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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 05:11 PM
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I've made up my mind who I am voting for its Dennis Kucinich
Edited on Tue Sep-25-07 05:14 PM by bigdarryl
He's the only one who is a true Progressive and is against funding the war and wants troops out NOW!. I'm sorry but Hillary and Obama have voted time and time again to fund this damn war but yet tells voters there for ending it.They both talk like damn Republicans at times and both are for keeping some troops in Iraq. And to top that off they have been both rumored to be talking to Bush about Iraq. If you are a true progressive you will support Dennis to get the nomination.I also am sick of the media telling me who I should be voting for because of some dumb ass polls.
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 05:12 PM
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1. preach it brotha k& happily R
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 05:17 PM
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2. I'm voting for him beacuase I like his position on all the big issues
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 11:12 AM
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77. I couldn't tell you one issue I disagree with him on
Very blessed to have someone in the House and running for president that is this spot on.
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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 05:17 PM
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3. An avalanche can start from the movement of pebbles.
:bounce:
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 05:18 PM
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4. right on
Kucinich is in touch with the ghettos, trailer parks, and abandonded downtowns across the USA. The message just needs to get out before the primaries are done. If the Democrats wanted to the could run with him and win, the Republicans are a wounded party and they will fall if properly and firmly confronted in 2008. KUCINICH would deliver this blow to not only W. but the entire Republican party and their neo conservative ideals. The opinion of the wolrd would eventually come to respect the USA again, the government would once again actively intervene to try to rid the USA of disease, poverty, and war (yes I stole that from JFK). If only the party would go for the KO.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 03:01 PM
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42. The Party, as in those that rule it, not its members, will never support him
for exactly the reasons you stated. The are the representatives of the people that own and rule this country, not The People.

The Party exists to maintain the illusion of choice while the corporate fiefdoms consolidate and solidify.

Will South America turn out to be the last bastion of liberty?



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Dukkha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 05:20 PM
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5. Right there with you!
the Human Rights Campaign meeting cinched it for me. Kucinich was the only one who fully supported equal rights for gay marriage while the others did their usual spins and half-assed commitments. The time is now for strong leadership and to vote with your moral conscience.
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partylessinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 05:24 PM
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6. You're doing the right thing! We the people could create an avalanche
and sweep him right into office. Take back America now!

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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 05:24 PM
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7. I have to agree.
Dk is really the only Dem who would get my vote.

DR
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5X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 05:30 PM
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8. Heres number 5. n/t
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 05:30 PM
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9. HR 333.
I still can't believe how quiet it has been.

But yes, Kucinich is the one. Good for you! We are not going to regret our vote. That is for sure.
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 05:35 PM
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10. I voted for DK in '04
and I will vote for him again in '08!!

:dem: :kick:
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 08:42 AM
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23. and you'll have the same result as '04
DK in '12!!
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 03:35 PM
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50. Indeed!
I'll vote for him for a 2nd Term too!!!
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superkia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 05:47 PM
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11. Clinton changed her stance on the war in Iraq, sounding more like Bush now.
I think she will start to lose some ground once her new stance on the war gets out. I think most Americans want out of this war and for her to now sound more like Bush on Iraq, its not good. I think the media has given her the nomination, she feels she has it and is now spinning her way to her actual position on Iraq.
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datadiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 06:22 PM
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12. I've had my mind made up for some time now
The only person who would get my vote ahead of Dennis is Gore. Wouldn't that be a ticket? Dennis agrees with my views 100%. I will vote for the Dem candidate in the general election, but the primary belongs to Dennis. I hope the movement snowballs.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 06:24 PM
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13. I'm sorry that you are that simple minded. eom.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 06:35 PM
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14. Simple minded?
Gore is not running. And the other two you push don't want to stop Funding the war and are basically for more of the same for health care. Find a mirror.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 06:50 PM
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15. K&R

”Unlike other candidates, I am not funded by those corporate interests.
I owe them no loyalty, and they have no influence over me or my policies.”
---Dennis Kucinich

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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 06:57 PM
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16. I'm with you!
It's Dennis Kucinich for both The Primary and (write-in) for The General Election.

YES! It's Dennis Kucinich all the way!

Not again will I feel guilty for voting for a corporatist DLCer. ;)

What do we truly have to lose anyway?

The "DLC centrists" who run our party despise us from the onset - we will gain NADA from their win - Corporations Rule regardless of whether there's a Republican or DLCer in the White House.. :shrug:
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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 07:06 PM
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17. Count me in, too
Last time around, I voted for Dean in an effort to stop Kerry, when who I really wanted was Dennis. This time around, the top tier is all so bad that I'm going to vote for the man who most deserves it, and political calculus be damned.

