Smirking Chimp: Democrats Death Wish

[illinoisprogressive]

I remember back in 2000 watching Democrats flock to another narcissistic candidate, Ralph Nader. Everyone was tired of politics as usual, and Al Gore was as usual at it got, at least back then.

So Democrats and Independents in large number gravitated to Nader - a guy who, at the end of the day was little more than Ross Perot in drag. He couldn't win and he didn't. What could do though was lose the White House for Democrats, which he did.

And so here we are again. Only this time it's not a fringe candidate like Nader that endangers all things progressive. This time it's a heavyweight, a real pro, a seasoned veteran of politics as usual, Hillary Clinton. A candidate apparently able to garner enough votes in her own party to win the nomination, but so unpopular among the population as a whole that she can't possibly win a general election.

Hillary Clinton supporters, what the hell is wrong with you people? Are you stuck on stupid? Do you miss the "As the Clintons Turn" soap opera so much you are willing to lose the the White House again just for the slimmest chance of getting it back on the air? Maybe you're like Paris Hilton and Britney Spears groupies - emotional captives of the dame of American drama queens.

Hillary supporters are among the first to denounce the polarization of American politics of the Bush years. How ironic that is, since Hillary is herself one of America's most polarizing politicians. In fact, a Hillary candidacy would be far more polarizing than GW Bush's first run for the White House. After all, Bush was less known and consequently had racked up lower negatives when he first ran. For better and worse the nation knows Hillary, and polls show that 40% of likely voters know they don't like her.

Come on guys, don't do it. Don't fall for Hillary's phony-baloney, no-truth in packaging, bull. She's the Anti-Christ of the Democratic party. She's a Venus Fly Trap for liberal suckers. She's the Eva Peron of American politics. She's a shill for some of the nation's most avaricious special interests -- who have an extra special interest in your pocketbook.

Hillary is every inch as corrupt as Tom DeLay ever was. She's just been more artful in getting away with it. Do you think it's just the strangest of coincidences that every time a Clinton is running for high office they get caught running with sleaze bags and criminals?

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/10117

[babylonsister]

1. The site is 'Smirking Chimp'. the author is not. Get it straight please.

Attribution goes a long way, and you shouldn't badmouth a site that posts different pov's.

[flpoljunkie]

24. The author is Stephen Pizzo, nominated for Pulitzer for "The Looting of America's Savings and Loans"

Stephen Pizzo is the author of numerous books, including "Inside Job: The Looting of America's Savings and Loans," which was nominated for a Pulitzer. His web site is News For Real.

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/10117

[rinsd]

39. Then he should have been properly atrributed for this, shouldn't he?

Why leave the implication of Smirking Chimp unless the OP wanted to lend the cred of Smirking Chimp to the OP?

[monktonman]

2. Man are you asking for it,

I got your back.
Hill inc. is gonna make you pay.

[jgraz]

3. But...she's ahead in the polls!!!!

How can you criticize our inevitable nominee??

[RufusTFirefly]

14. What?!!! I thought the election was already over!!

You mean we still have time to vote???

[jgraz]

15. Good point. What was I thinking??

In fact, I think she's already been declared our Greatest President Ever.

[pansypoo53219]

4. i blame

bill fucking boring bradley more.

[Ninga]

38. Careful there i blame.......bill bradley was no Elvis...but Gore in 2000 wasn't either.

Leadership means being able to rise above and take on challenge.

[Schema Thing]

5. meh... the truth is, Republicans kinda-sorta think she'll be ok

[silverweb]

9. Exactly.

I know a couple of elder Republicans who are actually rooting for her -- and not because they think the GOP can beat her. To them, she actually represents more of their pre-Bush Republican values.

[illinoisprogressive]

6. the full article is good in that it expresses what many are thinking and trying to say.

[Trajan]

7. Hillary is ahead in the polls .....

And no amount of foot stomping is going to change that ....

P E R S U A S I O N would be needed ..... And it simply hasn't been there ....

She has apparently, through one historical aspect or another, assumed a lead, and has kept it ....

Whatcha gonna do ? ..... Stomp some more ?

I am no Hillary lover, but honestly ..... The jousting with windmills is kinda funny, and kinda sad too .....

DU is gonna be a scary place come next march ....

Hearts might not be melting then, but the snows hopefully will be ....

[Gloria]

8. How many people will just sit home this election????

[Trajan]

10. Hopefully ....

The 44% who wont vote for her ....

:evilgrin:

[OwnedByFerrets]

30. You can hope and wish all you want.....

What I have found in MY world is that she IS a polarizing individual and is the repugs best hope to get their base out and voting. You want to lose another election? Nominate a Clinton.

Why aren't we as a party smart enough to nominate someone who ISN'T polarizing? We have several. Edwards, Dodd, and Richardson seem to meet that criteria. Any one of them would make a great candidate. Nominate Hillary or Obama as the vice and groom them for the next presidency.

[liberal renegade]

11. just the uninformed.

[Bitwit1234]

12. I could write an article panning and flaming your candidate

as easy as you are flaming Hillary Clinton. But guess what I think I am above pulling republican dirty tricks, sewer spewing tatics. The more these people print their filth the more people look at the candidate they choose and say......just like bush supported the swift boaters.....how can this candidate let these people support HIM. Well it just goes to show like goes to like and these type of things will bring that candidate down.

GO HILLARY KICK ASS ....... THE JEALOUS CANDIDATE IS TRYING THEIR BEST TO SMEAR YOU BUT IT WON'T WORK...THE MUD GOES BACK ON THEIR CANDIDATE.

[jgraz]

16. Y'know, English is a wonderful language. You should really think about using it.

Seriously, dude. What the hell are you talking about?

[Bitwit1234]

13. QUESTION...but I bet the other candidate supporter can't answer it.

I would like to know all the crooked things Hillary has done.

I would like to know all the deals she has pulled.

I would like to know the artful dodging sleaze bag things she has done.


YOU PEOPLE ARE SO QUICK TO THROW MUD AROUND BUT YOU NEVER EVER POST ANYTHING THAT SUPPORTS THE SLIME YOU SPREAD.

[Triana]

17. Hooboy this is gonna be good - schoolyard *fight!* (K & R bytheway)

:popcorn:

[Dammit Ann]

18. I'll wager...

Bill doesn't even like Hillary most of the time. I'm married, I know these things. Any takers?



We are not ready for a woman President. Oops, I just raised...



And that was a joke...



Honestly, now, no bullshit...


I DO NOT WANT THIS WOMAN TO BE PRESIDENT.


SHE IS NOT ON OUR SIDE!


And I AM a woman and I even LIKE HER.

She just doesn't care and she definitely doesn't "get it".

Kucinich, all the way, if we repeat it, it will become reality. Try it.

For all of our sakes. No joking anymore.

[Apollo11]

19. All these anti-Hillary posts aren't helping

I am starting to get the impression that anti-Hillary posts here on DU far outnumber pro-Obama and pro-Edwards posts combined.

If you don't want Hillary to be the nominee, that's fine with me.

Then you should be working for Edwards or Obama or one of the other candidates.

Comparing your candidate to Hillary and saying why he would make a better President is legitimate.

But bashing Hillary just because she is doing well in the polls is getting tired - at least for me.

I think the real problem for the "not-Hillary" people is that we cannot agree on who should be President.

Some of us are still wishing for Al Gore to enter the race, which looks increasingly unlikely.

The not-Hillary camp is hopelessly split between Obama, Edwards, Kucinich, etc.

This is one of the main reasons why Hillary is looking stronger every week.

But it's not really fair to blame her for the relative weakness of her challengers.

[Triana]

20. IS she doing well in the polls - or are the "POLLS" being manufactured to sway...

..public opinion and paint Hillary as the "inevitable" candidate.

Don't think the plutocracy would play such games, Pollyanna?

THINK AGAIN.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. It's not HER. NOR is it the "weakness" of her challengers but rather the strength and ability of the White House and corprat-owned lamestream media working together to push the candidate THEY want to be the nominee (because they KNOW she'll lose) upon the public as "doing well" in the polls.

Think: Josef Goebbels

Now, I am a woman and I like - even admire Hillary as a very successful woman. Is she my choice? NO. She lacks the integrity I like to see in a candidate and I can't trust her.

BUT

BUT

BUT

THAT is not what bothers me. What bothers me is that all these "polls" she's supposedly doing so well in when you can hardly find a person "out there" who wants her to be the nominee are VERY VERY SUSPECT.

And I'm no damned Polyanna who thinks our government and the corprat-owned media (which we KNOW prefers a REPUBLICAN and therefore corprat-friendly) White House wouldn't put the pro-Hillary propaganda out there in order to sway public opinion and get the Dem nominee THEY want (Hillary).

WHY? Because they know she'll lose and they will ultimately get the Republican president in 2008 that THEY want. She's possibly being "manufactured" as the nominee by forces that we ought not to be so trusting of.

"POLLS" can and often are skewed, BOUGHT, and/or conducted by organizations with political and financial interests in having or keeping one party or the other in power.

[Apollo11]

21. OK - so why not ignore the polls?

There are still 4 months to go before the primaries start.

According to state polls, Iowa looks to be a three-way race.

The outcome in Iowa will affect all the other states.

There is everything still to play for.

No need for Edwards' and Obama's supporters to lose heart.

By all means - tell us why Edwards is the best candidate.

It's fair to comment on all the candidates past voting records.

But negative bashing won't help us choose the next President.

[Triana]

23. Who's bashing Hillary?

I'm bashing the manipulative plutocracy. Have I said yet that it's not about HER?

Y Kan't U read?

EDIT to add the word MANIPULATIVE.

[Apollo11]

29. The Original Post falls into that category

Y Kan't U read?

"Come on guys, don't do it. Don't fall for Hillary's phony-baloney, no-truth in packaging, bull. She's the Anti-Christ of the Democratic party. She's a Venus Fly Trap for liberal suckers." etcetera.

