Hillary Clinton holds a convincing lead among Democratic presidential candidates

[William769]

This wasn’t supposed to be a cakewalk.

But as the fall campaign begins, Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton is showing signs that she’s on top of the Democratic field to stay.

Up 2-to-1 in many national polls, Clinton leads convincingly in the early primary states of New Hampshire and South Carolina. In first-in-the-nation Iowa, still viewed as a three-way contest between Clinton, Barack Obama and John Edwards, the New York senator led by five points in the two latest polls, supplanting Edwards, who led last winter and spring.

“If they can’t beat her in Iowa, it’s going to be amazingly difficult to catch her,” said University of Iowa political scientist Bruce Gronbeck.

Nine months ago, things looked strikingly different. Back then, Obama was hot property, smiling confidently on magazine covers, raising money like a seasoned pro and nearly matching Clinton in early-voter surveys.

http://www.kansascity.com/news/politics/story/286022.html

[msongs]

1. editorial opinon, not necessarily facts...

what it should say is according to polls of selected people with very small samples, the people polled show a decided preference.

other conclusions are just conjecture.

Msongs
www.msongs.com

[William769]

2. It is obviously clear that nothing seems to be fact for some on DU.

I know reality sucks for some, but hey thats life.

[jaysunb]

3. you're so right

just ask President Dean :evilfrown:

[William769]

4. I would if there were any similarities, but there isn't so I won't.

[Debi]

9. Actually it was President Lieberman at this point

:rofl:

[superkia]

6. Here is some fact for Clinton supporters.

Help me understand how this is good for our country? We are in a battle against the corporations for our country but the people have no voice because we have no money.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YvsrT8tz6U

All Clinton supporters please watch and comment! Yes reality does suck for some. I think Clinton could do better if her supporters didn't defend her with personal attacks, instead they should provide the voting public with information that helps us understand why she is best for our children's future and then we could all vote for her. Help us understand her, please!

[William769]

8. So?

What is she doing illegal?

If you don't like that get the law changed. BTW, I like Edwards but he is not the saint he nor his supporters paint him to be. Can anyone say hedge funds?

[superkia]

10. If thats how Americans look at it, no wonder the downward spiral...

continues? Have you missed the part where the government is already changing our constitution, they are making the laws work for them, the wealthy and the corporations. I hope that your response is only your response and not most Clinton supporters because if it is Clinton supporters have bought their agenda and spin, hook, line and sinker. Wow! I really never expected a response like that.

My question still is, not have they made it legal and acceptable but does this help us with the biggest problem we face? Corporations running the country and the people paying for it. The government was supposed to represent the people, not the way its going now. Why vote for a candidate who obviously has the corporations as their focus instead of the people of the United States of America. isn't that what the president is supposed to be doing?

[William769]

12. They are not changing the Constitution, they are circumventing it.

And you think Hillary would do the same? Maybe you should check her voting record, it's more liberal than Edwards.

[superkia]

15. I'm not an Edwards fan so you can stop pointing out his faults.

My issue is with giving the control of our country over the the corporations because as we all have seen, big profits for them means big problems for the people. The way I look it, when the heads of those committees agree to meet with the lobbyists, they are selling out the American people along with Clinton. When they take part in those practices legal or not, they are destroying the Democratic process. To ma anyone who supports a candidate that is destroying the country's Democratic foundation, they are no democrat. I would say closer to a republican or just a whole new breed. I don't understand why so many want to vote for someone that is destroying what we stand for?I understand Why Clinton and the other politicians like that do it, they are making money and staying in power. I don't see what a citizen has to gain from it when its proven that it hurts us as the corporations rape the system.

[William769]

18. Not pointing out Edwards faults, just yours. NT

[superkia]

23. Once again to help everyone make informed decisions.

"My question still is, not have they made it legal and acceptable but does this help us with the biggest problem we face? Corporations running the country and the people paying for it. The government was supposed to represent the people, not the way its going now. Why vote for a candidate who obviously has the corporations as their focus instead of the people of the United States of America. isn't that what the president is supposed to be doing?"

[2rth2pwr]

14. Many lobbyists do represent real people

lobbyist - people who are associated with groups (like labor unions, corporations, etc.) and who try to persuade members of the government (like members of Congress) to enact legislation that would benefit their group.
http://www.enchantedlearning.com/election/glossary.shtml

Unions, conservationists, nurses, teachers, womens groups, minority groups, anti-war groups, labor movements etc..etc.. all use lobbyists.

It is part of our freedoms that we are allowed to make our cases for or against legislation.

[superkia]

16. Its detsroying the democratic way of elections. Our candidates...

are selling us out for certain interests. If you side with one of the candidates that helps destroy our democratic process by taking part in this way of policy the most, I don't see you as a democrat. If we continue this way of politics, the people will continue to lose and the corporations will continue to win at our expense.

