Voting for or against DUMB Shit - Why those who didn't vote were the smartest

[FrenchieCat]

The Senate Resolution against MoveOn was some dumb shit based on some GOP frame that has nothing to do with anything. Those who even bothered to vote should not have.....because doing so only helped the GOP.....whichever way one voted.

Those who voted NO are just as silly and wrong as those who voted Yeah....because it goes to show that none understood that this was nothing but some GOP orchestrated dumb shit...

and folks, we are also being taken on a ride. By expressing our strong opinions on how Democratic Senators voted, we are playing right into the GOP's little maneuver. They want us to react as we are reacting. They are laughing their asses off if they are reading this board, that's for sure.

If Obama and whomever other senators running for the big office understood this whole notion for what it was and that is the reason that they didn't vote on this dumb shit, more power to them!

It takes two to tango, and without the votes from the Democrats, this would look just like what it was; GOP propaganda bullshit gone wild.

When we will all learn? :eyes:

[endarkenment]

1. Those who didn't vote chickened out.

"Those who voted NO are just as silly and wrong as those who voted Yeah...."

nice try.

[FrenchieCat]

4. Voting for some GOP maneuver is a lose/lose proposition.......

and that's exactly what we end up being; the losers.

POLITICS 101 -

RULE 1. Divide and conquer.

[endarkenment]

19. Oh please, you are so wrong.

What should have happened is that our senate leaders should not have allowed this resolution on the floor to begin with.

Once it was on the floor our party should have stood up and voted it down. Had we voted it down, we would have won. Instead, we lost. There is nothing complicated here other than the rationalizations of those not willing to admit the truth.

The truth is that Petraeus lied. The truth is that the moveon ad could not be faulted on the facts. The truth is that half of our Senate Democratic caucus is actually loyal to the Kleptocracy and War Party, not to the Democratic Party.

Obama's non-vote was a dismal act of cowardice.

[FrenchieCat]

28. There is no truth in Bullshit......only Lose/Lose.......

If you don't recognize the game that the GOP played on us, then I'll know when reading your political analysis in the future that you like the taste of bullshit.

I say, Push the Plate Away from the table! It ain't gonna be good no matter if you add salt or pepper or hot sauce on it.

[rateyes]

2. Then why did Obama vote for

the first resolution? Why didn't he abstain from both votes?

[Connie_Corleone]

6. Obama wasn't there to vote on the republican amendment.

He left early to go to Atlanta for a rally.

[Clintonista2]

8. Why is a rally more important than his job as senator?

[FrenchieCat]

12. It's all bullshit, I tell you.........and the GOP has you where it wants you.....

disparaging being or not being there for their bullshit.

Personally, I'm glad he had to leave. Shows that bullshit is not that important to some.

[Milo_Bloom]

21. Nothing about this involves his job.

Let's get real.

Being there to vote on a propoganda non-binding, public slap vote is not part of his job and shouldn't have been allowed at all. It is a waste of time and energy to have a vote that DOES nothing.

[Clintonista2]

25. There seems to be two contradicting theories being spouted by Obama supporters

1) Obama simply had a rally to attend, which is why he wasn't there to vote

&

2) Obama didn't vote because he had to prove that it was a waste of time



So which is it? You can't have it both ways.

[Milo_Bloom]

34. What type of BS are you spouting?

Obama SUPPORTERS don't have a real clue as to why... all they can do is give your their theories. Some say one thing (it is their guess), some say another (it is their guess) and some say something else (that is their guess).

If OBAMA gave conflicting reasons for why he didn't vote, that would be a story, but Obama Supporter #1, not agreeing with Obama Supporter #2? You got to be kidding.

[Clintonista2]

36. Then Obama supporters shouldn't treat their theories as fact

[Milo_Bloom]

39. They don't. They are offering opinions and that is all they can do.

If others can't tell the difference between the statement of a candidate and a statement of a supporter theorizing on a reason a candidate did something, I don't know what to tell you.

[Lord Helmet]

66. both #1 and #2 can be and are true.

He had shit to do and wasn't about to throw in with the republicans,
ya he can have it both ways but your brain has to be able to understand complexities that are obviously beyond you

[Ethelk2044]

59. They should have tied this bullshit to getting the soldiers out Iraq. Dems are real dumb

They let the repugs get what they want instead of Us getting what we want. The soldiers out of Iraq.

[rateyes]

17. Sounds convenient. The next vote was taken immediately after

the first one. So, I assume Obama will be making public the way he would have voted had he not had to leave early?