If enough of us give him a boost, he could become a force to be reckoned with in whatever administration eventually takes power, and that alone is at least as tantalizing a possibility as victory. God bless him. The odds are very long against him, but he's a good man, and for many of us he is the ONLY voice that represents us in this primary.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 07:15 PM
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18. I'm not with you but it's not because I don't like Kucinich.
Having done work for his 2004 campaign, I feel I am entitled to weigh in here. I simply do not believe he can win the nomination and can muster zero hope of that ever happening.

If Gore doesn't jump in which will make all this moot IMO, I'm throwing the dice on Obama. Edwards and Hillary threw in with this administration to promote and support the invasion of Iraq. That's a fact and not something I intend to reward.

The problem is the split not-Hillary pool and I'm afraid she will win by default, and that really sucks.
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 10:19 PM
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19. You GO! big D !
vote your conscience, and sleep well at nite.

:kick: & R !
dp
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southerncrone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:05 AM
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20. Hear! Hear! or is it "Here! Here!"?
Either way, I'm with you on this! I voted for DK in 2004 & have been behind him ever since. He is the only political candidate I have ever sent $ to support their campaign. I was proud to do it. Will be sending more b/4 the primary. Advise all of you to do the same, even if it's just $5.

DK is the only candidate that supports the Progressive movement & the average working American.
The fact that the MSM keeps trying to block him out, means he's the best candidate for US, the middle-class taxpayer.

Dennis Rules! :yourock: or as the kids say:

Kucinich is Krushin'!!!!
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 09:54 AM
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33. Hear! Hear! or is it "Here! Here!"?
Funny. I've always wondered about that too & never bothered to look it up until now. :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hear_hear

snip...

Hear hear is an expression that originated as hear ye, or hear him, usually repeated. This imperative was used to call attention to a speaker's words, and naturally developed the sense of a broad expression of favour.
===

DK is the only candidate I will send money to this election. I will work for my local dems, canvas neighborhoods, but I have so little discretionary income compared to '04 that only DK will get my money.

Here's another thing -- when people compare him to an elf -- and, he is sort of elf like -- why is that a bad thing? Most of us like elves. We loved Legolas & how many of us buy Keebler over Nabisco because of those cute little elves? I know I do. American's have become very shallow about our leaders -- we care more about how they look than their substance. Not all Americans, of course, but the "I'd rather have a beer with bush than Kerry" -- I mean really -- why would anyone vote on that premise? I just don't get it.

Remember in the movie "The American President" the Martin Sheen character says to the Michael Douglas character, regarding Roosevelt, "You've said it yourself a million times. If there had been a TV in every living room sixty years ago, this country does not elect a man in a wheelchair."

We aren't so far from the cave.
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RushIsRot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 12:44 AM
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21. Kucinich has my vote as long as his name appears on a ballot!
He is not owned by those rotten corporations. I trust him to work for the people and not for his own self-interest. I would even trust Dennis to not abuse all the powers that Bush* has grabbed and will pass along -- IF Bush* does pass them along. I would advise DK though to be very careful about flying in smallish airplanes. I'd hate to see him Wellstoned.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 03:29 PM
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45. You're still allowed to write him in if it's not (n/t)
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RushIsRot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 09:52 PM
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53. Not sure how that might be done when using a touch-screen
vote-stealer.
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southerncrone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:11 PM
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55. I think you would be given a paper ballot if you have a write-in candidate.
I'm not sure, but I believe in TN that is still the procedure. May be in other states, too.
If there is a poll worker here, would you enlighten us on this, please?
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RushIsRot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 10:42 AM
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71. Then it seems to me that if we wanted a fair and honest election
that EVERYONE should ask for a paper ballot so they could write in the name of their chosen candidate.
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southerncrone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 08:52 PM
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87. I've thought about that b/4. Can you imagine what a ruckus it would be
at all the polls!?!!! We wouldn't know the results for a while, but look how long it took in 2000, to get the WRONG results. At least this way, there is a paper trail & would be harder to STEAL the election!

Need to ask poll workers or election commissioners to weigh in on this. I think I'll start a thread.
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RushIsRot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 11:33 PM
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90. It would be a lovely ruckus! Honesty is quite attractive when
applied to elections.

