Open Left will have a list of the Dems who voted to condemn Move On.

[madfloridian]

http://openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=1465

"The GOP-introduced resolution condemning MoveOn just passed by a huge margin, 72-25. Roughly half the Democrats in the Senate supported it.

A couple of the more interesting votes: Jim Webb, who just yesterday was a Netroots hero, voted for it, even though the last thing he needs as a military guy is cover on something like this.

Meanwhile, Hillary -- who's been under assault by Rudy for refusing to condemn MoveOn but who's also locked in a tough Dem primary -- stood her ground and voted No.

We'll have a list of Dems who backed this thing and Dems who voted against it in a bit. Stay tuned."

[Zodiak]

1. Good...list them

But I can already take a good guess as to which ones they are. These are patterns I have been noting for the last three years.

[rinsd]

2. Good for Hillary!

[halobeam]

3. k and r

for action.

[Dawgs]

4. I'm sorry, but the MoveOn ad was not a good idea.

It will hurt the cause more than help it.

[madfloridian]

6. It was a powerful ad. Our Democrats just crossed the line of free speech.

I hate to think they are not for free speech, so I will just for the moment go with "stupid." Or "fearful"

[Catchawave]

That which doth not kill MoveOn, will make them stronger.

I've sent them another donation :D

[paulk]

58. please explain how they

"crossed the line of free speech".

[redqueen]

8. Whatever... you didn't see Repukes lining up to condemn the Swift Boat liars, did you?

UGH

[Dawgs]

42. I'm not sure I understand your point. I'm not saying anything about the vote today.

My position is on the ad itself. Geez!!

[redqueen]

43. Sorry...

Yeah... I don't care about the ad...

[bellasgrams]

14. I agree with dawgs on the ad

Moveon and CodePink often do things that are not good for the party. When Moveon first got started I thought they were great but now they are often over the top. Also code pink is sometimes putting a bad light on us.

[redqueen]

17. We appreciate your 'concern'.

Truly.

[paulk]

59. hey! I agree with "dawgs", too!

which is actually kind of rare...


do you also appreciate my "concern"?

[ShortnFiery]

33. "not good for the party" = BINGO! They're both Anti-War - and NOT part of The Democratic Party.

Ya know, some of us believe that ending this illegal and immoral occupation should be TOP PRIORITY. Yes, <shriek> even above party loyalties. You know KILLING in War sort of makes it more important than political bent. :shrug:

[Dawgs]

34. I didn't say I don't like or support MoveOn. I just think that in this case they went too far.

[ShortnFiery]

36. Well, this Occupation hasn't changed, I don't think they went too far ... what is the party doing?nt

[bpeale]

39. and it's not even just that

when you put yourself out there as a public figure you have to expect that someone will have something to say about you. Betray-us needs to grow a spine. So does congress. It's about time someone put together a list of things on which the republicans have obstructed (for reference of course). You know we're going to need it.

[ShortnFiery]

67. Two Words:

Swift Boat

[Dawgs]

41. That's fine. I did.

I think they could have gotten their message across in a better way.

[Carolina]

37. What's good?

Making nice?!

The Party doesn't seem to give a rat's ass about anything save what repukes think and what is safe for the next election.

[rinsd]

46. To me the more important issue and I think you will agree

Is not whether the MoveOn ad was effective or wrong or whatever.

Its that Congress should not be passing resolutions condemning an advocacy group simply because they spoke in impolite terms about the face of military policy for the administration.

[Carolina]

5. 11% approval

of Congress just took a nosedive in my book. What is the use of supporting Dems any more?
This should never have even come to the floor for a vote!
But since it did, it should have been shot down swiftly!

Thanks, Sen. Boxer, but I am truly doubting that "elections have consequences" when our Dem majority is so hapless.

[AndyA]

7. Amen. n/m

:(

[redqueen]

9. But... centrists are the MAJORITY!

We MUST bend to their will!

Red state dems! Red state dems!


:puke:

[SIMPLYB1980]

61. I'm a red state Dem.

I'm a Red State Dem., and guess what I agree with most of the things you post Redqueen.

So I say Screw the Blue State Dems.:sarcasm:

We MUST bend to their will!
Since they are represented by someone like Nancy Pelosi who says "Impeachment is off the Table":sarcasm:

Blue State Dems! Blue State Dems!

:puke: :sarcasm:

:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

Or maybe we could work together to stop the creeping fascism that the Repukes are trying to force upon us.

