Manifestation of why Hillary is ahead...

[SaveElmer]

Both Evan Bayh, DLC member, centrist member of the Democratic Party from a Red State,...and

Jim McGovern, left leaning member of the Progressive caucus and well known anti-war Congressman from a Blue State...

Are endorsing her based upon their faith in her ability to straighten out the mess in Iraq....

Polling shows the same phenomena party-wide...

[PresidentObama]

1. Add that to General Clark's endorsement, and well done Hillary.

Bravo Madam Senator!

[saracat]

2. Not in my district .We took a straw poll and.Edwards was the clear favorite

among our Democrats! Edwards also won the straw poll in Texas and So.California but I suppose those Dems don't count!

[JackORoses]

3. Shillary has friends in high places

Corporate MSM pushes her into the frontrunner's spotlight,
whether deserving or not

[reggie the dog]

4. why run a centrist?

From what I understand the president's approval is in the shitter as is the image of the Republican party. This is not the time to run a centrist. This is the time to run a leftist like Kucinich. He is, was, has been, anti patriot act and anti-war. Why run with the center when a true progressive leftist could easily win against the legacy of W and the Republicans? Here in France the Socialists just tried a similar thing when they ran Ms. Royal. She was a centrist and most people that "voted" for her just voted Royal by default to vote against Sarkozy. She came off as lacking conviction by trying to sit on the fence, Sarkozy ran away with the election by picking a side (sadly the right) and going for it all. When will the left do that again? Are we to forever live in the shadow of the centrists Blair and Bill Clinton?

[Fovea]

10. Further. The big potential shift is not from center-right candidates

but from candidates who can energize the voter who takes nader's line to heart about no difference. They either sit it out, or protest vote, and they are a huge block, taken together. They haven't voted because no one believes what they believe.

Kucinich is different. And his message is the only policy that isn't about the rich getter fatter. He is spot on in half a dozen different ways.

In particular, he has kept faith with us on single payer universal care. Even those who now oppose the war can't seem to be as generous to their voters as they are to themselves, health care wise.

I hope that America wakes up from its shock and awed stupor in time. He is the candidate for the un-hypnotized.

[Armstead]

11. Bingo

You hit it on the head

[Kolesar]

5. put the poll up then...eom

[illinoisprogressive]

6. republicans are counting on us dems to do the stupid thing and nominate Hillary

[SaveElmer]

7. republicans are counting us dems to do the stupid thing and nominate Obama

[reggie the dog]

12. risk management

Clinton risks alienating the peace movement because she WAS pro Iraq war. Also folks that do not like the patriot act will find it hard to vote for her. Obama can pick up these voters without alienating the center. Obama is not white so it is a risk to run him in a country where racism is still strong, Clinton is a woman so it is a risk to run her in a country where sexism is still strong. Changes of heart are great and I am glad that Senator Clinton is not against the war in Iraq but I would much rather vote for someone who was NEVER pro Iraq war. My senator from Illinois is ok, so are his wishes to help those needing help based on the need for help and not based on their race (his idea of a post racial USA) is also great. Economically I prefer Kucinich. I will likely do like last time, vote against the Republicans by voting Democrat without supporting the centrist ideals of the candidate. For once I would like to force the centrists to choose between voting for a leftist progressive Democrat, a Republican, or a 3rd party candidate with no possibility of winning.

[dugggy]

21. LOL

[William769]

8. My guess is people either lover her or hate her.

Seems more people lover her.

[Sparkly]

9. I, for one, neither love nor hate her, fwiw. nt

[emilyg]

16. I love her.

[slick8790]

13. Hedging their bets....n/t

[Honeycombe8]

14. I wasn't a Hillary backer, but it's beginning to look decided, isn't it?

The endorsements are beginning to look impressive. I prefer Obama, for his vision, his sincerity, his genuineness...

I guess it's too much for the public to have Clinton/Obama ticket? No white male on the ticket might be too much for the public to handle?

[reggie the dog]

15. who

who is it that gets to decide? Who in the hell decided that it was "unpresidential" to yell at a rally but "presidential" to say that your favourite philosopher was Jesus? and presidential to lie your way into a war?

[Honeycombe8]

17. The American public. That's who is answering the polls, and that's who voted for *. n/t

[reggie the dog]

23. if the public decides

Why not let the primary elections happen in all 50 states before choosing a candidate? At least Royal was nominated over the other candidates by popular vote of all card carrying Socialists.

[reggie the dog]

24. also

the public decides to a point. But if the pollsters are asking everyone who they like and a centrist comes up popular out of a list of Democrats many of the public saying they support the centrist more than the others will actually vote on the right. It all depends on how the polls are conducted, are only leftists polled? Are only democrats polled??

Also was it the media (in general it has its own interests) that decided that it was "unpresedential" to scream yeah at a political rally? How much influece does the media have on public opinion? How much infulence does opinion have on the media?

[Honeycombe8]

25. Are you talking about Dean? (the "yeah" factor?)

In any case, all the things you mentioned affect all of the candidates. There's a methodology followed by each of the services who conducts polls. There are certain accepted methodologies, I think, for conducting political polls. I suppose you could look up on their websites for information about their methods, or contact them and they'll tell you.

If you're talking about Dean regarding the "yeah" factor...I'm not sure what that has to do with a poll showing Hillary Clinton ahead of the other candidates. But if you're suggesting that the media told the public that Dean's "yeah" was stupid...they didn't need anyone to tell them that. It was obvious. Besides, it wasn't just one "yeah" that looked silly....it was the expression on his face, the repeated yellings of "yeah," and the not so slick verbiage that went along with it. It was funny. Just like when a comedian tells a joke; the audience doesn't need someone to tell them it's funny or why it's funny. You can look at the comedian and listen to him, and see and hear that it's funny. And you laugh. Everyone laughed. It was funny. And I guess that's not good for a presidential candidate. But that is ancient news in the political world. All the current candidates will no doubt be committing their own flubbing soon, if they haven't already.

[zulchzulu]

18. "faith in her ability to straighten out the mess in Iraq"...

Wow! So someone who helped bring on the disaster has the "ability to straighten out the mess in Iraq"...

Mess... you got that right.

[Tellurian]

19. Anyone keeping a list of Obama's endorsements?

The only one I know of is Oprah.

[William769]

20. Yes.

But that scrap of paper I had them listed on was so small, I lost it.

[Tellurian]

22. Sorry, it was me, I threw your gum wrapper away...

Think it's hard copied somewhere else? :hi: