Hillary has led every democratic presidential poll for over 4 years

[Herman Munster]

The funny fact that people forget when they say that Howard Dean was leading all the polls in the Fall of 2003 as this is some evidence of Hillary's vulnerability is that Hillary was beating Dean at that time by almost 4 to 1!

4 years later, not much has changed, has it?

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1295.xml?ReleaseID=391

December 10, 2003

Clinton 42%
Dean 14%
Kerry 5%

[EFerrari]

1. Cool. And I still will never vote for her. n/t

[William769]

13. Good for you, there are plenty others that will.

[EFerrari]

16. Perfect. Soon the compaign won't even need Diebold to shave votes.

You're doing it all by yourselves.

Best of luck.

[William769]

18. When you have no argument, this is what you fall back on?

:rofl:

[EFerrari]

22. Yes, I've always been a big fan of shared reality. n/t

[William769]

23. In what parallel universe?

[EFerrari]

26. You choose your own adventure. Enjoy the ride. n/t

[William769]

27. I have. And Hillary's campaign been a fantastic ride!

I love soaring with eagles.

[EFerrari]

32. Mindless nationalism is attractive to some people. n/t

[William769]

35. How do you get nationalism out of this?

[EFerrari]

40. (Never introduce gratuitous eagles into a political debate. )

[William769]

41. Eagles are a majestic bird

And they soar high. But that still doesn't address now that brings nationalism in to this.

[EFerrari]

47. I'm just going to let that post sit there. n/t

[William769]

48. Might as well since you have had noting to offer.

ON EDIT: Still waiting to hear about your candidate. Or is he doing that bad you don't want to talk about it?

[EFerrari]

53. . . .

:)

[NYCGirl]

66. Here's your soaring eagle...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M789kRvbziM


:rofl:

[Maribelle]

85. Looks like the laughs on you ...

video has been removed due to terms of use violation

[NYCGirl]

127. Then use this link or the one posted below by proud2Blib

http://www.ifilm.com/video/2424640

[proud2BlibKansan]

88. Try this instead:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubjgisuitDw&mode=related&search=

[liberalnurse]

141. Thanks.....

You know, he has a nice voice. I actually feel a little bit sorry for him....He didn't realize how evil this *bush administration was when he got involved. He is someone who is a true conservative, and that is okay with me.....He entered the "den of corruption" under good intentions and in full blown denial. He only figured it out when he was high on morphine as Gonzo tried to steal his authority for criminal intent.

[proud2BlibKansan]

142. I don't feel the least bit sorry for him

I have lived my whole life in Kansas City and have watched this man 'perform' for many years now. Ashcroft is a fundie nutcase. Remember he was beaten by a dead man. And he anoints himself with cooking oil every time he takes an oath of office. He's a fruitloop.

[liberalnurse]

143. I know..I know....

What is wrong with me???????????????:scared: :wow: :shrug: I'm always a go for the juggler kind of girl.

I am sipping my 2rd glass of white merlot???????///:crazy:

[Maribelle]

97. NO - - that's your howling eagle. Hillary's eagles get the job done...

Then have a party

[EFerrari]

118. "Hillary's eagles"?

lol

I rest my case.

But, I may be premature. Please continue to sell nationalism to this community. Because that will work so well.

[Maribelle]

123. Nationalism? Admiring the most beautiful bird in this counrty?

Sure, just like Republicans own Jesus.

[EFerrari]

124. . . .

Please say more!

[emilyg]

128. And because I love Hillary I'm going to that party.

[EFerrari]

129. If you're a working person, I hope you take a helmet. n/t

[Maribelle]

136. Great, emilyg.

:hi:

[EFerrari]

140. Said Florida, the home base of voter disenfranchisement.

If you people are going to steal this again, you need to do so much better than this.

Good luck, Emily. I hope you have an emergency plan.

[Semper_FiFi]

160. The more I watch her on her campaign trail

The more I find myself liking her.

[liberalnurse]

20. I will!

I know there is sooo much dynamic leadership within her! I have excellent intuition. It went high on the scale when I met her last May! I went into the The State Democratic Event with friends, all excited about Edwards............then, I saw the power of Hillary. Only she can conquer this army of trolls spawned by *bush!

Here is the link to my Thread referring to when I had the "Awakening". Scroll through for pictures too.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=172x22165

[ihelpu2see]

91. Importantly, most liberal republicans won't and Independents won't..

I have many in my practice and the would rather not vote than vote for Hillary. And the more I see her campaign I'm not sure I can vote for her. Her health care proposal is laughable.

[Semper_FiFi]

161. And your anecdotal evidence is proof? How?

just because you have "many in practice" does not prove anything more than the fact that you may be projecting your own misgivings about her to others. I on the other hand find that most everyone I speak to finds her a powerful force in the Democratic party. (but that proves just about as much as your anecdotal evidence: zero)

[Perry Logan]

151. Tell me whom you favor, so I can be sure not to vote for him.

[dugggy]

163. I am another voter for Hillary in 2008

So that makes it atleast TWO.

[Tom Joad]

2. tragedy, isn't it.

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members..."

thanks hillary.

[superkia]

4. Heres a good show of who she supports for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YvsrT8tz6U

[JNelson6563]

6. wow.

Just wow.

[leftchick]

9. "REAL AMERICANS"!!!!

aka REAL CORPORATIONS!

fuck her!

[William769]

14. The other thread wasn't good enough for you?

[superkia]

30. Helping as many people see the truth is what Im about.

We have what I believe to be one of the most important elections in my lifetime approaching and for my children's future, the truth must be told. As you see by the comments by a few that watched it, they had not seen it. The truth shall set us free.

[antigop]

21. but, but, but... I thought she wasn't swayed by lobbyists....n/t

[Semper_FiFi]

162. Kerry said just about the same things...(thanks Kerry)

So are we to assume that you did not support Kerry in 2004?

[leftchick]

3. nobody ever polled me

because I would cut off my right breast before voting for her!

[polichick]

5. Just so you don't give up the left one! ;) nt

[leftchick]

8. actually

it would probably be my left as I am right handed. Duh!

:crazy:

[BeyondGeography]

10. I know you hate the right and all, but...

[durrrty libby]

36. "I would cut off my right breast before voting for her!"

What a disgraceful, shameful, callous thing to say

Thousands of women lose their breasts to cancer every year

How dare you mock them

[leftchick]

45. I am not mocking anyone

It is a figure of speech! And my grandmother had both of her breasts removed as well as several of my friends. :eyes:

chill out!

[durrrty libby]

55. No I won't "Chill Out" This is despicable...beyond words

[leftchick]

57. oh please

drama much? By your logic had I said "my left hand" I would be mocking all persons with arm amputees. ;eyes:

[JNelson6563]

133. Plagues, famine, war and pestilence

in the world and this is outrage worthy? :rofl:

My gawd but I think we've got a winner for most ridiculous outrage of the day.

Julie--rolling my eyes as hard as I can

[durrrty libby]

138. Stunningly vile

[JNelson6563]

153. I just killed a spider

break out the sack-cloth and ashes! Oy.

Julie

[dionysus]

144. that's the same as me saying i'd cut off my left nut....

does that mean i'm mocking testiclar cancer victims? lol

your faux outrage of the day brought to you by.....

[durrrty libby]

146. "that's the same as me saying i'd cut off my left nut."

I am always disappointed when a woman sinks to the lowest common denominator,

as men so often do

I expect better of us

[dionysus]

149. better wipe the faux outrage off your mouth...

it's dripping onto your shirt.

[durrrty libby]

150. typical and proof of lowest common denominator

[emilyg]

130. I am one of those women who lost my right breast to cancer.

[durrrty libby]

137. "I am one of those women who lost my right breast to cancer."

I'm so sorry.:hug: I'm an R.N. and have cared for many women

who have been through that hell, including my sweet aunt, who died from it.




I restrain my other thoughts :wow: :scared:

[Maribelle]

135. Why wait until voting time?

This little pomp of yours leaves me curious.

[Semper_FiFi]

164. Maribelle...

touche!

:toast:

[AzDar]

7. Sorry, I STILL will not cast a vote for her. I'm beginning to believe

that 'Clintons' are the designated clean-up crew for the Bushes. :puke:

[Tom Joad]

11. Is Chelsea off the table for you also? Who else can defeat Jenna?

[patrice]

12. Which tells us nothing about where it would have ended up if

the DLC hadn't sabotaged Dean.

[William769]

15. The more desperation that I see from on some on DU.

The more convinced I am she will be our nominee.

[EFerrari]

17. It's not desperation, it's revulsion.

She may well be the nominee and you can kiss an apportionate segment of voting citizens good-bye.

Good luck with that.

[William769]

19. And thats supose to scare me?

Good luck with that.

[EFerrari]

24. Why on Earth should I be concerned about you being scared?

Am I on nanny duty this weekend and no one told me?

[William769]

25. So then we go back to deperation.

How's your candidate doing?

[EFerrari]

28. Let's get this really clear.

Hillary Clinton is not a progressive.

She is not widely popular except in the wholly owned media and among her paid shills.

We all know that.

If you choose to make yourself ridiculous by claiming she is popular or progressive, well, everyone needs a hobby.

And I am not desperate. But certainly my children will be if I don't continue to fight for progressive values.

Is that completely clear to you? (Rhetorical.)

[William769]

29. Lets get this clear.

Wheres your proof she in not "widely popular"? Her reacord is very progressive.



Is that completely clear to you?

P.S. I would still like to know how your candidate is doing.

[EFerrari]

31. It's not a go, William. We've seen her coming

and found it ugly.

Tell you what, why don't you run down her campaign contributors for us, enlighten us, I'm sure we'd all like to be on the same side.

[William769]

33. So how is your candidate doing?

Maybe if you spent a little time trying to build him up instead of tearing someone else down, he just might get somewhere.

[EFerrari]

37. I have no interest in your shiny things. n/t

[William769]

39. So you have no interest in your candiate?

Very revealing.

[EFerrari]

42. No, I'm not falling for your attempts at changing the subject.

You know, I'd LOVE to be able to back HRC. My lord, to be able to back a women would be so great.

And there's no way in hell I'll back this one.

[William769]

43. Still no word on your candidate.

[EFerrari]

49. Not a go, William. n/t

[William769]

60. So sorry that you are that ashamed of him.

[EFerrari]

62. One more in a series of non sequitars. n/t

[William769]

63. Is he one of the 1 percenters?

[EFerrari]

64. Another red herring. That's just sad. n/t

[William769]

67. How is it a red herring?

All you have to do is tell us how's he doing? Your reluctance to do so can only mean one thing.

[EFerrari]

69. Not biting, William.

[William769]

70. As I said someone who is ashamed of their candidate has no other option but to attack another.

If I were ashamed of my candidate I wouldn't even bother posting.

[EFerrari]

72. And, still not biting. n/t

[William769]

74. Neither is your candidate with the electorate.

:rofl:

[EFerrari]

76. Please continue to make these statements that are unfounded in fact.

It's what we'd expect from that campaign and I just LOVE it.

lol

[William769]

77. I have given you ample opprotunity to prove me wrong and you refuse to.

Since you refuse to prove me wrong, I can only say that I am correct.

