How can Edwards supporters be for a candidate that pretends his Senate career never happened?

[rinsd]

How can they support Edwards health care plan when Hillary has the same exact plan but her name is Hillary?

I mean gosh, how can any one support any candidate without being grilled for it?

Or perhaps we can make it about the candidates and not the supporters.

I know, I know...its just too crazy to happen.

[depakid]

1. I guess the same way that Hilary supporters can ignore the Clinton Administration's policies

Which in all too many cases, pandered to the far right and furthered a decidedly corporatist agenda.

[Cameron27]

2. And Senator Edwards didn't?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=3005109&mesg_id=3005367

[wyldwolf]

3. ...so we can give Hillary credit for Clinton successes, too?

[depakid]

5. Why not? The record is what it is.

If people want media reform, for example- they're not going to get it from Hilary.

On the other hand, with the Clintons back in the White house, at least Americans won't be embarrassed whenever she travels overseas.

[wyldwolf]

8. great! Thanks!

[question everything]

9. And Gore supporters

who pretend that he was not part of all the funding scandals, NAFTA and the centrist policies

[depakid]

11. There's a major difference in that respect

Gore's views- both on the substantive issues and the process have evolved remarkably. Hillary's on the other hand have not- she's every bit the panderer and Rockefeller Republican that Bill was.

Stuck in the 20th Century.

[Cameron27]

13. Her voting record doesn't reflect that

so what are you using to base that assertion on?

[depakid]

14. It sure does

And so do her actions and public statements!

Do you really think that her policies will be significantly different than her husbands were?

The saying used to go (before he got creamed for it) "two for the price of one."

[Cameron27]

18. Show me her conservative leaning

votes. She has a very liberal voting record. The Clinton's did pretty well IMO, but if you believe that Edwards can change, why is it hard for you to believe that Hillary can too?

[depakid]

23. I didn't mention Edwards

Frankly, I'm not sure where he really stands- though I appreciate many of the policy positions he puts forth.

Let me pose a question- how many confirmation and/or filibuster battles has Hillary been at the forefront of? It's not enough to simply vote against every egregious proposal or nominee that comes before the Senate.

Anyone can find the significant votes for themselves right here:

http://votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=55463

Regrading the war votes- I admit to holding her to a higher standard there, because after 8 years in the White House, she above any of the other members of the Senate knew exactly what was going on. Now of course, she's backpedaling really fast- though I can't imagine how anyone who saw the MTP appearance on youtube could be impressed with that.

Of course, the question people should be asking is how she'd handle the administrative agencies. That was by far the biggest failure of the last administration- embarrassingly so, considering that it was the ONE power the Clintons had to advance traditional Democratic values without worrying about Republicans in Congress.

Yet, what did we get? Financial, energy, media and medical fiasco's. To name just a few. The fact that Bush is abominably worse, doesn't mean people should forget that.

[madmunchie]

4. Because they also pretend his Senate career never happened.

[saracat]

6. And isn't this soo clever of you? A bit transparent.

[rinsd]

10. Glad you got the message.

[polichick]

7. Because Edwards seems to get that we need...

SIGNIFICANT CHANGE in this country now.

[AtomicKitten]

12. All the Dem candidates are touting change.

[polichick]

15. The Edwards camp is using that term "significant change" to...

...try to differentiate him.

It does seem to me that Edwards would make more policy changes than either Clinton or Obama would ~ while their "change" seems to be more about style.

[1932]

37. but Edwards is the only one telling people what he will change and how he'll do it.

[sandnsea]

16. And you say you're not a basher

and what was it, try to be encouraging and promote unity for the 2008 candidate.

Oh brother. :eyes:

[rinsd]

17. The Clenis made me do it.

:evilgrin:

[sandnsea]

20. Here

Go piss on this thread. Maybe it will draw attention to what might be the best health plan any of them have.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3548106&mesg_id=3548106

[rinsd]

21. Actually I think Kucinich's plan is the best.

[sandnsea]

22. Plan that can pass

I mean. I think Dodd's plan has the best chance of passing and would provide real health coverage to everybody on a sliding scale.

[rinsd]

25. How is Dodd planning on financing beyond the eventual cost savings?

[sandnsea]

30. click the link

comment there. Maybe we can get an honest analysis outside primary bickering.

I think he says Iraq savings could be applied to the plan, not 100% that I'm remembering that right.

[bpeale]

19. i guess the same way hillary supporters can pretend she didn't

vote for the war & can overlook her corporate stance. i could never overlook her crap no matter how much she says she wants to end the war. fact is, she is voting to fund it as is obama.

[mark414]

24. in the interest of fairness, I declare they both suck

and further declare that NOBODY who voted to authorize this fucking war is competent enough to be president.

i was 16 years old and in high school when the war drums were pounding and i knew that we were being fed a bunch of lies...an hour on google could've easily led anyone to the same conclusion


"Saddam Hussein's regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal."
- John Edwards, October 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security."
- Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002

[GreenArrow]

29. they both suck

You'll get no argument from me, though Edwards particular brand of snake oil is a little more treacly and viscous.

[PurityOfEssence]

26. Yep, he plagiarized her plan 7 months before she revealed it, the rat

His villainy knows no bounds.

[Inspired]

35. LOL!!!!

[superkia]

27. Vote for Dennis Kucinich and then there are no negatives to throw around.

[robinlynne]

28. He aint God, but he is the best of the "big 3". (kucinich is the best of all.)

[jacjr]

31. He is the only candidate to loose a national election

[karynnj]

38. He's the only one who has ever been on the ballot at the national level

I'm not for Edwards, but this is not rational.

[jacjr]

39. and he lost.....

Doing the same thing over again after loosing is not rational.

[jsamuel]

32. response

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/9/24/115926/398

[surfermaw]

33. My goodness funny, something like the hair cut , and size of a house

You Edwards haters are funny, what is really funny is if you think about this, when you can find any thing other than his hair, his house or whether or not he was in the Senate, he must be really clean you people are funny.

[rinsd]

34. This would make sense if I said anythign about his haircut or house.

But since I didn't, I am quite confused.

[Catchawave]

36. *Donate to John Edwards* on the DU ActBlue !

Only need 18 donations (now at 82) to hit the magic 100 DU supporters by Sept 30 !

http://www.actblue.com/page/du-presidential :hi:

Thanks!

Sorry rinsd, what was the question again?