Senators are NOW voting on the Kyl/Lieberman amendment which Webb warned against!

[flpoljunkie]

Senator Webb argued on the Senate floor that the Kyl/Lieberman resolution was tantamount to giving Bush the authorization to go to war in Iran.

I hope to hell they changed it.

[Debi]

1. Link for cube rats please

:7

[flpoljunkie]

3. It's on C-Span2. Link below.

http://www.c-span.org/watch/cs_cspan2_wm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS2

[Debi]

29. Thank you n/t

[rodeodance]

2. i can not hear the responses-

[flpoljunkie]

4. They are still doing the rollcall of the entire Senate. They always do this first.

[Eurobabe]

5. I think taking role, no one has said anything yet

[Eurobabe]

7. Casey, PA: aye

Jesus it looks like this damn thing is going to pass, WTF??

Boxer, Feinstein

Shit it's going to pass.

[uppityperson]

6. lots of ayes

[Eurobabe]

8. Byrd No, Lugar No, Boxer No, Dodd No

Sorry, they confused me before with Boxer.

Tester No.

[flpoljunkie]

10. Nos: Feingold, Byrd, Biden, Lugar, Dodd, Boxer, Harkin

[rodeodance]

9. Bryd changed vote to NO, Biden NO, LUGER NO

[flpoljunkie]

11. That aye might have been Burr, R-NC.

[rodeodance]

12. Dodd, harkin, NO ---Tester NO Corker aye

[rodeodance]

CLINTON, Bye AYE

[southern_belle]

14. Clinton, Aye.

[Eurobabe]

13. CLINTON AYE

[rodeodance]

15. Hil needs to show whe is strong on TERRORism. Lincoln NO, Cantwell NO

[rodeodance]

18. Pryor, REID of NV AYE

[southern_belle]

Cantwell aye, Pryor No, Reid of NV aye

[Eurobabe]

16. HArry Reid AYE

[uppityperson]

17. Cantwell, no, good. Finally. She listens

[Eurobabe]

19. Klobuchar now NO

[Eurobabe]

22. Whitehouse Aye? Stabenow Aye

[rodeodance]

20. Covachar and Wyden NO, JOE Lieberman AYE, Voynovich AYE

[JTFrog]

21. Unfuckingbelievable.

Clinton Yes, Bayh Yes. And the voice of reason in my reddest of red states is Mr. Lugar?!?

[rodeodance]

23. Reid of RI AYE, Stabenow AYE

[rodeodance]

24. WHITEHOUSE AYE (seem to have lots of Dem votes)

[bdamomma]

36. this amendment they are voting for, recognizing the Iranian

Revoltionary Federation or whatever as a terrorist organization, what the hell, this is their pretext? Liebermann said this amendment was not a call for military action, did anyone hear that? and apparently crazy Joe said they cleaned it up, now who believes that jerk. What is going on with them passing this amendment?

[rodeodance]

43. "This is NOT a vote to auhorize war with IraN"---should have been included (not that

bush would listen)

[bdamomma]

50. thanks for explaining.

[Eurobabe]

25. Kerry NO

[flpoljunkie]

26. Josh Marshall trying to find out what happened in the revision which took place yesterday...

Voting on Now
09.26.07 -- 12:57PM

By Josh Marshall

The Kyl-Lieberman (aka, backdoor to war with Iran) amendment is currently being voted on in the Senate. We'll bring you the final results when we have them. So far, Sens. Reid and Clinton have both voted in the affirmative.

We're still also trying to find out what happened in the revision which took place yesterday and how offensive the bill now being voted on actually is.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/054274.php

[rodeodance]

27. Kerry NO,

[whometense]

28. Kerry, NO n/t

[whometense]

30. WTF??? 76-22

What is WRONG with these people? Have they been body-snatched?

[Eurobabe]

31. It fucking PASSED!!! ARGH!!

[rodeodance]

32. anyone know how OBAMA voted?

[Eurobabe]

40. Not voting or not present

[rodeodance]

45. so, he played it safe again???

[Eurobabe]

47. I don't know now, someone on another thread said

he did NOT vote on Biden amendment, but he did vote on LIEberman bill, I did not hear them call his name.

[flpoljunkie]

46. I did not hear Obama's name. How about Webb? I didn't hear his name either.

[Jillian]

33. omg - it passed

[Jillian]

34. delete

double post

[rodeodance]

37. OMG

[Eurobabe]

35. Did Obama vote? NO

[rodeodance]

39. i wondered what his vote was also in an above post

[polichick]

38. Well, those who voted for it have shown their true colors. nt

[rusty quoin]

41. It was expected to pass

[flpoljunkie]

42. Josh Marshall update: It appears that much, but not all of the offending language was removed...

Late Update: It appears that much but not all of the offending language was removed, particularly the part that more or less authorized war against Iran and all its proxies.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/054274.php

Let us hope so!

[rodeodance]

44. Thanks. glad to see this.

[acmavm]

48. Friggin' arrogant chickenshit pinheads. We will NEVER get

justice out of the dems we sent to Washington. A few apparently have two brain cells to rub together. But I must say, Harry Reid has been on ugly disappointment. Him and his pal Nancy.

[flpoljunkie]

49. More from TPMCafe's Greg Sargent on what was taken out of the Kyl-Lieberman non-binding amendment

Kyl-Lieberman Iran Amendment Passes By Huge Margin

By Greg Sargent - September 26, 2007, 1:15PM
The Kyl-Lieberman Iran amendment just passed overwhelmingly, 76-22.

Of the Dem Presidential candidates, Hillary voted for the measure, Joe Biden and Chris Dodd opposed it, and Barack Obama missed the vote. On the GOP side, John McCain missed the vote.

The bill's backers had tried to mollify its critics by taking out some of its most incendiary language, particularly the idea that "it should be the policy of the United States to combat, contain, and roll back the violent activities and destabilizing influence inside Iraq of the Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran, its foreign facilitators such as Lebanese Hezbollah, and its indigenous Iraqi proxies."

Also removed from the measure was a provision "to support the prudent and calibrated use of all instruments of United States national power in Iraq, including diplomatic, economic, intelligence, and military instruments" in support of the above.

One leading critic, Jim Webb, however, still opposed the bill because it designates the Iran guard a terrorist organization. Nonetheless, it was able to pass overwhelmingly.

http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2007/09/kyllieberman_iran_amendment_passes_by_huge_margin.php

[flpoljunkie]

51. More from TPMCafe...

Also added to the final version was this conciliatory-sounding language:

"Secretary of Defense Robert Gates stated on September 16, 2007 that "I think that the administration believes at this point that continuing to try and deal with the Iranian threat, the Iranian challenge, through diplomatic and economic means is by the preferable approach. That is the one we are using. We always say all options are on the table, but clearly, the diplomatic and economic approach is the one that we are pursuing."

In the end, though, the amendment says this:

"the United States should designate Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps as a foreign terrorist organization...and place the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps on the list of Specially Designated Global Terrorists."

http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2007/09/kyllieberman_iran_amendment_passes_by_huge_margin.php

[slipslidingaway]

55. Thanks the updates! n/t

[xxqqqzme]

52. Since the Democrats - as the fantasy has been put forward -

are supposed to be controlling the Senate - HOW in the hell do these idiot amendments/bills make it to the floor for a vote?

Isn't a Democrat the Senate leader?????

WTF is going on?

[flpoljunkie]

53. Both amendments were "non-binding"--which makes them pretty much political posturing on both sides

[xxqqqzme]

54. so they are wasting time again while all of us in

this speeding handbasket are holding on w/ white knuckles?

Thanx for the info.