Here is political compromise in a nutshell:

[XemaSab]

Bob: Let's kill all the Jews!

Tim: No! Let's not kill ANY Jews!

Larry: I know! We can kill SOME of the Jews!

--------

Finding a middle ground between justice and evil only results in more evil.

[MonkeyFunk]

1. so let's never compromise!!

EVER!! Insist on our way or the highway!

Yeah, that'll work.

[Hydra]

2. "Compromise" is working now? n/t

[MonkeyFunk]

3. No

everything sucks and we're all gonna die.

NEVER COMPROMISE! DEMAND OBEDIENCE!!! WRITE CONGRESS RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!!

[Hydra]

4. That first line sums it up pretty well

Nazi Germany has risen again, and nobody here cares.

"How did the Germans let it happen?"

My answer is this: We are not as civilized as we think...and we don't really care when people wreck our world.

[EstimatedProphet]

5. Nazi Germany? Really?

Unless you're posting from an oven, that's hyperbolic.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

9. A concentration camp/sitting at my computer - what's the difference?

:shrug:

[CTyankee]

26. The difference? 6 million men, women and children gassed to death

or otherwise dying from disease, starvation and beatings.

I am not Jewish but I simply must speak out against such casual dismissal of Hitler's attempt to rid the planet of Jews. I hope you are just too young and too uninformed to appreciate the reality of the Holocaust. Please do more research, talk to some people who are Jewish or just think deeply about what I have just said. Good luck to you.

[EstimatedProphet]

30. Uh, dude...that was sarcasm...

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

33. I'll remember the irony it at next year's passover seder.

oy!

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

31. I was being sarcastic - that's my whole point about this thread

Read it again with the fact that I am refuting the OP's claims in mind. I'll remember your post when I'm at Seder next year. Good luck to you.

[Hydra]

34. Don't pull that angle

it makes you look bad.

This is not a casual dismissal- this is an understanding that * can do more than Hitler could have ever dreamed. Hitler never managed to get a nuclear weapon(although he tried). * has THOUSANDS of them...even dismissing how many people have died because of his actions.

Will his wars have a deathtoll of more than 26 million? We'll just have to see.

[EstimatedProphet]

40. If it's that desperate then why are you posting on the internet?

Do you actually expect us to believe that we are in a situation as dire as being under Nazi Germany, that all of our freedoms are completely gone and we will be carted off to concentration camps any day now, and the way to go about fighting this is to post on the internet?

Things are bad under Bush, of course. He and the administration have done despicable things. Iraq was and is a war crime. Bush has clearly ben the worst president we have ever had. But if you really believe that Bush is about to start a nuclear holocaust, then complaining about things on the internet isn't exactly an proportional response.

[Hydra]

53. It's what I can do right now

as well as supporting activists in my area.

I'd do far more if I were able- but I have $67 to my name until next Friday. Makes it hard to get much done. But I very much believe that the situation IS that dire, and that left unchecked as he has been, Bush could very well become the next great bogeyman that people frighten the entire world with.

[EstimatedProphet]

92. How would money help?

[Hydra]

104. If I had income, I could work with various legal entities like the ACLU

I could even run for congress in my Red State if I didn't need to worry where my and my disabled relative's next meal was coming from. I could do many of the things you were asking why I wasn't, rather than trying to change a few minds by talking to them.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

41. you almost seem to want it to. Why else would you "bet" on it?

unless you were looking to parlay a 2nd holocaust into a big score

[Hydra]

56. Because I'm tired of people telling me what is and is not happening.

When * came to power, a pagan family's house was firebombed in my area by members of a local fundie church...they didn't bother to check if anyone was home either. That was never investigated, because of who those people belonged to.

I knew when that happened, and the fact that they were protected by the Repubs in my area, that none of us that harbored "improper" viewpoints were safe under this regime.

Just feel lucky that you haven't witnessed such things...

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

58. Ok

you want to remain looking ridiculous who am I to try and stop you. Or any of the other people in here that are disagreeing with you.

[Hydra]

62. ah, another person who doesn't care

I used to think there weren't many of those...I am disappointed more every day.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

75. Did you see how I'm related to holocaust surviors? I don't care?

You can now officailly fuck the fuck off you cock.

[Hydra]

81. No monopoly there

I had relatives that lived the nightmare as well. They told me to always watch what the government did...so to see you make fun of situations that closely mirror the past is disturbing.

