.
  • Failed to respond to the bombing of the U.S.S. Cole once al Qeada was confirmed at the culprit - is a traitor.
  • Falsified intelligence information (Niger Forgeries, Yellowcake, Curveball, al-Libi, Aluminum tubes, mobile labs) to support starting a war on false pretenses, is a traitor
  • Blew the cover of a covert CIA operative for political gain, is a traitor.
  • Engages in Torture in direct violation of U.S. and international Law - is a traitor.
  • Spied on the American Public without a warrant in violation of the Law and the Constitution - is a Traitor.
  • Failed to ensure that our troops have adequate training and oversight (abu Grhaib), bullets, (not so hillbilly) armor, vehicles, helmets, clean water (KBR), health care (Walter reed) and treatment for PTSD, depression and suicide is a traitor.
  • Ignores a drowning American City for nearly a week and lets it SINK INTO OBLIVION then leaves it that way for two years (and counting) while letting the rest of our infrastructure slowly crumble into dust - is a traitor.
  • Failed to protect our national interests by engaging in diplomacy, even with our so-called enemies (as every previous administration has done) is a traitor
  • Failed to even try to kill or capture Bil Laden because we are an "ally" of Pakistan which has a non-aggression treaty with the Taliban and has merged with Al Qeada - is a traitor!
  • Tries to use the American Justice System to FIX ELECTIONS - is a traitor.
  • Violates National Security Rules and Guidelines by pretending to be in some mysterious Fourth Branch Of Government - is a Traitor.
  • Has Falsified and distorted current intelligence on the ground in Iraq, ignoring the GAO, the NIE, troops in the 82nd Airborne and 71% of the Iraq Public to proclaim that the "Surge is a Success" simply to keep our troops in harms way for political reasons - no matter how many ribbons are on his chest - IS A TRAITOR!

All of these people have betrayed their oath of office to uphold the Constitution and abide by the laws of this nation, all of these people have repeatedly abused and betrayed the trust of the American public time and time again.

But guess what? Most of those people Aren't Democrats!.

We've all been well aware of this for years now, it's well past time we weren't afraid to say so out loud.

I understand why prominent Democrats back away from such language, so do prominent Republicans (in public). They openly use Coulter-geist and Limp-baugh as the mouth pieces for their dirty work while trying to keep their own hands "clean". But it's also clear that they're working in concert - tag team style - Good GOPer/Bad GOPer.

It high time that we learned and began to employ that trick. We are the solders, the grunts, we make sure the dirty jobs get done. Sure Pelosi might not use the same fiery language we do - but that doesn't mean she isn't on the same team.

Fact is: A Spade is a spade and a Traitor is a Traitor. Say it Loud. Say it Proud.

Vyan

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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 11:02 AM
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1. Oooo, very good.
Edited on Wed Sep-19-07 11:32 AM by Lasher
I'm in an email war with a right winger right now. He's upset because people are not showing the proper degree of respect to Betrayus and his King George II. I think you just gave me ammo.

Edit: Just want to add something about the USS Cole, which you mentioned. Clinton could not act because it was not determined who was behind the attack until Bush assumed office. And why didn't Junior retaliate? Richard Clarke said, "And I was told on a couple of occasions, "Well, you know, that happened on the Clinton administration's watch."

This stuck with me because it is a good indication of how petty and spiteful this president truly is.
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Vyan Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 11:27 AM
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5. How much respect did Melanie Morgan
show Capt. John Soltz of Vote Vets when she suggested he should be "stomped like a cockroach"? Or Tucker Carlson claiming "How the Hell {would members of the 82nd Airborne} Know anything about how Iraqis feel".

Pointing out that Petreaus claims have been thoroughly refuted by the GAO, the NIE and even yesterday's Pentagon report on Iraq is not a "lack of respect" - it's the truth.

Vyan
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 11:39 AM
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6. Right now I'm beating him up over the swift boat liars.
Edited on Wed Sep-19-07 11:40 AM by Lasher
He made the mistake of saying they told the truth about Kerry. This is almost too easy.

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Vyan Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 12:05 PM
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7. If you need more ammo...
here's a few more rounds you might find useful.

Vyan
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 12:19 PM
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8. Why thank you.
I wish he would hurry up and reply, this is the bestest fun.

I checked out your website. The still picture of the Ghouliani video clip looks a lot like Nosferateau in the old silent vampire movie, don't you think?

I have bookmarked your OP, as it is a good reference source.



Lasher
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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 11:03 AM
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2. Please put me in the 'Get the fuck out NOW!' crowd.
Good work. k&r
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 11:07 AM
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3. So will John Stewart no longer see a difference between us?
"Well, no the, the difference there is, we're not calling them traitors."
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Vyan Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 11:19 AM
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4. The difference is...
they use the "traitor" accusation against people because of what they've said - but I'm suggesting we use it because of what they've done.

Vyan
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 12:26 PM
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9. Ignore.
Edited on Wed Sep-19-07 12:35 PM by Perry Logan

Arr!
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 12:33 PM
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10. I could name a couple of DINO's who would fit the description perfectly.
They stand diametrically opposed to anything the Democratic Party has always stood for.

I'll give you 2 Nelsons for starters.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 12:42 PM
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11. I agree
It's time for Dems to start using tougher words against their Republican critics. Failure to do so just plays into the sterotypes that the Repukes paint of them.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 01:49 AM
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12. Excellent. Recced here and at DKos
Great links on this subject, one which needs more exposure and discussion.

Bravo.:applause:
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 02:36 AM
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13. CNN's Wolf Blitzer
CNN's Wolf Blitzer has been harping on this day after day. They completely ignore the unreasonable attacks on Democrats. It couldn't be more obvious yet they are never challenged on it. Looks like the Democrats are being Swift Boated all over again.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 04:10 AM
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14. Why can't I recommend this a dozen times?
How 'bout a HUNDRED dozen times?

This should be on everybody's bathroom mirrors for viewing and refreshing and reconfirming EVERY MORNING.

EXCELLENT work, Vyan! I am HEARTILY for anything that turns the tables and shoves whatever the bad guys are pushing straight back in their faces. The fact is, THEY are the true traitors here. It's their people who betrayed the identity of an undercover CIA operative during a time of war - for which they did nothing but make excuses and flimsy "justifications." Even duhbya's dad knows THAT is flat-out treason. Funny how his own son approved it for his own private flying monkey squad to carry out.

This is STELLAR work, Vyan! And it's about time we started pushing this. I salute MoveOn.org for having the backbone to bring it up, and then to back it up. Meanwhile our Dems shiver and shrink and tap-dance all over everywhere trying to smooth things over, never wanting to get into anybody's face or mix it up or, as you said here, call a spade a spade.

No WONDER they think our party has no spine. No Frickin' Wonder.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 07:57 AM
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15. Republicans are anti-American and traitors.
Edited on Thu Sep-20-07 08:03 AM by The Wizard
Their enablers in the corporate media like AEI's Wolf Blitzer allow them to push their lies unabated.
To which of the two major political parties would the Ku Klux Klan be most closely aligned?
I've been called a traitor and terrorist by these punks because I refuse to support the dictator Bush. And I'm the guy who spent a year in rice paddies and rubber plantations with an M-16. I wouldn't piss in their mouths if their throats were on fire. It is impossible to have an honest debate with thought disordered morans whose brains have been short circuited from loose connections. Josef Leibermann should have his foreskin reattached without anesthesia.
Watch what happens to gas prices when these douche bags decide to bomb Iran. They're very good at taking money out of circulation and lowering living standards for working people. Paris Hilton tax cuts on the backs of disabled veterans is immoral and treasonous.
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