Rethuglicans could never abide or survive honesty!
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 05:54 AM
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22. absolutely . . . the only true democrat (small d) in the race . . . n/t
.
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 08:59 AM
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24. Good luck DK voters!
Let us know how that works out for ya!
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 09:01 AM
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25. Back at ya Big D. Good luck with your DLCer.
:P
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 09:02 AM
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26. Thanks!!
Looking foward to a great victory!
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 09:11 AM
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27. FYI, I've bookmarked this thread for later.
;)
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 09:16 AM
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28. Are you thinking DK is going to win?
Seriously, I'd like to know.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 09:30 AM
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29. Well, part of me is saddened because the DLC remains arrogant and resentful of liberals
therefore, I bookmark in case of the worst - the political ruling class forces HRC on us and we figuratively get our a**es handed to us in both the Presidential and Congressional races. I will not vote for a DLC candidate because they are, IMO, moderate republicans not democrats.

I also know that the DLC hates liberal values "to the max" - maybe if DLC are handed their walking papers OUT of The Democratic Party and switch to Moderate Republicans, we can then GET BACK to the Working Class VALUES and public works projects that has made America great, i.e., helped us emerge from the 1930s Depression. :shrug:
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 09:37 AM
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30. You didnt understand my question...Ill try one more time
Do you think DK is going to win?
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:42 PM
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39. OK, I hope and pray Dennis Kucinich wins. :-) nt
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 03:07 PM
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86. Ill take that as a no.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 03:30 PM
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47. YES!
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 10:47 AM
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72. If he wins (falling down laughing)
I'll pay for the victory party, please, hold me to it!
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 11:10 AM
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75. What makes you think anyone would bother thinking of you
when Dennis wins?

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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 03:01 PM
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85. "When Dennis wins"
I'll be watching pigs fly - but hey, keep hope alive!
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 03:30 PM
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46. And another long republican administration...
and that's what you'd get with your DLCer...
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ChipperbackDemocrat Donating Member (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 09:47 AM
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31. The Three Bs
Dennis Kucinich....

He has the Beliefs. Belief in America. Belief in Humanity. Belief that we can make a better world. He had the belief in himself. The man grew up in poverty and made something of himself. He gets what this country should be about.

He has the Brains. He had more enough sense to know that Iraq was a bad idea and not only did he believe it He spoke it and acted on it.

He has the Balls. The fat cats held the gun to his head when he was Mayor of Cleveland. "Sell out or else..." He put his butt on the line, paid the price...but he was proven right. Ask yourself...If Hillary Clinton had that same choose, would she stand firm or roll over? How about Obama? or Joe Biden? or John Edwards.
He had the balls to vote against this war...Not just speak out, but his vote behind it. He has the balls to openly say to the Fat Cats, You'll get skinnier when I'm President.

Dennis Kucinich is the type of man who just won't talk about it, he'll be about it.

If you feel you don't have a stake in the game, you need to be voting for Dennis.
If you don't have health care, you need to be voting for Dennis.
If you want your loved one home from Iraq, you need to be voting for Dennis.
If you want a President who respect working people, you need to be voting for Dennis.
If you an America that gives a damn about poor, you need to be voting for Dennis.

But that also why I'm cynical about his prospects. But lets be real, if you want to do something for people...people don't vote for you. I don't get it. Maybe I'm just dumb...but I thought I ran this country??? I thought it was We The People.

Yeah, I'm ranting this morning. What the hell is going on America? One minute I hear, "We want health care reform..." and then I see candidates at some damn K Street wine and cheese getting warm fuzzies from GlaxoSmithKline. Man can't serve two masters.

How can you tell me, "We need welfare reform.." When the biggest welfare program in the nation is the War On Terror. You want cut some welfare...CUT SOME THAT ROCKWELL-FARE! You want to take my auntie's food stamps, but United Defense gets their gubmint cheese????

"We need peace in Iraq...so we can SIOP Iran?" Barack Obama talking about bombing Pakistan. Hillary Clinton wants to get her war on. WAR! WAR! WAR! I already know the Republicans jerk themselves off with the lastest Lockheed Martin Catalogue, but damn DEMOCRATS DOING IT TOO??? Oh by the way....WHY ARE THERE TAX CUTS FOR THE WEALTHY, DURING A TIME OF WAR?????

It's funny...Dennis Kucinich is called a "kook"...Because he wants a Department of Peace??? WHEN THE HELL DID PEACE BECOME KOOKY?? Can somebody answer that for me! WHEN THE HELL DID VIOLENCE BECOME SANE!

Dennis Kucinich's Department of Peace vs. the Project for a New American Century
Ask yourself...Who's the kook?

Single Payer Healthcare for All vs. GlaxoCignaIfYouCanAffordItCare.
Ask yourself...What's kooky?