[MonkeyFunk]

97. You're dumb

[CTyankee]

47. I don't agree. If the poster now says it was ironic and he didn't mean it

I will accept it. But I didn't know it at the time and I was speaking out.

It makes you look insensitive when you say I am "pulling an angle." He said what he said, without a sarcasm hint. Why do you not join me in admonishing the world to "never again" dismiss, denigrate or deny the suffering of people, regardless of who they are?

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

57. I was using ridiculous sarcasm to point out how ridiculous and insensitive

this whole thread is. ANd half my family is Jewish and that includes holocaust survirors (whom have since passed away)- hence my vehomence. We are in agreement.

[CTyankee]

66. Thanks for clarifying. My granddaughters are being raised in Judaism.

My daughter has not converted but her husband is Jewish. So I am pretty sensitive to this issue, as you can imagine. I sometimes wonder what I would do if a holocaust happened here and what I could do.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

73. I can't have any problems with a fellow CTer

:hi:

[CTyankee]

78. Thank you! What a nice thing to say. n/t

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

103. Go Huskies!

:)

[Hydra]

60. Because "never again" is happening right now

2 pre-emptive wars and more likely coming.

If you think I am being alarmist, you are welcome to that opinion. I am however, the spirit of "never again!"...all of it- not just the part of it that happens to bother you.

[CTyankee]

72. Why do you say that about me? n/t

[Hydra]

79. Because of this:

Why do you not join me in admonishing the world to "never again" dismiss, denigrate or deny the suffering of people, regardless of who they are?

and:

The difference? 6 million men, women and children gassed to death or otherwise dying from disease, starvation and beatings. I am not Jewish but I simply must speak out against such casual dismissal of Hitler's attempt to rid the planet of Jews. I hope you are just too young and too uninformed to appreciate the reality of the Holocaust. Please do more research, talk to some people who are Jewish or just think deeply about what I have just said. Good luck to you.

Your dismissal of the 3rd Reich's other "works" shows that you don't know or don't care about all of the other nasty business that occurred because of Hitler's reign of terror, and how that relates to today.

It might interest you to know that several major companies in America provided material support to the Nazis...and they are still giants today. They helped to make the 6 million happen.

[CTyankee]

80. What's wrong with what I said? Whom did I dismiss? I don't understand.

[Hydra]

82. Do you know how many people were killed because of a person like our little boots?

[CTyankee]

83. Have I said anything to the contrary?

[Hydra]

84. You are only focusing on the death camps

and even then, you don't mention how many Rom, Homosexuals and other "undesirables" were killed.

The deathtoll in the war in general, probably not counting civilians, was over 60 million. It was likely over 100 million.

If you are going to speak of it, tell the whole story, rather than helping the people who say, "I don't see any ovens, do you?"

[Dr Fate]

85. According to conservatives & "centrists", one has to kill 6 million jews before facism begins.

The "centrists" are always setting a low bar when it comes to holding conservatives accountable, no?

Remember when Rush Limbaugh and the Rightwing media was making the exact same argument when certain Democrats accused certain forms of torture of being akin to Nazism?

"You cant say it reminds you of Nazis- it's not like 6 million people have been killed"...yet.

[Hydra]

87. *shakes head*

Thank you for putting better than I was.

Wonderland freaks me out more every day.

[CTyankee]

91. Here are my words and I stand by them.

Why do you not join me in admonishing the world to "never again" dismiss, denigrate or deny the suffering of people, regardless of who they are?

There they are, Hydra. Note the last phrase "regardless of who they are."

How does that not include Hitler's other victims? How does that not include Bush's crimes?

[Hydra]

13. Care to phrase that in the form of a wager?

I've been telling people that Nazi Germany was coming since 2000. If I'd forced them to put money down, I could have bought a house by now.

Let's see...I don't need to make a full list of comparisons...that would be a waste of my time, and is all on wikipedia and other such sites. Hmmm...since no one(other than the ones working at them) knew about the ovens until the allies came through, that one is a foul by you. Lets look at:

Bush unelected 2000
9/11 allowed to happen
Afganistan and Iraq invaded on the excuse of 9/11
Bush unelected 2004
Military Commisions Act 2006 passed to give excuse of detention without charge
FISA Gutted
Threatening Iran and Syria

And those are just the big ones. Would you like me to continue, or am I disturbing your belief that we are somehow in a better place?

