Did Obama and Biden Demonstrate Poliical Courgage By Not Voting On The Bill To Censure MoveOn.Org

[William769]

[rox63]

1. It had nothing to do with political courage

They were probably off campaigning somewhere. Their votes would not have changed the outcome of anything.

[rateyes]

2. Obama voted aye on the Boxer amendment...

so, he wasn't off campaigning somewhere. As for Biden, I don't know.

[sandnsea]

4. That's what he does to political legislation apparently

He just boycotts it. He shouldn't have voted on either one.

[William769]

8. Like the debate tonight?

[sandnsea]

14. AARP? Pssht,

Their day is done and he knows it.

[William769]

15. I thinks it's the other way around.

He's done, and HE KNOWS IT!

[durrrty libby]

17. It doesn't matter what the organization is. He just told a bunch

of seniors to eat shit and die

They will spread the word

[Ethelk2044]

24. He did more for the Seniors than Hillary. He his policy proposed

cuts in their Taxes. The dog you are trying to spin does not walk here.

[William769]

25. You got proof of that or is this just more of your BS?

[durrrty libby]

32. As usual, you are incoherent

[Colobo]

44. You wish, Will, you wish...

[gateley]

10. Biden is not off campaigning. He is there and scheduled to address the Senate

shortly. Until or if I learn differently, I view Biden's abstinence as a statement of how he felt on such a lame bill.

[sandnsea]

3. I Don't Fucking Care - Feingold didn't either

HE is the one who displayed political courage. I'd like to have seen him take the floor and simply say "Shut The Fuck Up - People Are DYING"

:banghead:

[goodgd_yall]

7. I saw him on the roll call voting NAY. n/t

[sandnsea]

11. To both

He voted against Boxer and Cornyn, both of them. A clear fuck this stupidity vote if I ever saw one.

[rateyes]

9. Feingold voted no on both of them.

And, he is courageous.

[sandnsea]

12. Exactly, because it's stupid n/t

[goodgd_yall]

23. Good for him

Because the Boxer amendment was just as idiotic, I agree.

[Milo_Bloom]

5. Neither.

It was a BS bill that didn't deserve to be acknowledged in the first place.

[gateley]

6. Since Biden is actually present, I interpret his abstaining as a statement. Obama

left for a campaign appointment before this came up for vote, so I don't know if we can view is abstinence as courage or absence. Personally, I don't think he 'chickened' out, but may have voted if he hadn't had to leave.n Can't second-guess him, though.

Biden, I'm hoping, will come out with a strong statement on why it was so ludicrous and shouldn't have even been on the Senate floor.

[democratsin08]

13. very cowardly

i disagree with hillary here but she had the courage to vote.

[Ethelk2044]

26. Bull Shit. He did the right thing.

[jillan]

16. All of the Dems should have sat it out.

I have no answer about Biden.

On Sunday he said that even tho he didn't agree with the Moveon ad, that they had every right to do it.
That it was an expression of the frustration many people feel for this administration not telling us the truth.

[harun]

20. I think this is what the best option was as well, every Dem should

have agreed to boycott the vote because it was nonsense and not what the Senate should be spending its time on.

[goodgd_yall]

18. I'd like to point out that if Obama had voted NAY

There would be fewer posts saying the amendment for condemning criticism against Petraeus and the armed forces is stupid and doesn't mean anything.

[William769]

22. And we will never know, will we?

[Ethelk2044]

27. Hillary spinner at it's works

[William769]

29. Care to explain the spin?

How will we know?

[sandnsea]

34. Jena Trumps name-calling

I posted this quite some time ago. I've been appalled at DU's priorities all day. Feingold-Reid isn't getting as much attention as this absolutely fucking assinine name-calling is.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1859191&mesg_id=1859191

[William769]

37. What you have been appalled at your deflection tactics have not worked today.

[sandnsea]

39. Deflection tactics??

Done with you. Good bye.

[William769]

42. Thats what I thought.

[FrenchieCat]

19. Bullshit poll on a bullshit issue........

equals total bullshit!

Put up that same poll on the IWR resolution vote and then we can talk.

[William769]

21. That has been talked about ad nauseam.

This just happened. I know you don't like that little fact but there it is.

[Ethelk2044]

28. She still voted wrong. Bottom line she should have took a stance on Iraq war vote

She is still a coward for not apologizing to the Soldiers and their families.

[William769]

30. Once again this is a dead issue.

When you all realize that, maybe you can get Obama campaign kick started. He's losing and losing big.

[FrenchieCat]

31. The IWR was a death issue perhaps.....but not yet "dead"......

today's Resolution on the other hand, was....

[William769]

33. Care to show me where it's not a dead issue?

[FrenchieCat]

36. No I agree that it still concerns dead.......

and the living.....


There have been 4,091 coalition deaths -- 3,792 Americans, two Australians, 169 Britons, 13 Bulgarians, one Czech, seven Danes, two Dutch, two Estonians, one Fijian, one Hungarian, 33 Italians, one Kazakh, one Korean, three Latvian, 21 Poles, two Romanians, five Salvadoran, four Slovaks, 11 Spaniards, two Thai and 18 Ukrainians -- in the war in Iraq as of September 20, 2007, according to a CNN count. (Graphical breakdown of casualties). The list below is the names of the soldiers, Marines, airmen, sailors and Coast Guardsmen whose deaths have been reported by their country's governments. The list also includes seven employees of the U.S. Defense Department. At least 27,936 U.S. troops have been wounded in action, according to the Pentagon.
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2003/iraq/forces/casualties/

The list doesn't count the Iraqi dead.

Did anyone die yesterday?

Most likely. :shrug:

[William769]

38. And how does that affect Hillary?

If it did she would not be riding high in the poll's. I am almost tempted to use the word soaring.

[FrenchieCat]

40. Don't be so tempted......just yet.....

as it ain't even close to being over.

I have nothing against Sen. Clinton.


I just know bullshit when I see it. And that Resolution vote was nothing but.

[William769]

41. You have nothing against Senator Clinton.

Well I guess we can add another thing to the list of what you are.

[FrenchieCat]

43. See here......

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3535334&mesg_id=3535720

[goodhue]

35. Biden skipped all 3 votes today, Obama just this one

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/vote_menu_110_1.htm