The situation they were talking about was not teachers I hate to tell you, it was industries that had to do with terrorism. Colin Powell warned of the emergence of a terrorism industrial complex because it only survives if the government keeps us living in fear. What do you think that means, what happens when all Americans are numb to the THREATS ( most already are), what comes after that? They cant let the people that paid them down can they? Also look at how much each candidate brings up terrorism and terrorists in their campaign instead of serious issues, that will tell you what their agenda is and who they represent.

[2rth2pwr]

17. If you are saying they are taking bribes they should be prosecuted

But any interest group has the right to lobby/petition our representatives to hear their point of view. If you want to outlaw access to members of Congess or Senate you're on the wrong track. If you receive campaign money from groups you are not required to vote the way they want. Many candidates received money from MoveOn that just voted against them yesterday.

[fenriswolf]

20. right

and "real" people have the money that they lobbiest are throwing at hillary for the chance to sit down with policy makers. a pimp is a pimp and our representatives are the wh*res

[superkia]

21. Sometimes common sense is more valuable than intelligence.

There are some intelligent people that don't have the common sense to recognize what is being done to our country. Some just don't search out the truth and follow the media but some search the truth and somehow don't see it.

[jaysunb]

25. Hats off to you

you have presented a compelling arguement that should be seriously considered.

I am personally disappointed with the Democratic Congress, and more and more I'm disgusted by those so called progressives that buy bullshit hook line and sinker.

Keep at it,there may be a few who will stop and think about their rabid support for a media created candidate. :thumbsup:

[Rock_Garden]

5. I've never seen a candidate work harder than Hillary.

How any of them do it is beyond me, and they still manage to make it to Congress and vote. Amazing. They're all thoroughbreds, in my mind.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

7. Any Candidate That Can Beat The GOOPERS Is OK With Me

eom

[superkia]

11. Any democratic candidate will win. Clinton though, has the toughest road ahead.

[Ron Green]

13. ...and Wal*Mart holds a convincing lead among retail stores.

That doesn't mean we ought to shop there, though.

[fenriswolf]

19. great plan

let the corporate media boost her polling numbers so that when she is elected all the repubs can vote for their party and the dem vote will be split once again because no way in hell is a real dem going to vote for hill

[2rth2pwr]

22. Real Dems are supporting her and will vote for her

Are you really saying that all these polling groups are shams?
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_primaries.html



RCP Average 09/07 to 09/19 Clinton +18.8

Rasmussen 09/16 - 09/19 Clinton +16

CBS News* 09/14 - 09/16 Clinton +21

Gallup 09/14 - 09/16 Clinton +22

Reuters/Zogby 09/13 - 09/16 Clinton +14

Pew Research 09/12 - 09/16 Clinton +17

Cook/RT Strategies 09/13 - 09/15 Clinton +13

FOX News 09/11 - 09/12 Clinton +19

AP-Ipsos 09/10 - 09/12 Clinton +20

American Res. Group 09/09 - 09/12 Clinton +18

NBC/WSJ 09/07 - 09/10 Clinton +21

CNN 09/07 - 09/09 Clinton +23

USA Today/Gallup 09/07 - 09/08 Clinton +21

[fenriswolf]

24. numbers real or not.

my point being that she may get elected but alot of people do not like her, alot of the democratic base does not like hillary because of her policies and stances on issues, plus the fact that real progressives do not want a corporate democrate taking over for a corporate republican. if she does get the primary and its very likely she will if those numbers have any truth to them then we will see the smear campaign and name calling and the conspiracy thereos that have revolved around her for years. The repubs will once again come out in record numbers and alot of democrates will not be able to bring themselves to vote for her because of who she is and what she represents (no not change, more of the same). I wish people would stop thinking of her as a savior because a saint she is not, a savior she is not. A corporate tool to use the expanded powers of the presidential seat....she is.

[creeksneakers2]

28. Hillary is not a corporate tool

She's a centrist.

[Tom Joad]

30. more like a corporate leader. bless her work with walmart.

[BenDavid]

26. Yes, I agree there is still a lot of days

left till January 14th and the Iowa vote, but if a person were to come in this forum and read all the negatives that are posted against HRC, one would wonder how it is she is leading the field, and lead this field from the start and not gave up that lead to someone in the national polls.....I would think after awhile smart minded folks in here would see the people throughout the country see HRC way different then some in here.....and that is a good thing cause if we listened to folks in here then we would be running Dennis or John as our candidate and that would be three in a row....

Ben David

[bigdarryl]

27. Howard Dean holds a convincing lead over rivals

I remember that one

[Tom Joad]

29. yep, warmongers are popular in america.