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

17. Oooh can I gamble on a second holocaust?

You're going off the deep end

[MonkeyFunk]

20. Don't holocaust me, bro!

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

25. What did they have against Kerry anyway

*runs away*

[Hydra]

22. Sure, put your money down

I already won though- over 1 million Iraqis killed so far, and the game is far from over.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

23. "game"

I see

[Hydra]

28. It is a game to them

but arguing against my facts is to you, so the difference is?

[HEyHEY]

51. You have facts, yes, they just don't prove a point

[Hydra]

69. Do you live in America?

Our rule of law here was flushed down the toilet, and we are busy killing people for oil.

Some of us here are very bothered by the events I mentioned.

[HEyHEY]

96. Trust me, I'm well aware of all of that

But that doesn't justify comparing it to the Nazis

[MonkeyFunk]

102. You're dumb

I know I've said it before, but it bears repeating.

[HEyHEY]

48. yeah, it's fun to watch

[EstimatedProphet]

29. Oh, by all means continue. I enjoy watching histrionics.

[Hydra]

37. No money?

I thought so.

May I assume you have no problem with what is going on?

[EstimatedProphet]

44. Hardly

But the world isn't made up of big lumps of sweetness and light contrasted with ultimate evil. Things can be bad enough without them being The Absolute Worst Possible Ever. That's histrionics.

[HEyHEY]

49. I'm sure he does, he just doesn't over-react and say stupid remarks

About how the fourth reich is on the way, especially considering there is a fucking ELECTION coming.

[HEyHEY]

43. Do me a favour, talk to a hlocaust survivor and tell them that

Then I can watch when they break down in tears at your ignorance.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

50. But from the comfort of one's computer it's real easy to make inane

comparisons

[MonkeyFunk]

6. you're dumb

[Hydra]

16. That's inspired writing, there! :P

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

21. Its as much inspired as comparing right now to Nazi Germany

I believe

[Hydra]

24. Money please?

since you offer no facts to argue me with, I'll take my money :evilgrin:

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

27. I offer no facts because the comparison is invalid therefore why bother?

You are looking quite silly so that's fun

[Hydra]

38. Your nic is giving Chavez a bad name

What a shame.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

39. wht is "nic"?

I'm not up on abbreviations

[Hydra]

64. Nickname

ChavezSpeakstheTruth

[MonkeyFunk]

32. It has the benefit

of being concise.

I could post a Will Pittsian screed on just how dumb you are, but you wouldn't understand it. Cuz... ya know... you're dumb.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

7. Corey Hart anyone?

[MonkeyFunk]

10. I prefer Corey Haim

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

15. Jerk Alert! - I prefer Feldman

[MonkeyFunk]

18. My pic of Corey Haim

was really a pic of Corey Feldman, but I firmly believe they were switched at birth, and I won't compromise on that.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

36. Dude - Stand By Me vs Lucas

Let's rumble baby

[Dr Fate]

52. I guess the DLC's continuing support of wars based on lies is some sort of "compromise" too.

Someone certainly got their way on that continuing "compromise"- but not the good guys.

[sandnsea]

8. That's concocting a fantasy

shoving it in someone's throat, and then making them argue it as if they said it.

It's exactly the same as the ticking time bomb.

WORTHLESS in furthering any debate about anything.

[EstimatedProphet]

94. Additionally, it's the same thing the freepers say

their ultimate threat to the furthered life of mankind is Muslims, ours is Bush. What's the difference?

[Richardo]

11. No, HERE is political compromise in a nutshell:

Bicameral legislature, Bill of Rights, proportional representation, the works.

Political compromise produced the finest governmental framework ever :patriot:

[MonkeyFunk]

12. don't spout your nazi bullshit here!

[Richardo]

14. Shut up, authoritarian swine!

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

45. Is that some 3rd Reich Manifesto?

[Richardo]

54. Note the Germanic lettering

[Dr Fate]

59. What does the part in there about Impeachment say-about compromise?

???

[Richardo]

65. Here we go. There is no language 'commanding' impeachment.

It says in the event of impeachment, the punishment shall be removal from office.

[Dr Fate]

74. Semantics. Even if it did command or mandate it, the DLC would still protect Bush from it.

That's what seem to they do- they support, make excuses for, and protect Bush when it comes to impeachment or his war based on lies.

Next you will tell me that starting a war based on lies is neither a high crime nor a misdemeanor.