[EFerrari]

80. Okay. And I'm very comfortable with allowing the DU community

to assess this exchange for themselves. :hi:

[William769]

81. So am I.

[Semper_FiFi]

165. Is a "sequitar" the same thing as a "sequitur"?

:shrug:

[durrrty libby]

58. Nah, there are some negative nasty ninnies. I don't know why

you bother. They disgust me, but my hat is off to you. Hope all is well :loveya:

[William769]

65. I hate sparing with losers, but then again, they are not going to spew there venom when I am around

[EFerrari]

68. Unfortunately, you have been unable to answer my questions.

Please hang on to your drawers because all of DU is witnessing your failure.

lol

[William769]

71. And you have been unable to answer the most basic question.

How is your candidate doing?

[EFerrari]

73. Look! Over THERE!

[William769]

75. Where?

I would love to look where your candidate is, but you are unwilling to show where he is.

[EFerrari]

78. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, we were discussing Clinton.

Oh, give it up. DU knows how sold out she is. If you don't, you heard it here first.

[William769]

79. So your candidate is not even getting 1%?

[EFerrari]

82. That's just sad. n/t

[William769]

83. Yes it is sad for your candidate and his supporters.

[EFerrari]

84. And, still not going off topic.

I'm a very patient person, you should know that, up front.

[William769]

92. So am I.

And the topic is Hillary in the polls, comparing your candidate should not be a problem unless he is being trampled on.

[EFerrari]

96. Earth to William. n/t

[William769]

99. Yes?

This topic is not about Hillary's polling? ANd how your candiate does not even rank?

[Semper_FiFi]

166. You speak for EVERYONE here at DU?

Really? You don't speak for me.

[EFerrari]

34. And where is your response?

--- crickets ---

[William769]

38. Yep you are chirping loudly.

[Tellurian]

44. When the patients start running the asylum..

It time to relegate them to the ignore button. The vile speak is the initial tipoff indicating the depth of their sickness.

How are you feeling William?

[William769]

46. Today, pretty good.

I have my ups and my downs.

Thanks for asking. :hi:

[EFerrari]

52. So now you pathologize people who disagree with you.

How Bushlike. How predictable. lol

[Tellurian]

59. get lost!

[EFerrari]

61. Yes, you would like that, wouldn't you?

lol

[liberalnurse]

87. Excuse me.....

You appear to be having a bad day....It shows in you posting as it is so out of character for you. You always have an aura of light about you.....it's not shining today. Do you need a hug? (((hug)))

:hug: :shrug: :scared:

[EFerrari]

90. Truth is hard. n/t

[William769]

93. As you said earlier letting people judge this exchange.

Not looking to well for you is it?

[EFerrari]

95. It's interesting all by itself that you have to do this.

lol

[William769]

98. It's very telling that you have not had a leg to stand on in this thread.

[EFerrari]

101. Bingo! That's exactly what the nutwing does when they can't defend

their position.

Thanks for the illustation.

[William769]

105. I have defended Hilary's polling very well

You on the other hand are even ashamed to mention your candidate.

[EFerrari]

106. Right.

:rofl:

[William769]

108. I am glad to see you are still able to laugh in defeat

Good for you.

[EFerrari]

110. I'm not surprised that you keep trying to reframe this.

But it won't work. Head's up.

[William769]

112. The only reframing has been done by you.

And not very good I might add.

[EFerrari]

115. So sorry, William.

lol

[William769]

116. I know you are, and you have my pity.

[EFerrari]

119. That's "pity". n/t

[JNelson6563]

134. But you started the name calling

My dad told me years ago "When you start namecalling in a dicussion you justifiably lose your credibility."

Calling those who disagree with you "losers" doesn't reflect well on you, FYI. I hope the Admins start giving the Mods orders to delete this regular flow of name calling and the like. It's getting out of hand and it seems to be just a handful of regular participants who are unable to keep it civil.

Julie

[liberalnurse]

132. Take a few deep breaths now William......

SF is a good soul.....we are all passionate about changing the country back to a nation of honor....That includes the BOTH OF YOU.