Standing up for our Constitutional Rights vs. The Patriot Act
Ask yourself...What's kooky?

Think about it.



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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:26 AM
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34. Nice rant. It should be its own thread.
No really...this one is great...post it separately.

Be interesting to see the responses.

DR
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:04 PM
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36. It is
It's been posted as a thread.

(I happen to agree with it btw)
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 05:38 PM
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52. Can you link it?
THX.
(Not much computer time today.)
:)

DR
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:40 PM
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61. right on!!
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JPettus Donating Member (356 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 09:47 AM
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32. I don't see how we can avoid keeping *some* troops in Iraq
Sadly, the entire region is a powder keg.

If we pull everyone out, the Shiites can go about their Sunni genocide. Saudi Arabia has told the Bush Administration that if we pull out and all that to happen, they will intervene on behalf of Iraq's Sunni population.

When that happens, Iran will happily intervene on behalf of the Shiite population, and now we have an equivalent of a Major Middle East War.

I wish we could get everyone out, and I don't buy into the "train the Iraqi's to stand up so we can stand down" crap. That will never work. The Bush Administration has put the US between a rock and a hard place with it's illegal war and incompetent management.

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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 03:32 PM
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48. That's what the U.N. is for
The U.S. military is all about OIL and rape and pillage of the Earth's resources for a tiny minority of the Earth's population...
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JPettus Donating Member (356 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:30 PM
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58. Certainly under this administration
The problem is, the US staged this invasion pretty much against UN accords, against UN wishes and against the wishes of most of our allies. Getting anyone else to come in now and referee and resolve this issue won't be easy, especially if the US will try to hold onto the purse strings of all contracts - and we know that's what Bush-Cheney is about. There is no incentive for anyone to do anything but let Bush stew in his own juices.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:30 PM
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82. Lest we forget
Edited on Thu Sep-27-07 12:32 PM by ProudDad
the bit about protecting "our oil" in the Middle East is called the "Carter Doctrine"...

When it comes to pulling the lever on the war option -- they're both guilty...


There is ONE excellent plan being proposed for extricating from Iraq:

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1. The US announces it will end the occupation, close military bases and withdraw.

2. US announces that it will use existing funds to bring the troops and necessary equipment home.

3. Order a simultaneous return of all US contractors to the United States and turn over all contracting work to the Iraqi government.

4. Convene a regional conference for the purpose of developing a security and stabilization force for Iraq.

5. Prepare an international security and peacekeeping force to move in, replacing US troops who then return home.

6. Develop and fund a process of national reconciliation.

7. Reconstruction and Jobs. Restart the failed reconstruction program in Iraq.

8. Reparations. The US and Great Britain have a high moral obligation to enable a peace process by beginning a program of significant reparations to the people of Iraq for the loss of lives, physical and emotional injuries, and damage to property. There should be special programs to rescue the tens of thousands of Iraqi orphans from lives of destitution. This is essential to enable reconciliation.

9. Political Sovereignty. Put an end to suspicions that the US invasion and occupation was influenced by a desire to gain control of Iraq's oil assets by A) setting aside initiatives to privatize Iraqi oil interests or other national assets, and B) by abandoning efforts to change Iraqi national law to facilitate privatization.

10. Iraq Economy. Set forth a plan to stabilize Iraq's cost for food and energy, on par to what the prices were before the US invasion and occupation.

11. Economic Sovereignty. Work with the world community to restore Iraq's fiscal integrity without structural readjustment measures of the IMF or the World Bank.

12. International Truth and Reconciliation.

http://www.dennis4president.com/go/resources/kucinich-unveils-comprehensive-exit-plan-to-bring-troops-home,-stabilize-iraq/
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:02 PM
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35. Talking to a progressive friend of mine today. She'd never heard of Dennis
I was not surprised. So I've sent her a bunch of links about his stands on the issues, the "who should you vote for" calculator (I know a Dennis fan when I see one whether she knows it or not), and why the media is making sure she and others don't know anything about him.

Any back up would be appreciated.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 03:33 PM
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49. There's a lot here
Edited on Wed Sep-26-07 03:34 PM by ProudDad
http://www.dennis4president.com/home/

----- On Edit: I did do a summary though:

Universal Health Care...

Our health care system is broken, and H.R. 676, the Conyers-Kucinich bill, is the only comprehensive solution to the problem. It is also the system endorsed by more than 14,000 physicians from Physicians for a National Health Program. Nearly 46 million Americans have no health care and over 40 million more have only minimal coverage. In 2005 some 41% of moderate and middle income Americans went without health care for part of the year. Even more shocking is that 53% of those earning less than $20,000 went without insurance for all of 2005. In fact, the National Academy of Science's Institute of Medicine estimates that 18,000 Americans die each year because they have no health insurance.

