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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 09:03 AM
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What Hillary Has Learned from '93
Back in 1993, when Hillary Clinton first tried to reform the nation's health-insurance system, Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan warned about the difficulty of getting such a gargantuan bill passed: "The Senate has its own peculiar ecology," he told me. "Something like this passes with 75 votes or not at all." Moynihan was then chairman of the Finance Committee, the Senate's natural choke point for big social-engineering schemes. He was worried that the Clintons, especially the First Lady, were being stubborn, trying to jam their bill through with a bare majority rather than build a bipartisan consensus. At the end of his presidency, I asked Bill Clinton what would have happened if he and Hillary had discarded their 1,300-page brontosaurus of a bill and built a bipartisan consensus around the simpler, sketchier — but also universal — Republican plan proposed by Senator John Chafee of Rhode Island. "Maybe that would have worked," Clinton acknowledged. Well, Hillary Clinton has now introduced Health Care 2.0, and — lo and behold! — it is a direct descendant of the plan she chose not to support in 1993. And with some clever consensus building, it is just the sort of bill that may have a chance to work.

Warning: any discussion of the American health-insurance system is doomed to density. For many, the very concept of insurance is a natural snooze button. But we do have a problem. Our bizarre, disorganized crazy quilt of a health-care system is clattering toward a fall. It is inefficient in the extreme and therefore foolishly expensive. It leaves 47 million people uncovered — and millions of others worrying about how much coverage they have and how much they'll have to pay for it next year and how long their employers will continue to provide it. The sheer anxiety inherent in all this is an incalculable drag on the economy. The question is, How do you reform the system without making it worse and without scaring the majority of people who are happy with their current doctors and health plans? If you're Hillary Clinton, you start by calling your proposal the American Health Choices Plan — to emphasize how different it is from the 1993 one-size-fits-all rendition — and keep on repeating the market-tested word choice throughout your speech. You say things like, "Here's how my plan will work: If you have private insurance you like, nothing changes ... You like the doctor you have, you can keep that doctor."

But two important things would change. Clinton's "choices" come with two national mandates — for individuals and for insurance companies. Individuals will have to buy health insurance, just as car owners have to buy auto insurance. Those who can't afford it will be subsidized by the government, which is why universal plans are so expensive; Clinton's plan has a $110 billion annual budget. But an estimated one-third of the 47 million who don't have health insurance are people who can afford it, mostly healthy young people who don't think they need it. They do, of course; the rest of us subsidize their care when they show up at the emergency room after a skateboarding accident. Their presence in the system will make health insurance less expensive for everyone else. This is a bold move on Clinton's part. Of the major candidates, only John Edwards has presented a plan with a similar requirement. It is a detail that Barack Obama, with his army of youthful supporters and his claim to audacity, avoids.

"Her load is lighter now, and the job confronting those who would defeat her is getting tougher every week."--Time

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1663644,00.html
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 09:36 AM
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1. ...
:kick:
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 09:47 AM
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2. Thanks Billy. That is a very good article
She has plenty of confidence and leaves the repugs

stammering

It's funny how writers are already calling Bill, First Laddie.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 12:18 PM
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8. Funny? I'd say it's sickening. n/t
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 12:46 PM
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10. A pollster was interviewed this morning on MSNBC
He said Hillary is approaching 50% approval

Now THAT is fantastic. :woohoo: :applause: :woohoo:
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 12:54 PM
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11. Yeah buddy...
Edited on Thu Sep-20-07 12:54 PM by redqueen
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silverojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 05:45 AM
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18. Fantastic for the insurance companies
First her husband made welfare and medicaid harder to get (and completely unavailable to single people unless they were applying for disability). Now she wants to force people to pay for insurance, instead of providing a REAL plan that would provide health care.