This too shall pass and we will all soon be on the same team. We all learn, assimilate the political information differently and in our own time.....Like in my earlier post, it was not until I met Hillary at the May Event that I realized she was the only one. I had met her before during a Sherrod Brown Fundraiser in August 06....and scoffed at the possibility.....So see, give everyone their space and lets just focus on winning.O8) :hi: :loveya: :pals: :grouphug:

[Forkboy]

139. I think she's doing fine, despite the usual attempts to distract from Hillary supporters.

Now it's 1 to 1 going into the final stanza! :silly:

[dionysus]

147. ah, ppl who don't love hillary have a "sickness"...

how can you get any more trollish with those RW "debate tactics"?

[EFerrari]

51. Yes. I will always speak up in the face of bs. You bet. n/t

[Bitwit1234]

50. I thought Edwards lead in the first polls. I think he was more

popular than Kerry

[The River]

54. Idealist & Naive

are the best words I can can think of to describe most Hillary sycophants.
Some, obnoxiously so.

[EFerrari]

56. Paid. Another term that comes to mind. n/t

[saltpoint]

86. She's leading for now.

But that could change.

[juajen]

100. Of course, it could.

N/T

[Maribelle]

89. She's simply the best! Then and now.

I clearly remember how the right wing hate machine was ratcheting up against her in 2003, shaking in their jack boots that she was going to run.

I don't believe there is any stopping her today.

[EFerrari]

94. Right. The "best" voted for a fake war, Thanks, Hil!

She's consistently blamed Iraq for OUR aggression and is now calling out Iran when the IAEA has already told us Iran has no nuke program.

Courageous lady. :sarcasm:

[Maribelle]

102. Tell the hundreds of thousands killed in Iraq that the war was fake.

Hillary voted for Bush to use the military to oust Saddam. She did not vote for the pathetic way Bush went about it.

[EFerrari]

104. Oh, for christsakes. You mean, Hillary voted for a GOOD war?

[Maribelle]

109. Why on earth do you think wars are either fake or good?

And why do insist on being wrong on both counts?

[EFerrari]

111. Nice try. n/t

[Maribelle]

117. Can't answer why you think wars are either fake or good?

That wasn't a nice try on my part, sugar. That was giving you a second chance. Try thinking.

[EFerrari]

120. I will do my best.

:rofl:

[proud2BlibKansan]

103. Oh and they are planning to leave her alone this time

:sarcasm:

[Maribelle]

107. Perhaps you do not understand the meaning of "I don't believe there is any stopping her today"

Oh they're going to try, for sure. And try, and try, and try, and try, and try, and try, and try.

[proud2BlibKansan]

113. Nice to hear you are confident they won't succeed.

My number one reason for opposing her candidacy is that the right will crucify her. And the 2004 campaign was ugly enough. This will be much worse.

[Maribelle]

121. I don't think there will be any "Ass-kissing little chickenshits" in Hillary's camp.

They will get back exactly what they deserve, dished on a platter, with all conceivable condiments.

[EFerrari]

122. Starting with her corporate backers, I'm sure!

:rofl:

[Semper_FiFi]

167. Of course the right wing will crucify Al Gore as well ---they hold him in no higher

esteem than they do HRC. Would you oppose his running because of what the right wing will do to him? Am I to believe that you only support candidates who are not going to be opposed by the right wing?

[EFerrari]

114. And maybe you don't understand that she is as transparent as water.

And that the progressive community will not go for this.

[Maribelle]

125. Correct, no hidden agendas for Hillary.

Transparent could be very refeshing to our nation. raped by the forked tongue neocons.

[EFerrari]

126. Whom she embraces at every point. Nope, no sale. n/t

[Mother Of Four]

131. My dislike isn't logical...

but it IS very deep seated.

I like Edwards
I like Obama
I like Kucinich

Do I know who I'm going to vote for? Not yet.
Do I know who I'm NOT going to vote for? Yeap.