[FrenchieCat]

7. I said "IF" in reference to OBama......

as I don't know why he voted or didn't vote on this dumb shit.

I'm not calling him a hero....I just think that his non-vote was the best vote on this bullshit.

[DURHAM D]

10. Nice try. n/t

[FrenchieCat]

13. THanks!

:hi:

[Enrique]

3. playing into their hands

exactly right.

This vote will have no consequences for MoveOn, for Petraeus, for the troops, for you and me.

The sole reason the republicans did this is to give people something to punish dems with. Which is what everyone is doing.

[Cameron27]

5. I wish that every Democrat in the chamber

had just walked out.

[FrenchieCat]

9. Now, that would have been a message heard..........

but that would have taken ingenuity and courage.

Status quo folks don't seem to have that in them these days.

[Mythsaje]

11. I have to agree...

They should have just said, "Sure, we'll vote on this as soon as we vote on the condemnation of THESE statements from Coulter, Malkin, Limbaugh, and so on... Otherwise, why don't you just sit down and shut up."

[FrenchieCat]

16. Now that would have been something courageous to have done.....

instead of even qualifying what these Pubs were doing by taking the time to vote on some bullshit GOP political maneuver set up to disparage the Dems.

[Mythsaje]

24. I think I'm just as pissed that it was allowed to come to a vote

as that any of the Dems voted for it in the first place.

It was stupid political manuevering, "political theater," that should've been shot down in flames the minute it reared its stupid head.

[JTFrog]

14. So this vote

is now deemed a character defining vote, yet the IWR vote should be irrelevant? :eyes:

[FrenchieCat]

18. I don't believe that at all......

IMO, the IWR was not a bullshit vote.

while this was, IMO.

[JTFrog]

35. I meant according to

those who are slamming Obama on this. (I guess the eyes should have been a sarcasm tag, sorry).

I agree with you. I'm just amazed at the weight some are putting into this after trying to tell us something as important as the IWR should be irrelevant.

[FrenchieCat]

43. Well, Obama might be "let off the hook" if he just waits 3 years....

and then apologizes via a Ed-Op for having not voted on this historically important vote. :shrug:

[BeyondGeography]

15. Yes indeed...as if the "no" votes aren't going to be thrown in our face in the GE

Funny how many here are getting drunk on that short-term swill. This is the lamest amendement in memory. We should have abstained across the board, but then certain war resolution supporters wouldn't get some cheap anti-war street cred, would they?

[FrenchieCat]

23. This is as bad as the Schiavo bullshit!

How many times must we fall for this bullshit....and give it credence that it doesn't deserve by posting up and down all over these boards about it.....beyond calling it bullshit? :shrug:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

27. If Obama Thought The Amendment Was Bogus He Could Have Abstained

That's a lot different than not voting...

[gateley]

20. It's as though those abstaining just looked at the situation, rolled their eyes,

and let the children squabble among themselves. It's true there's no place for something like that in the Senate. It's embarrassing. I will give props who voted 'nay', though, but as someone else said, it would have been powerful if they all got up and exited at once. We can dream...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

31. They Didn't Abstain

There's a different between "abstain" and did not vote...

Abstaining would have meant spending some political capital...

[gateley]

46. I didn't know that there was a difference, so thanks for enlightening me. Do

you mean to say that a No Vote is like they were no-shows, and Abstaining meant they would in essence cast their vote by abstaining? (If you get what I'm trying to ask).

[goodgd_yall]

32. You wish

Most likely Obama and Biden were involved in campaign activities. I don't blame them, after all it wasn't a vote on a bill, but I doubt their actions had anything to do with taking a higher road.

[gateley]

41. Biden isn't off campaigning. He's there and will be addressing the Senate

shortly. So until or if I hear differently, I'm viewing his actions as "taking the higher road". I like how you put that.

[rateyes]

Why did Harry Reid allow a vote on this nonsense

in the first place?

[redqueen]

30. I could have sworn I saw someone post

that there was no way to stop the bill... I can't find it now.

I really don't get how the Dems excuse for YEARS was that they couldn't get their bills to the floor... but now we find that it is actually really difficult to stop minority party bills.

:shrug:

[rateyes]

37. Yeah, well if this amendment to the bill

gets passed in the House, and is attached to a bill that sets a mandatory timeline....I'll be happy to say that Bush vetoed the moveon.org censure resolution.

But, my guess is, we'll write another blank check in the name of the "supporting our troops" bullshit...which is what this propaganda was all about.

[redqueen]

47. You mean...

that the senate is showing anti-war types that they need to just shut up and sit down while they continue to funnel billions into the occupation of iraq?