International Cooperation: US out of Iraq, UN in...

In the America of my dreams, the America I see taking root and flourishing under new administration, other nations will encounter an America that abides by Lincoln's precept: "The only lasting way to eliminate an enemy is to make him your friend." We will accommodate rather than alienate, make friends instead of enemies, and employ carrots far more often than sticks. We need an administration that will drain the swamps of hopelessness, exploitation, and humiliation that cause vulnerable individuals to head down the terrorist road. We need leaders who will be both tough on terror and tough on the causes of terror.

We must work to replace the law of force on the world stage with the force of law. By showing such open disdain for the UN Charter and international law during the past three years, we have become in the eyes of many the primary outlaw on the world stage. If we disregard the law of nations, we're left with the law of the despot, where the only constraint on violence is the power and ruthlessness of those who would employ it. Rest assured, in that world we won't be the only ones to use it.

We must immediately move for the United States to re-engage in the important treaties that the Bush Administration has abandoned. We must affirm and ratify treaties, beginning with:

The Kyoto Treaty on Global Climate Change
The Biodiversity Treaty
The Forest Protection Treaty
The Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty
The Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty
The Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty
The Landmine Ban Treaty
The Biological Weapons Convention
The Chemical Weapons Convention
The International Criminal Court

Our country and all nations must review and modify all treaties that reject national sovereignty in the cause of a global corporate ethic that does not respect human rights, workers' rights, and environmental quality standards. This means reviewing the practices and the practical impact of the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade, the World Trade Organization, the International Monetary Fund, and the World Bank.


Putting America Back to Work IN America...

Our country is facing twin crises: high unemployment and a decrepit infrastructure. At the same time, millions of manufacturing and high-tech jobs are being shipped overseas. I have a plan that will turn our problems around and put Americans back to work in America.

By pulling out of NAFTA, we can return jobs that have been lost, including high-wage jobs in the information technology field. By initiating a WPA-style jobs program that puts Americans back to work rebuilding America, we can create millions of jobs and simultaneously improve our quality of life.

As a nation, we face a predicament of either buy American, or bye-bye America. Unless we cancel the WTO and pull out of NAFTA, corporations will continue to move jobs out of the country and produce goods in developing and third-world nations (with great costs to those countries' workers and environment). In order to buy American, we have to assure that goods are still being produced in America. That's why we must first cancel the WTO and pull out of NAFTA, which have lost us millions of jobs and spurred a soaring trade deficit.

Repeal of the "patriot" act...

It's time for our Party to show some backbone. It's time to stand for the repeal of the PATRIOT Act. As a member of the U.S. House of Representatives, I spoke against it, I voted against it, and I introduced legislation for its repeal. From traveling across America, it's unmistakably clear to me that there is an almost universal rejection of the PATRIOT Act.

Guaranteed Quality Education, Pre-K through College...

The right of every American child to a high-quality free public education is one of America's most treasured principles. We must improve the quality of public education in those schools that are struggling and expand public education to include pre-kindergarten beginning at age 3 for any families that want it, as well as tuition-free college for millions of students.

Full Social Security Benefits at Age 65...

I see a new vision for American seniors. I see a country where all citizens can retire with full benefits at age 65, where social security will never become privatized, and where retirement years won't land in the hands of the stock market. I see an America where equal access and equal rights are obtained by all; where health care is regarded as a human right; and where the people who have lived to see this country grow can continue to grow old with it in peace.

Right to Choose...

Why have a Republican House and Senate never even offered one vote proposing a Constitutional Amendment banning abortion? If the issue were truly important to them as anything but a wedge issue, they would have. The truth is that Republicans have hidden from an honest up or down vote on abortion and will never allow one to take place in the Congress. Instead, they will continue fooling well-intentioned voters who feel strongly about abortion that they "feel their pain," when clearly they do not. Even if the Supreme Court were to do the unlikely and return abortion to the states, it would merely mean that the rich could travel to blue states for abortion, while the poor would have less access to terminating their pregnancies.

The fact is that most Americans, including myself, are uncomfortable with abortions and feel there are too many of them. At the same time, the vast majority of Americans recognize that there are circumstances in which a woman and her doctor should be allowed to make this most difficult decision without government intervention. To return to the days when woman could self-abort without penalty, but to imprison doctors who would help them, seems senseless, especially recognizing that a new abortion law would likely become known as "The Abortions for the Rich-Only Bill."