[redqueen]

62. I am SO confused...

*sigh*

Sorry if I offended you... I just see that ALL the time as the reason why we more liberal types have to just shut up while the party moves ever rightward... and FWIW I'm a red state dem.

[SIMPLYB1980]

64. Sorry just a little touchy latley.

I just think that it hard enough living in a Red State if your a Moderate Dem, but if your a lefty like you and me it is especially hard. Both my parents are moderate Dems., and we all opposed the war at the onset, which in the eyes of our friends, and coworkers made us look crazy at the time. I just think that Dems in red states actually need more support than the Blue State Dems, and labeling us as the problem is just a cop out for the fact that we can't get anything done without a super majority. We need support not blame. Blame should be focused were it is truly deserved. The fascist that wormed their way into our government by rigging elections, and suppressing the votes of the American people.

[redqueen]

65. "labeling us as the problem is just a cop out "

That's certainly how I see it!

:toast:

I mean seriously... :wtf:... do we really think a blue state dem is gonna vote for a REPUKE? NOW?!

:banghead:

[SIMPLYB1980]

66. Glad to hear it!

Hope to hear it more from Blue Stater's.
:toast: :hug:

[ShortnFiery]

11. Don't forget, Senator Boxer initially campaigned for Joe Lieberman.

:(

[Carolina]

21. sadly true

but she voted against IWR, challenged Condiliar during the approval hearings for her promotion to Secretary of State, and is generally a fighter of the good fight.

How ya doing SnF? :hi: I know you've been getting a hard time from supporters of a certain candidate.

[ShortnFiery]

27. Yeah, I like Boxer - and in all fairness, once Lamont was nominated, she backed out.

Yes, I take it on the chin but I'm still on my feet. Best to you! :hi:

[ShortnFiery]

10. I would expect nothing less of Webb - he's blue dog. Don't like it but this is Virginia ...

Yes, I do NOT like it but it was "on principle" (misguided as it is) and not FEAR. :(

I want to know about the others - they are just, IMO, chicken-shit of the DLC and the pukes. :grr:

[RufusTFirefly]

12. They should've just Tasered the group and Moved On

This is an incredible smokescreen, a classic instance of both misdirection and shooting the messenger.

Republicans kill efforts to supply needed leave for the military. Support our troops, my ass.
Republicans kill efforts to restore 700-year-old tradition of habeas corpus. Who needs the foundation of modern democracy?

And with this, where is the outrage focused?

On MoveOn.

Makes sense only in an insane world.

[Mass]

13. Roll call here.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=1&vote=00344

[redqueen]

Cardin, Caper, Casey, Leahy

I can't read it anymore... too fuckin sickening.

[cascadiance]

57. Leahy is my big disappointment...

I really thought better of him than that!

[wyldwolf]

23. Obama misses another vote.

[Clintonista2]

47. He didn't miss it- he was in the senate and he abstained

[William769]

50. He seems to be quite good at that.

[zeemike]

29. I am proud to say

That my senator Bingaman (D NM) voted NEY
But of course Dominachi )R) voted yea but that ass would.

[Mass]

30. I am proud to say my two senators voted NO!

Hopefully, you can get rid of Domenici soon.

[tularetom]

15. I just sent move on another 25 bucks

Every time I read or hear some asshole bad mouthing them I'm gonna kick in a few dollars. I may go broke in the process.

[madfloridian]

16. Hell, maybe MoveOn should be more polite?

Like all the little Bushies have been through the years?

This is a slap in the face to the base and to the anti-war Democrats.

The Dems in the senate to day showed they cared more about Bush's base than about standing with us.

[ShortnFiery]

24. This election cycle will be the first time in twelve years that I have not volunteered for Democrats

Damn! We are going to have to have nothing less than an exorcism to extract "the filth" that is the DLC corporate democrats. We, as a party are going to have to HURT BAD before the leadership changes. And we sure as hell, need NEW LEADERS! :thumbsdown:

[Carolina]

32. Exactly, I have campaigned

and donated to Dems since 1968. No more. No way. Not this cycle.

Many friends, aware of my longstanding political activism, are shocked by my disgust but when I explain why, they turn scared, some even saying if "someone like you is so pissed at the system and even at Dems, then we really are in trouble!"

No shit.