[Dr Fate]

61. No-it is the document that commands us to IMPEACH criminals, not to compromise with them.

On edit- all semantics aside- the Constitution arguably does compel us to impeach for high crimes and misdemeanors.

[MonkeyFunk]

67. nowhere does it command impeachment

you should read it sometime.

[Dr Fate]

71. "High crimes" compels impeachment. A minor semantics error doesnt excuse DLC cowardice.

The High Crimes of Bush more than suggest or compel impeachment- of course the hemming & hawing,cowardly, pro Bush, pro-war DLCers think otherwise-that is certainly no secret.

[MonkeyFunk]

98. Nowhere does the constitution

place an affirmative obligation on the congress to impeach. Anybody who thinks otherwise is dumb.

[MonkeyFunk]

99. Nowhere does the constitution

place an affirmative obligation on the congress to impeach. Anybody who thinks otherwise is dumb.

[Dr Fate]

55. 8th grade puppy-love civics makes me feel all fuzzy too. Yet we are in an endless war based on lies.

One that costs us billions & billions of dollars.

I guess I'm supposed to believe it's all part of some "compromise" we made with liars & criminals- just like the Founders intended- right? LOL!

[Richardo]

68. Aren't all wars based on lies, when you come right down to it?

...at least by the instigators?

You're smarter than that, try to come up with a less tired and meaningless phrase.

[Dr Fate]

76. No- but this current endless, multi-billion $$$ war brought to you by team Bush/media/DLC is.

It's not meaningless to say this continuing war is based on the lies of right-wingers and so-called "centrists"-it's 100% factual- but one who is trying to defend Bush against impeachment or one who is continuing to support the war effort might try to say that.

[MonkeyFunk]

70. Anybody who thinks

compromise is always a sin is dangerous and stupid.

[Dr Fate]

77. Anyone who thinks "compromise" with liars & criminals is a good long term strategy...

...is dangerous and stupid.

[EstimatedProphet]

19. Actually, political compromise is often more like this:

Bob: I want HR256 to pass, so that we can fund farming programs.

Tim: I can't support it unless itdevotes more land to avian habitat.

Larry: I know! Let's attach a rider to the bill, so that avian habitat is subsidized!

Rarely are the choices such polar opposites.

[XemaSab]

63. LOL!

:D

[redqueen]

35. Oh well!

Have to go to war with the army you have, right? :crazy:

[HEyHEY]

42. Are you saying you agree with Bob? Anti-semite

[Dr Fate]

46. I've never understood how one "compromises" or "works with" liars and criminals.

But the DLCers and "blue dogs" keep telling me it can MUST done- I assmue that it's just their excuse for supporting Bush's far-right agenda so much.

[ulysses]

86. or this:

Bob: I want to defund welfare. Fuck the poor.

Tim: Let's compromise. I'll agree to drastically reduce accessibility to welfare services, and even make it easier for corporations to offshore hundreds of thousands of jobs just to make the deal sweeter, if you'll impeach me.

Bob: Can I poke you in the eye with a sharp stick?

Tim: Sure.

Bob: Deal!

[Hydra]

88. God, that's so apt! Sickening n/t

[Dr Fate]

89. You pie-in-the-sky-far left freak. It's called "strategy" and it wins us many elections, dammit.

And I can even vaugely remember which one- I believe Nirvana and Pearl Jam was playing in the background at the time.

[ulysses]

90. damn, I keep forgetting that.

Up for a game of checkers, Doc? :hi:

[XemaSab]

93. OTOH

They're STILL playing Nirvana and PJ on the radio and the sitting president is STILL a tool named George Bush. :crazy:

Then again, I couldn't vote when this mythical, legendary election took place. :hide:

[Odin2005]

95. What a ridiculous, over the top argument.

Just because compromising with Nazis is evil doesn't mean all compromise is evil. A democratic society cannot function without compromise because people don't agree on everything, "My way or the highway" is totalitarian BS.

[Kelly Rupert]

100. Here's uninformed political commentary in a nutshell:

Bob: "I believe in never ever ever compromising with anyone else."
Tim: "You know who else believed that? Hitler."

[Steve_in_California]

101. The Hegalian Dialectic

Look it up.

[ulysses]

105. HegElian.

And Hegel can jump up my ass. :)

[2rth2pwr]

106. Yes, that's called a bipartisan result. nt