Privacy and Civil Rights...

The "Patriot Act" is not what American patriots have fought and died for. To allow our Bill of Rights to be nullified without judicial supervision invites tyranny. The Attorney General has been handed unfettered power to wiretap, search, jail, and invade our most sacred right to privacy. The government must not be allowed, without probable cause or warrant, to snoop on our communications, medical records, library records, and student records.

Balance between Workers and Corporations...

Labor has stood almost alone while corporations have cut wages and benefits, slashed working hours, tried to undermine wage and hour provisions, reneged on contracts, and jettisoned retirements through bankruptcy strategies. The current clamor for corporate accountability calls for honesty in stating the numbers, and faithful custody of shareholders money.

There needs to be equal concern for those who created the wealth through their labor, because the attacks on unions are a means of redistributing the wealth upwards. As union membership has declined, the disparity of wealth has increased. Since 1973, union membership has dropped from 24% to 14%. And the share of aggregate income of the poor, the middle class, and the upper middle class has declined. Congress has not passed an increase in the $5.15 minimum wage, even though the inflation-adjusted minimum wage is 21% lower today than in 1979.

People have a right to:

* Have a job.
* Have a safe workplace.
* Get decent wages and benefits.
* Organize and be represented.
* Grieve about working conditions.
* Strike.
* Get fair compensation for injuries on the job.
* Sue if injured by negligent employers.
* Have secure pension and retirement benefits.
* Participate in the political process.

Environmental Renewal and Clean Energy...

The EPA under the Bush Administration has stood for Every Polluter's Ally. The air and the water and the land are viewed by this administration as just another commodity to be used for private profit. We as a nation must turn our efforts towards the great work of restoring our air and our water and our land. We must view our natural resources as the common property of all humanity -- even more, as the commonwealth of all humanity. And so my candidacy arises from a philosophy of interdependence and interconnection, which respects the environment as a precondition for our survival.

I am not tied to any corporate interests that would strip our forests or pollute our air or water. Throughout my career, I have worked for structures of law that protect the environment, and the principles that animate my campaign are principles of sustainability. The principles that animate my life are principles of sustainability.

Restored Rural Comomunities and Family Farms...

Something is wrong when profits of agribusiness corporations skyrocket, but farmers must find off-farm jobs or sell their farms to survive. I believe the United States must implement the following farm policies to benefit farmers, provide our nation with wholesome food, protect our natural resources, and restore our rural communities:

Fair Price and Fair Markets
Cancel NAFTA and the WTO, replacing them with bilateral trade agreements designed to benefit family farmers and workers while protecting the health of communities and the environment.

Market Concentration
Create new markets by actively enforcing existing anti-trust laws and proposing new laws to force divestiture in concentrated markets, breaking apart monopolistic agribusiness companies and shifting farm economics towards higher commodity prices for farmers.

Biotechnology and GM Seeds
Advocate only for responsible farm sector biotechnology, creating an indemnity fund -- financed by the corporations responsible for the technology -- for farmers who incur losses caused by genetically modified organisms (GMOs). To protect farmers, labeling GMO seeds with disclosure and liability information must be required. To protect consumers, food containing GMOs also requires labeling.

Local Food Systems
Shift USDA funding and focus away from the promotion of concentrated intensive and industrial agribusiness. The new focus must benefit family farmers, rural communities, the environment, and consumers, with policies crafted to enable farmers to earn a fair price and to provide safe, nutritious food to all people.

Conservation and Environmental Protection
Strengthen and enforce air and water quality laws to safeguard rural communities from factory farm pollution.

Food Industry Workers and Food Safety
Implement new safety standards in meatpacking and food processing. Worker health and safety protections would be expanded through increased inspections and fines, with criminal charges for employers who cause injury or death to agricultural industry workers.

Rural Communities
Initiate a major new program of investment in rural America, putting thousands to work rebuilding invaluable public assets such as schools, hospitals, libraries, swimming pools, and parks. Teachers, doctors, veterinarians, and other important service providers would be offered incentives to work in under-served areas.


More Details here: http://kucinich.us/issues


And the plan to end the iraq invasion and occupation...

1. The US announces it will end the occupation, close military bases and withdraw.

2. US announces that it will use existing funds to bring the troops and necessary equipment home.

3. Order a simultaneous return of all US contractors to the United States and turn over all contracting work to the Iraqi government.

