Clinton Bangs Iran War Drums

[sandnsea]

And that is really all you need to know about this damn primary.

[redqueen]

1. But... but... but... her last name is CLINTON!

Clinton was GRRREAT!

Peace and prosperity! Peace and prosperity! Bawk!

[HughBeaumont]

26. Some of these people didn't watch "The Big One", I gather.

Wasn't ALL a peaches-and-cream sundae from 1993-2000.

[redqueen]

27. Well isn't hype and PR more meaningful than reality?

:shrug:

[HughBeaumont]

37. It's worked centuries of wonder for royalty and religion.

So why not try it here?

;-)

[Clintonista2]

42. Heeeeyyyy, nice vote by Kucinich on childrens health care btw

I love the wacky rationalizations for that one too! :rofl:

[redqueen]

44. What is it you guys are so fond of saying?

DEFLECT! DEFLECT! DEFLECT! DEFLECT! DEFLECT! DEFLECT!

Go on, laugh it up.

[Clintonista2]

49. Denying children basic health care is nothing to laugh about

I'm sorry your candidate feels so strongly against it, though.

[redqueen]

50. Well you were sure yukkin it up (as usual)

in your last post... so...

:crazy:

[Clintonista2]

51. I was laughing up the wacky rationalizations Kucinich supporters give

For why he denied children basic health care rights.

[redqueen]

52. He didn't deny anything. The bill passed. n/t

[Clintonista2]

53. With DK voting against it

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3550131

[redqueen]

54. Yup I know.

Symbolic vote?

Either way, meaningless... but keep on trying to use it to smear him... maybe it'll work on someone!

Good luck!

:hi:

[Clintonista2]

56. Wait... you mean using a candidates vote to prove how hypocritical they are is a "smear"?

If it's a "smear" to point out how he voted, then maybe he should have voted differently?

[redqueen]

60. It doesn't make him hypocritical.

So yeah, it's a smear.

[Ignis]

61. An HRC supporter attacking the Kooch on a vote?

Be sure to wear your special shark-jumping shoes!

:hi:

[jillan]

2. Tim Russert is hosting the debate tonite. No matter what you think of him -

he is politically savvy.

I wouldn't be surprised if the subject of Iran comes up tonite.

[goclark]

3. That did it!

[movonne]

4. At one time I really liked Hillary, but no more...she is a DLCer

which has been taken over by corporations and lobbists..if people really keep track of what she is doing, they would never vote for her...she and Lieberman are cut from the same cloth...

[ShortnFiery]

7. The Democratic Party has been taken over by corporate maggots known as the DLC. nt

[Zodiak]

22. ...but....but...Leiberman has a 77% rating from ADA!

:sarcasm:

[jenmito]

5. But there's a chance one of HER donors could win a seat on the couch with her HUSBAND!

Isn't that reason enough to vote for her?

[ProudDad]

6. She's just another coward

in the pay of her corporate capitalist masters...

Not with MY VOTE!!!

[ProudDad]

8. In contrast,, Kucinich voted AGAINST this bullshit

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3006620

Which is the REAL democrat?

[jillan]

9. Dodd and Biden voted NO on the Senate floor.

[BonnieJW]

18. And all the usual patriots

Feingold, Kerry, Webb, Dodd, etc. Their number grows smaller all the time.

[atreides1]

10. But

Kucinich also voted against the SCHIP Bill in the house, so what now?

[jillan]

11. He did??? No way!

[Atman]

13. Ooooh...yeah...let's kill a few hundred thousand Iranian women and children!

I mean...DK is standing up for a principle which will actually HELP people. He's voted against every one of BushCo's war escalations. But this is what you consider his defining moment?

:wtf:

.

[redqueen]

23. Did you wonder why? If not, feel free to ignore this post...

Kucinich: SCHIP Bill Fails To Provide Health Coverage For Legal Immigrant Children



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Washington, Sep 25 - Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-OH), issued the following statement after voting against the State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) conference report today:

“I cannot support legislation which extends health coverage to some children while openly denying it to other children,” Kucinich said. “This legislation is woefully inadequate: and I will not support it.

“Legal immigrant children deserve the same quality health care as other children receive. It is Congress’ responsibility to address the main difficulties that prevent legal immigrant children from gaining access to health care. Today, we did exactly the opposite.

“HR 676 guarantees full health care coverage for all children. When considering a universal health care proposal, HR 676, the Medicare for All bill, is the only health care plan that addresses three important issues: quality, accessibility, and cost. HR 676 stands alone in an increasingly crowded field of efforts to provide health care coverage to all,” Kucinich said.

Kucinich voted for the original House-passed version of the bill because it contained language to grant health coverage for legal immigrant children. However, in today’s bill, this language was omitted.

[ProudDad]

24. " Kucinich: SCHIP Bill Fails To Provide Health Coverage For Legal Immigrant Children"

Washington, Sep 25 - Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-OH), issued the following statement after voting against the State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) conference report today:

“I cannot support legislation which extends health coverage to some children while openly denying it to other children,” Kucinich said. “This legislation is woefully inadequate: and I will not support it.

“Legal immigrant children deserve the same quality health care as other children receive. It is Congress’ responsibility to address the main difficulties that prevent legal immigrant children from gaining access to health care. Today, we did exactly the opposite.

“HR 676 guarantees full health care coverage for all children. When considering a universal health care proposal, HR 676, the Medicare for All bill, is the only health care plan that addresses three important issues: quality, accessibility, and cost. HR 676 stands alone in an increasingly crowded field of efforts to provide health care coverage to all,” Kucinich said.

Kucinich voted for the original House-passed version of the bill because it contained language to grant health coverage for legal immigrant children. However, in today’s bill, this language was omitted.

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EXACTLY -- HR676 is the solution to all of this. This bill will be vetoed and the dems will fail to override that veto in the House -- again.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

12. expect them to get louder post-primary

when her advocors tell her she doesn't have to please the left anymore and c an 'move to the center' aka return to her rightwing pre-2007 self

[killbotfactory]

14. What else should I expect from America's Margaret Thatcher?

Who also happens to be attached at the hip to AIPAC?

[aquart]

19. Wow. Wanting Israel to exist is a negative for you.

So you'd rather have her attached at the hip to the Saudis, like George?

Disgusting.

[ProudDad]

25. AIPAC is NOT about "wanting Israel to exist"

AIPAC is about wanting Israel to DOMINATE...

Big difference...

[jenmito]

30. Exactly!

BIG difference.

[redqueen]

38. I'd have thought that was well known by now...

:shrug:

[jenmito]

28. No...but supporting them unconditionally is wrong...

and Bush supports both AIPAC and the Saudis. So could Hillary. :shrug:

[sandnsea]

29. She is

Don't kid yourself.

[killbotfactory]

40. AIPAC wants to provoke a war with Iran

So they can go fuck themselves.

[PurityOfEssence]

15. Why on earth is this person so popular with Democrats?

I can only think of five reasons:

Name and History: Revenge motivates certain Dems who want to rub the reactionaries' noses in what they did with the persecution of Bill Clinton in the 90s. (This is childish, stupid and dangerous.)

Gender: Much as many will deny it 'til the bulls come home, it's a desire for a woman (virtually ANY woman) to become president.

Lack of Awareness: She has name recognition and the rest really don't. Couple this with the hatred the right has spewed about her for the last 17 years, and many presume she must be good if they hate her.

Ego: They've identified her as "their candidate", and like most people, they'd rather have their fingernails pulled out while people laugh at their genitals in public than ever admit they might be wrong. This, coupled with the pathetic need to be on the winning team is responsible for much of humanity's historical idiocies.

"Courage": They've bought the bullshit that she's the steadfast fighter against the right, and being lily-livers themselves, are all googly-eyed at the concept of a tough and resolute heroine. It's like the AV guy worshiping the Captain of the Football team: wimprapture of thuggery.

Did I miss something? She's the most bellicose of the bunch. She's the most conservative of the bunch. She's got the worst trade policy. She's got the worst work visa policy. What's to like?

[partylessinOhio]

32. I don't want a woman President. I had a woman boss, they are hell.

I want a qualified President who will save America, restore our Constitutional rights and work for world peace. I most definitely do NOT want someone who even breathes expanding the BushWar into Iran.

[superkia]

45. His name is Dennis Kucinich!

He has been standing up against the attack on the constitution, war and corrupt politics at every turn. No other candidate has been as direct on the big issues like he has. He is not afraid to stand up and give the people a voice over the corporations. If we want true change in our politics and our country, he is the one!

[hedgehog]

58. Can you post this as a seperate thread?

I think your summary deserves wider viewing.

[Bitwit1234]

16. Stuff a sock in it. You are getting so sickening with this crap.

If your OBAMA was so hot why didn't he show up to vote. He was going after both sides. Which ever one came out on top....that would be the one he choose. Other wise he would have voted. And until you read the bill (which had the war part removed) how can you tell what's going on. Psychic perhaps.

[sandnsea]

17. He was wrong not to, she is worse

She is wrong on every issue, every single one. Iraq, Iran, health care, jobs, trade, visas, all of it. There's nothing to support, if people would just open their damn eyes.

[zulchzulu]

20. Defend Clinton's vote to bait Iran...

You can stuff that sock down yours as well. What do ya got? Defend the vote...

[Clintonista2]

43. Clinton can appeal to independents by

voting on a NON BINDING resolution. NON BINDING. The president doesn't even have to sign it. You know that "democrats are weak on national security" meme? Hillary appeals to independents by breaking that mold, by voting on this NON BINDING resolution.

[Texas_Kat]

57. Obama and Dodd cosponsered the same thing in March 07.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3555043

Still have a problem with it?

[AtomicKitten]

21. Harsh but unfortunately probably true.

I really believe that to be true now. With Hillary failing to commit to full troop withdrawal by the end of her first term http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1890487 combined with the fact that Junior is coaching her on keeping the war going, I don't see any other viable way to look at this.

[Cameron27]

31. AK

I thought bush offered unsolicited advice to all the Democratic candidates, not coaching, and not just to Clinton. Did I miss a news release?

[AtomicKitten]

34. The WH briefing of presidential candidates is actually traditional.

Did you see Olbermann yesterday? There is something about the focus being on Hillary being coached by Junior to "not box yourself in by committing to withdrawal," and unfortunately that news tidbit was issued concomitantly with Hillary declining to commit to full troop pull-out by the end of her first term.

Perhaps it is a constellation of news items that together make some, including me (and Olbermann), nervous.

[Cameron27]

39. I watched KO, that's where I thought

the unsolicited bit was brought out. I'll try to catch a re-run tonight.

[emilyg]

33. At least she banged - Obama did not even bing.

[AtomicKitten]

36. And I for one am glad he didn't "bing" or "bang" the drums of war.

[sandnsea]

41. Seems most important to me n/t

[CrispyQ]

35. She lost me with her "preparing to fight the new war" comment. -nt

[polichick]

46. Yep, and she's not alone...

There's no way the Senate doesn't get that today's action is the only encouragement Bush needs.

[Imagevision]

47. Hillary stated if she's elected prez she will end the war quickly and as safe as she can, so

one may have to read into this comment what one believes she means?

[eridani]

48. Since Clark has been working hard to stop war with Iran--

--I wonder if he will reconsider his endorsement.

[Texas_Kat]

59. Doubt it, but I wonder where all the outrage today was

back in the spring when he started ringing the alarm bells that Bush would start pushing a REAL confrontation with Iran.

About the same time Obama and Dobb and others were co-sponsoring this same bill?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3555043

[Clintonista2]

55. Obama bangs war drums: Co-sponsors bill to backdoor a war with Iran

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3555043&mesg_id=3555043