[ShortnFiery]

18. By Jove! We can vote on censuring a liberal organization, YET there's no vote on "troop rest"

nor "detainee rights." :crazy:

[RufusTFirefly]

19. Here are the Nays and Not Votings

NAYs ---25
Akaka (D-HI)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brown (D-OH)
Byrd (D-WV)
Clinton (D-NY)
Dodd (D-CT)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Levin (D-MI)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Murray (D-WA)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Sanders (I-VT)
Schumer (D-NY)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Whitehouse (D-RI)
Wyden (D-OR)

Not Voting - 3
Biden (D-DE)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Obama (D-IL)

[madfloridian]

20. Here's the roll call vote.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=1&vote=00344

Sickening.

[madfloridian]

22. Biden Obama took easy way out....abstained.

.

[Clintonista2]

26. Sickening, he abstains from all controversial votes

While he was in the state legislature, he voted "present" on all abortion bills.

[Freddie Stubbs]

31. He did not abstain

If he had abstained, he would have been listed as 'present.'

[madfloridian]

38. Then he just did not choose to stand with us.

Either way it is damning.

[WCGreen]

40. It's not about standing with us....

It's about standing up for the US...

[madfloridian]

44. It is about OUR free speech. The right wing HAS their freedom.

Our party panders to them more than to their base...US

[WCGreen]

52. It's about US as in the United States...

Not about us, as in people here on DU...

Listen, free speech is free speech and should be protected, especially political free speech...

[zulchzulu]

45. Obama is on Senate record as "Not voting". To abstain is different.

For whatever reason, Obama was not present (along with Biden and Cantwell) to cast a vote.

To abstain is to cast a vote but to support neither a positive or negative recommendation.

When asked about condemning the MoveOn ad:

"I am less interested in the motives or what General Petraeus or Ambassador Crocker are responsible for than I am for what the president is responsible for, and that is the mission that has been assigned to those people. I think the mission is a failure."
- Barack Obama

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tag/obama-moveon-ad

[Clintonista2]

48. Obama cast another vote in the senate an hour earlier

He was there.

[madfloridian]

49. As I said.....

he did not vote. He did not take a stand. I guess I need to write a formal apology for the use of the word abstain.

Or maybe congress will condemn me

[AtomicKitten]

55. Obama has a rally in Atlanta this afternoon. (nt)

[NV Whino]

25. Boxer voted nay

But Fucking Feinstein vote yay. Jesus H. !

[madfloridian]

28. Interesting. Nothing front page at Daily Kos. Why?

Why would that be?

[madison]

35. I just sent my donation to MoveOn.org.

I just sent a donation to MoveOn.org.

The really sick part of this is that the senate refused to also pass a resolution condemning all the rightwing ads attacking Democratic military heroes, such as Max Cleland (lost two legs and an arm in Vietnam) and John Kerry (won Silver Star in Vietnam).

YOU can contribute to MoveOn.org (to show support for all they have done for ALL the causes we care about) at: https://pol.moveon.org/donate/donate.html

[Robbins]

53. Democrats

What In the hell Is their problem?They should have keep this from the floor.When the Antiwar Left Is still upset over their not doing anything to end the war this Is just stupid.This will divide the
party even more.Obama made a huge mistake here.Hillary can now be seen as a friend of the antiwar
Left.This proves out of the 8 senator Democrats elected we only have 3 true Democats(Brown,Cardin,
WhiteHouse) and Bernie Sanders acts more like a Democrat than many suspose Democrats.Why Is It Ok to trash John Kerry and Max Cleveland,and yet point out a General Is doing Bush's work In calling the surge a success and trying to keep the war going?

[2rth2pwr]

51. These are the Ayes

Baucus
Bayh-D
Cardin-D
Carper-D
Casey-D
Conrad-D
Dorgan-D
Feinstein-D
Johnson-D
Klobuchar-D
Kohl-D
Landrieu-D
Leahy-D
Lieberman-I
Lincoln-D
McCaskill-D
Mikulski-D
Nelson, Ben-D
Nelson, Bill-D
Salazar-D
Tester-D
Webb-D

[xxqqqzme]

54. Thank god there are no other pressing issues

facing this country today. Yea lets condemn MoveOn and do NOTHING about the swift boat liars - who BTW - are still spreading their hate & lies.

[girl gone mad]

60. Exactly.

This is just as lame as all of the OJ coverage.

[babylonsister]

56. A list has already been posted:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1858350

[madfloridian]

63. I posted this a little before that post.

I had just happened on it at Open Left.

Now there are many lists, and it is way too late to compare the hour and minutes.