4. Convene a regional conference for the purpose of developing a security and stabilization force for Iraq.

5. Prepare an international security and peacekeeping force to move in, replacing US troops who then return home.

6. Develop and fund a process of national reconciliation.

7. Reconstruction and Jobs. Restart the failed reconstruction program in Iraq.

8. Reparations. The US and Great Britain have a high moral obligation to enable a peace process by beginning a program of significant reparations to the people of Iraq for the loss of lives, physical and emotional injuries, and damage to property. There should be special programs to rescue the tens of thousands of Iraqi orphans from lives of destitution. This is essential to enable reconciliation.

9. Political Sovereignty. Put an end to suspicions that the US invasion and occupation was influenced by a desire to gain control of Iraq's oil assets by A) setting aside initiatives to privatize Iraqi oil interests or other national assets, and B) by abandoning efforts to change Iraqi national law to facilitate privatization.

10. Iraq Economy. Set forth a plan to stabilize Iraq's cost for food and energy, on par to what the prices were before the US invasion and occupation.

11. Economic Sovereignty. Work with the world community to restore Iraq's fiscal integrity without structural readjustment measures of the IMF or the World Bank.

12. International Truth and Reconciliation.

Complete details here: http://kucinich.us/iraqplan
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Steve_in_California Donating Member (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:08 PM
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37. Chlidren flock to Dennis because of his simple appeal.
Did I say simple? I meant to say "simple-minded." Vote for Dennis and get candy!
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 11:56 AM
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80. Well, if that's true, it sure beats the sharp sticks in the eyes we're getting now
and will continue to get with any of the Repukes or CorpoDems running.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 01:15 PM
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38. Thank you for not voting for someone you'd rather not, just to out-flank Hillary.
Thank you for voting your conscience.

And thanks also to the nasties for posting their usual schoolyard taunts in this thread. :)
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 01:49 AM
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62. They just can't resist, can they?
Predictable, too.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 09:35 AM
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68. I'm starting to enjoy it.
Edited on Thu Sep-27-07 09:36 AM by redqueen
It's consistent, at least!
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 02:01 PM
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40. I too will be voting Dennis in the primaries
Now whether the ES&S computer system that counts our votes here in NC will actually count my vote, well, I guess I'll never know. :( But.. yay for Dennis! :applause:
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 02:55 PM
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41. If everyone that agrees with him votes for him in the primaries, he could
well win. Unfortunately, the M$M is doing a remarkably blatant job of suppressing his message.

I think the AFL-CIO debate scared the shit out of them.
:kick: & R



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RangerRK Donating Member (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 03:21 PM
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43. We must do more than vote...
Please spread the word about him

Kucinich on the Issues
http://dk2008.us/issues

12 Point Plan to End the Iraq War
http://dk2008.us/endthewar
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 03:27 PM
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44. I'm voting for him TWICE!
Primary and General...

There's no other REAL democrat in the race...
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guidod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 03:45 PM
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51. If he doesn't make it to the general...
....would you get behind the dem. candidate?
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:33 PM
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83. Only if it's really a democrat (n/t)
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DUyellow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 09:54 PM
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54. he is getting close to topping my list
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:18 PM
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56. ME TOO ....AGAIN
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:22 PM
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57. I agree--I was set to vote against Hillary (2nd runner, whoever it was)
but now it seems like they're all the same except Kucinich. I don't think he'll get the nomination, but enough of us voting conscience over fear could scare the panties off the DLCers.
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:31 PM
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59. Go DK!
Even in the little time he had in the so-called debates, his stance on the ISSUES got across.
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:34 PM
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60. Welcome!
I'll be voting for him in the primaries and writing his name in in the General.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 06:28 AM
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63. Beyond unelectable.
Edited on Thu Sep-27-07 06:29 AM by Perry Logan
Dennis would energize the Republican base, and we'd get slaughtered.
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urgk Donating Member (982 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 07:31 AM
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64. I agree, let's lower our standards!
Let's choose the President we think the Republicans will let us have! Let's willingly accept the table scraps of Democracry and go with a LESSER choice! Out of fear! Raaaaaaah!

Onward to mediocrity! Onward to a force-fed Hypotheticalocracy, where imagined situations call the shots!





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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 08:06 AM
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66. I can't decide if that response is great or horrible;
great use of sarcasm, or cutting to close to the bone of reality.

Perhaps both. :(
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 11:59 AM
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81. I love it!
Funny, that's what everyone else says about HRC...energizing the Repuke base. I'd hardly say that about Kucinich. When people hear where he stands on the issues, they think, that's really cool. I've yet to talk to anyone here in liberal Madison, WI who supports HRC. Anyone.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 08:52 PM
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88. You're right about DK, of course.
It's this:

We use exaggerated extremes to express sarcasm. When what should be an exaggerated extreme reflects, instead, mainstream reality, it's no longer funny.