Even if she does get elected, the Repukes in Congress will eat her alive. And health care will still be in crisis.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 10:13 AM
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3. joe klein?
he`s the biggest suck up in journalism today. clinton`s health care is a big pile of dog shit on the living room carpet...
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 10:18 AM
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4. Thanks for offering your lack of substance.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 11:33 AM
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6. there`s no substance in her plan and for joe...
"What I actually said was "the hate America tendency of the left wing" had made it harder for Democrats to challenge Republicans on foreign policy."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joe-klein/the-crucial-difference-be_b_19124.html
Joe Klein: The Crucial Difference Between Liberals and Leftists - The Huffington Post

so fucking sorry the "hate america left wing" is making it so hard on the cowards who vote to keep the blood bath going...

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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 11:45 AM
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7. There we go with lack of substance again.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 12:18 PM
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9. You call THAT lack of substance?
Wow...
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 10:22 AM
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5. Lemme guess ...
Keep Bill on a short leash?

Don't let him anywhere near the interns? :eyes:
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 01:07 PM
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12. What Hillary DIDN'T learn from 1998
Sucking up to the right wing won't make them hate you less; they don't believe in coexistence because they don't think people with other opinions should exist. At least she doesn't have her husband's Achilles' heel of needing everyone to love him, but on a fundamental level, she just doesn't get it.

So, she'll sell us down the river on all sorts of things counting on some reciprocation that'll never come. Then again, she's not to the left of center anyway, so many of these issues aren't such a big deal for her.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 01:13 PM
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13. This is the issue that DEMANDS that
Edited on Thu Sep-20-07 01:21 PM by ProudDad
hillary NOT BE NOMINATED...

Oh, she's "learned her lesson" all right. Suck up to the health insurance mafia and big pharma for the big bucks -- then screw the rest of us...

Her "health insurance" mandate is BULLSHIT... Over 25% of people driving cars in California DO NOT HAVE INSURANCE -- including the last three that have hit the cars of me and mine...

I don't WANT "health insurance", I FUCKING WANT HEALTH CARE!!!!

Her "program" does NOT guarantee care -- it shovels money at the very industry that is DENYING US CARE as a matter of policy and for corporate profits.

She could have made the assumption that we're all a "village" and that as a village, a community if you will, we should all contribute to a Universal, not for profit, People's Health Care Plan, oh, like HR676...

But no, ever the panderer to corporate interests and lacking the courage to do what's right, she spews a lot of triangulating hot air putting lipstick on the pig of rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic -- leaving the for-profit leeches in the Health Care mix (to string together some cliches -- like she does)...


BULLSHIT!!!! BULLSHIT!!!! BULLSHIT!!!! BULLSHIT!!!! BULLSHIT!!!! BULLSHIT!!!! BULLSHIT!!!! BULLSHIT!!!! BULLSHIT!!!! BULLSHIT!!!! BULLSHIT!!!! BULLSHIT!!!! BULLSHIT!!!! BULLSHIT!!!! BULLSHIT!!!! BULLSHIT!!!! BULLSHIT!!!! BULLSHIT!!!! BULLSHIT!!!! BULLSHIT!!!! BULLSHIT!!!!

:nuke: her...


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But What the Fuck... In selfish, mean-spirited amerika, she couldn't get this overly-complicated piece of shit passed anyway...

She'll just set back real health care reform another two decades just like the last time that crazy corporate tool was given the chance to fuck it up...
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 01:34 PM
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14. She will be nominated and she will win
:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :applause: :woohoo: :woohoo: :applause: :woohoo:
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 02:16 PM
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15. You know,
for some of us health care is a life and death issue...


not the mindless fucking horse race you appear to be playing at...


How much money HAVE you placed on hillary's nose anyway? :shrug:

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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 02:19 PM
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16. Your are correct my health is in a life or death situation right now,
Thats why I praise Hillary for her hard work and her comprehensive health care package.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 09:49 PM
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17. You're SURE it will cover you?
Edited on Thu Sep-20-07 09:51 PM by ProudDad
If you have a pre-existing condition, it won't...not in time...

It won't cover me...

It won't cover my daughter or son-in-law...

We don't make enough to afford ANY kind of "health insurance" but make too much to qualify as "poor"...

Tough shit for us, eh?


If you have a "medical condition" you'd better work your ass off for real Health Care - HR676 - Health Care for ALL... and someone who would sign it -- and that AIN'T HILLARY...
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