[rateyes]

57. Yep. That's what I mean. nt

[William769]

22. Freud would be proud of you.

[redqueen]

26. This wasn't dumb shit... it's about free speech and the truth.

The 9/11 "let's have a meaningless circle jerk for old time's sake while we blow billions on iraq" bill... now THAT was dumb shit.

[FrenchieCat]

33. Bullshit might be your truth......

but there was no there there.

Move on doesn't need to be defended in the congress.
They are already protected by the constitution!

Call it what it was; GOP manipulative Bullshit!

[redqueen]

38. No, Petraeus being full of shit is the truth... his betraying us is the truth.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

42. I Didn't Like The Ad But It's Not The Job Of The Senate To Cenure Public Interest Groups

And if Obama and Biden thought the bill was bogus they should have abstained instead of not voting at all...

[redqueen]

44. It certainly is not...

and I'd still love to know how it was this bill could not be stopped and just HAD to go to the floor.

I really want to understand that.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

48. I Would Have Abstained

And that's how I would have explained my abstention...

To not vote demonstrates political cowardice...


Hillary deserves some props... She's going to get roasted by the wignuts but they will never vote for her anyway...

[gateley]

49. You're right -- probably more important question than who voted how. nt

[Catchawave]

29. Why didn't the Senate condemn the Swiftboat guys ?

The Purple Band Aid brigade at the '04 GOP convention?

The troops in Iraq who first labeled Petraeus as General Betray-us ?

Those idiot "God Hates Fags" who protest the troops' funerals ?

Was that all thrown out of consideration as "free speech" ?? And everyone of those asshole groups pissed on the troops and veterans.

Most important, why hasn't the Senate condemned Bush?

/rant

:hi:

[FrenchieCat]

40. That's why this was bullshit....and didn't deserve a vote........

and the fact that I see so many on these boards falling for this is very discouraging!

Now, if we had 30 threads on the defeat of the Webb Amendment, then I'd be all for that....oh...But I forgot.....that was way yesterday!

[DURHAM D]

45. I think the resolution is pretty tame and no big deal.

It didn't mention Moveon. However, Moveon is getting a boat load of free publicity. I wonder what their increased hit count has been in the past week? Wonder how much their donations have increased?

I think the only votes that really mattered on this resolution were the ones cast by Dems running for the presidency - not because the resolution itself matters but because they needed to show up and vote. Two skipped. One apparently for the entire day and another just before the resolution vote. Juggling campaign schedules while trying to remain a viable member of the body to which you are currently elected is tough.

It's hard out there for a candidate.

I wonder what candidate Elizabeth Edwards will have to say about Obama missing the vote, Biden missing the vote and the others voting against the resolution. Its clear from her comments she would have voted with the majority.

[FrenchieCat]

50. Good analysis........

and humorous too! :rofl:

[Cameron27]

52. Candidate Elizabeth Edwards is strangely silent

on this vote, although you're right, from her comments, she would have voted with the minority.

[DURHAM D]

53. No - she would have voted with the majority. n/t

[Cameron27]

65. oops, you're right

she came out against the move on ad.

[Grandrose]

51. Thank you, thank you.....

I have been so upset about the Obama bashing, I couldn't type the words you so brilliantly posted!

Would someone please explain why Reid isn't the one condemned for letting this piece of crap come up for a vote? Condemn the Democratics who voted FOR it!

:mad:

[FrenchieCat]

58. Dumb shit leads to dumb action......and dumb words.....

count this as just that.

[Adelante]

54. They voted for the Boxer amendment

which was good. But the Dems could have wiped their asses with the piece of toilet paper your OP refers to by not voting on the measure. At. All.

[FrenchieCat]

55. AMEN......

Rove is out there somewhere turning somersaults. The Dems do it again!

Webb amendment not allowed onto the floor gets barely any press.

Dems voting lose/lose on bullshit, and we are all aglow!

[flpoljunkie]

56. Absolutely!

[Ethelk2044]

60. I agree

[Lord Helmet]

61. what a dumbass vote

the democrats should have laughed in their faces

[FrenchieCat]

64. Dumb and Dumber........

nays and ayes.

giving fodder to the 28% Prez and his crew! :eyes:

[Sparkly]

62. Yup...

They're using MoveOn as a MAJOR distraction.

[grasswire]

63. I have to agree with you.

Refuse to play their silly tortured vote games. Make them own the foolishness by rising above. Public opinion can easily be turned against Republicans if Dems stick together and boycott this kind of thing.

[AtomicKitten]

67. You are correct, mam.