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 09:37 AM
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69. Hello urgk!
I see you've been here for a little while, but not too long yet, so...

Welcome to DU!

:hi:



and :thumbsup: :7
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riqster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 07:39 AM
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65. DK in the Primary, the Dem Nominee in the General
The worst Dem is better then the best Reep.

IMNSHO, if DK got the nomination (doubtful, but a man can dream), he could beat any of the likely Reep opponents. I'd sure love to vote Kucinich twice.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 08:07 AM
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67. Good choice.
Actually, the BEST choice, the ONLY choice, imo. :applause:
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 09:42 AM
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70. I think some people are going to be surprised as the primary results come in
:-)

(I'm a DK voter, too.)
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 10:47 AM
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73. Suprised how?
Do you think he'll get 3% instead of 2%?
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 11:08 AM
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74. Because poll #'s may not accurately reflect his support.
You need to let go of your reliance on these poll numbers.

And seriously, if they are so low, then why even concern yourself with Dennis??

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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 11:12 AM
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76. Or 17% as he did in Minnesota, or 15% as he did in Maine, or
13% as in one of the Western states, I forget which?
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 11:16 AM
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78. I think he is running a much better campaign this time and people
are liking that he doesn't have BLOOD SPLASHED ALL OVER HIM like the other candidates. Some of who are talking even more blood for oil.

Choosing the righteous path is not one of instant gratification. He has had to wait YEARS for his stance he took against big business in Cleveland to pay political capital. Thing is, he isn't doing it for political capital he is doing it because it is the right thing to do.
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Lord Helmet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 11:17 AM
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79. great line about voters choosing him or someone tall
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:56 PM
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84. THAT was the best One-Liner of the night
I watched most of that debate (came in late) and there were only two people on the dais that I cannot vote for under ANY circumstances...

hillary and Gravel.

I'm afraid Gravel has gone too far over the edge into incoherency. It was fun watching him zing the others but when he talks about policies -- it's drivel.

hillary has not, will not, is programmed not to answer a single question. If elected she wouldn't satisfy a single need or suggest a single policy that doesn't aid and comfort her natural constituency -- her Corporate Capitalist Masters... hillary -- no fucking way. I found myself yelling at the screen, "Can't you answer ONE FUCKING QUESTION!???!!?!?!" She couldn't -- not even the baseball question...

------------

Dennis Kucinich is still my guy. I'm voting my principles in the primary for SURE and he covers them best. I vote for the short guy even though I'm relatively tall.

If I had a gun to my head and HAD to pick one of the "big three" it would doubtless be Edwards. I believe in his basic compassion and understanding of real people's lives and troubles. I believe in his capacity to grow and change according to People's needs (not the whims of corporate fortune). I believe he can be led to abandon the impossible to pass, inadequate health insurance "plan" he pioneered (and hillary stole and deformed) and embrace the only REAL solution, Universal Single-Payer... And he'll fucking ANSWER A QUESTION WITH AN ANSWER. I like that trait in a potential President.

Obama wouldn't bother me too much either. I believe in his compassion, he's a great talker, my Republican Mom would vote for him (and she wouldn't cross the street to SPIT on hillary) and he appears to have a capacity to learn and grow. My problem with Obama is his inexperience and some of his corporate ties. He's not been around long enough to really understand how evil and counter-productive the current system is... I think he'd end up being hamstrung as Slick Willie was the first couple of years... I also think he'd listen too hard to corporate interests.

I was impressed with Biden's intelligence, poise, gravitas and concise, responsive answers. For the first time he looked to me as if he were ALREADY President and it wouldn't bother me too much if he were. If not President, he'd make the best Sec'y of State this country would ever have!

Dodd -- well, he's not hillary.

Richardson is Sooooooo Dog Damn good on nearly EVERY issue. If only he weren't pro-death, I could really get behind the guy...but I will NOT support anyone who's pro-death...

I wish they'd let Richardson and Dennis talk more but then, that's not why the M$M pays these guys who run these things so much money. The moderator's JOB is to make sure that the "fringe" candidates -- the non-corporate 5 get short shrift. Can't have a non-corporate president in corporate amerika...
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 09:13 PM
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89. i`m voting for him because i will be the only
person voting for him in my precinct..well i`m voting for him because he`s the best canidate for my belief in what this country should stand for.
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DurShar Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 11:57 PM
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91. I'm voting for him because......
Healthcare is a right not a privilege.

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