[onenote]

31. tired same old same old: "you can hardly find a person "out there" who wants her to be the nominee"

Here is a list of just some of the people that have publicly endorsed Clinton. It doesn't include several unions that have endorsed her or any of the state/local officials. Do these people not exist? Do they not have any supporters that will be influenced by their endorsement? Do they all have a death wish? Are they "manufactured" too? I'm not a Hillary supporter (I've not donated to any presidential candidate yet). But sticking your head in the sand and trying to wish away facts on the ground is just dumb.

Gen. Wesley Clark
Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schulz
Rep. Alcee Hastings
Rep. Alyson Schwartz
Gov. Tom Vilsack
Gov. Jon Corzine
Geraldine Ferraro
Gov. Martin O'Malley
Sen. Barbara Mikulski
Rep. Sheila Jackson-Lee
Rep. Richard Neal
Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse
Rep. Jim Langevin
Steven Spielberg
Rep. Kendrick Meek
Rep. Dutch Ruppersberger
Rep. Henry Cuellar
Dr. Maya Angelou
Rep. Ruben Hinojosa
Rep. Jay Inslee
Rep. Albio Sires
Rep. Corrine Brown
Fmr. Mayor David Dinkins
Fmr. Sen. Richard Gephardt
Rep. Jane Harman
Rep. Ellen Tauscher
Fmr. Ambassador Joseph Wilson
Rep. Tammy Baldwin
Gov. Mike Beebe
Rep. Emanuel Cleaver
Sen Debbie Stabenow

[OwnedByFerrets]

32. If I could nominate YOUR post, I would. Its great and right on point...nt

[Toots]

28. It is the tactics of the Republicans

It is quite easy to see that mentality here.. Go negative because it is all they have...

[wyldwolf]

22. Ask the Smirking Chimp these questions...

Was Ralph Nader leading Democrats in all national polls?
Was Ralph Nader leading all Democrats in 3 of the 4 early Primary states and most of the rest of them?
Was Ralph Nader leading all Republican in head to head match-ups, even in at least three red state?
Was Ralph Nader raising millions of dollars?

Yep! Valid comparison. :sarcasm:

[rinsd]

36. Its not Smirking Chimp. Its a blog on Smirking Chimp

A couple of Obama supporters do this all the time.

They'll post anti-Clinton Kos diaries without saying that it isn't Kos.

[robcon]

25. Who edits the Smirking Chimp?

"This time it's a heavyweight, a real pro, a seasoned veteran of politics as usual, Hillary Clinton. A candidate apparently able to garner enough votes in her own party to win the nomination, but so unpopular among the population as a whole that she can't possibly win a general election."

Doesn't the writer have to support that peculiar notion that she "can't possibly win" the election if she's nominated? You know what I mean... facts or evidence? Since the only way to know her prospects is to read the polls as they exist now (no polls are dated November, 2008, so they are certainly imperfect) the words "can't possibly win" are lies, IMO. The rest of the screed contains so many lies and half-truths and incredible contortions of facts that it appears that the writer will do anything to try to fit them into the thesis that Hillary Clinton can't win.

Incredible that anyone on DU would believe this crap.

[robcon]

26. The desperation on DU is palpable

The number of anti-Hillary screeds is incredible. Here's a capture of the leading threads at 8:55 AM on 9/26/07.

Why is it so important the Hillary win????

Smirking Chimp: Democrats Death Wish

Even Republicans know they're screwed

Why is it ok to post from RW BS websites to attack Hillary?

Hillary refuses to answer the most important question.

Salon's Walter Shapiro: Iraq and Roll Over. Why the Antiwar Surge Failed in

Congress Click here to hide this thread from Huff Po: "Hillary Is Bush's Ticket to Posterity" (Andrew Sullivan)

Fascinating article about a Clinton-Obama ticket

Oh Yes....William Jefferson Clinton will make a fine First Gentleman!

If your candidate isn't nominated and Hillary becomes the nominee, what will you do? (Poll)

Senator Biden's Resolution on Lebanon Wins Unanimous Support in the Senate.

Observing Our Government Through Blackwater

DailyKos: Why It's So Important that Hillary Be Defeated

9 of the top 13 threads are anti-Hillary, or seeking anti-Hillary responses!

There's a level of desperation on DU that is laughable, if it weren't so pathetic.

[OwnedByFerrets]

33. You are correct. We are desperate to get

people to understand that we cant afford to lose this election by nominating the most polarizing candidate in memory. We have other choices that can actually win this coming Presidential election. We can, at that point, get Hillary or Obama as vice and groom them as electable candidates.

[LWolf]

27. I don't disagree.

I would point out that the same points could be made about Obama and his supporters.

[oasis]

34. Supreme Court Justices Roberts, Thomas, Scalia and Alito need a poker buddy. The AntiHills

are hard at work trying to find them one.

[rinsd]

35. Can we make a rule where people identify these as blogs/diaries instead of the site?

[ronnykmarshall]

37. You mean honesty?

Oh come now.

[Semper_FiFi]

40. Yet YOU think that America will vote for a man named "HUSSEIN" as their president?

Not this go around. It'll NEVER happen. The U.S. will not elect ANYONE with a name like that as President.