I know without a shadow of a doubt, that there are many people who feel the same way I do about Hillary Clinton. With each and every new performance, my dislike grows on an exponential level.

I have disliked her for a very long time. Do I respect her? Yes, she's accomplished a lot. Do I admire her? No, but I do admire her tenacity in the face of adversity.

I'm sure she has many great things about her, but frankly I just can't see them. This person brings a deep visceral response out of me that just won't quit. I'm not going to bash anyone, call any names. I'm not going to resort to saying "Ohhhh mines better than yours!"

It's very simple, I have no feelings but pure unadulterated dislike bordering on disgust when I hear her speak or see her on the television.

I sincerely wish I could point to something and say "This...THIS is why I don't like her" But I can't, for that...supporters of Mrs Clinton, I genuinely apologize and do have all the best well wishes and support for your convictions. Just please understand, that if I feel this way others do too and nothing you do or say will change that sadly enough.

[Perry Logan]

152. You've internalized fifteen years of incontinent slander against her. That's all.

And yet--like most Hillary haters--you seem oddly pleased with yourself.

[Mother Of Four]

155. Let me see if I can clear this up for you.

Since you can't seem to read what is in plain english..let me dumb it down for you as you got that I was "oddly pleased with" myself.

I apologized to HRC supporters for my LACK of reason in my dislike.

Definition of apology: Meaning #1 applying.

a·pol·o·gy /əˈpɒlədʒi/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun, plural -gies.

1. a written or spoken expression of one's regret, remorse, or sorrow for having insulted, failed, injured, or wronged another: He demanded an apology from me for calling him a crook.


As a matter of fact, you can RE read my post...perhaps this time you can pull out of there that I do respect the things she's accomplished, and I do admire her tenacity.

However on a deep seated personal level, I DO NOT LIKE HER.

Now, if I had "internalized fifteen years of incontinent slander against her" wouldn't I be able to point at that same slander and state "These are reasons 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 I don't like her." ?

Yeap.

Now for the dumbing down to you.

She aint in no ways tired...I's jus simply dislike her fakery (refrence her most insulting and foolish attempt at approaching southerners)

Glad to have cleared that up for you. Pleased with myself? Nope. Pleased that we have other GOOD people to vote for besides HRC? Yeap.

[Maribelle]

156. Perhaps you need to clear up that "deep seated personal" thing you have going on.

It would truly scare me if I have anything "deep seated" controlling my actions that I could not articulate to myself.

Not that there aren't people that I dislike - - but I know why.

[Mother Of Four]

157. Have you never met or seen someone....

That strikes you as 'Wrong'?

I tell you what. I'm not above going over my own flaws, and you do have a point in being able to articulate. I don't like the fact that I can't point out why. So I'll work on figuring that out. Who knows, maybe it'll change my veiws...maybe it won't. But at least I'll be able to be clearer about it.

In the past I've never really dissected my feelings on this particular person, because she DOES have such a deep effect on me.

I'll take the time to do that tonight. A good cup of coffee, a notebook and a pen.

[eridani]

159. The best shill for corporations ever

Let's keep killing 18,000 a year by denying them health care to fatten the profits of insurance companies.

[karynnj]

145. There were January/February 2004 polls where Kerry beat her

Kerry got no positive coverage until the January Rassman Reunion, which had a major impact on how people viewed him. Then he had coverage after winning Iowa.

[slick8790]

148. What does this mean to me?

To me, it shows that most of these polls were mindless name recognition, and most still are at this point.

[Gregorian]

154. Polls and Fox news.

Need I say more?

Have you seen the post here about how they don't even include Kucinich in the polling questions?

[retread]

158. I was previously going back and forth between Edwards, Obama, and Kucinich. In

fact I have given small amounts to all three campaigns, but this post has made me favor Senator Clinton. No matter, Kucinich has the best platform and either of the other two could win the Presidency. No matter, I think her nomination will be a disaster for Democrats. She has led in polls so I must support her.