*** OFFICIAL DEMOCRATIC DEBATE THREAD # 4 ***

[proud patriot]

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Thread # 1

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3552288&mesg_id=3552288


THREAD # 2

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3552469&mesg_id=3552469


Thread # 3

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3552741&mesg_id=3552741

[Whoa_Nelly]

1. OK HIllary--The answer is: It's a states' issue

Be up front! I hate it when people dance around a question.

Should there be a national law banning smoking?

Clear question..simple to answer.

:eyes:

[Cameron27]

2. So did Obama

[journalist3072]

7. She was very clear. She said she believes it's being handled on the local level right now

You can't get much clearer than that.

[Colobo]

3. Obama: "The best cure to stop smoking is my wife."

[Cameron27]

10. That was funny :-)

[Auggie]

4. Drinking Age??? I want to hear about election reform!!

[Colobo]

6. Hillary cackles again.

[jenmito]

32. And just now AGAIN when he said the lightning round will be next!

Will she shut up with that already?

[Colobo]

48. She sounds like one of those birds we have here in Florida...

[0007]

76. ....know what ya mean jelly bean! The laugh is like a shrill chortle

just like a hen before it lays an egg.

[jenmito]

105. Is this the same birdie that told you about the D.R.A.G. Principle?

Somehow I doubt it. :D

[ChiciB1]

123. Why Does She Do That ALL THE TIME?? It's So Grating & Shrill... n/t

[juajen]

184. A lot of people, including me, love her laugh.

Honestly, ya'll pick on the damnedest things.

[Auggie]

24. Did Dennis just say the drinking age should be 16??

[Connie_Corleone]

30. Voting age 16. Drinking 18

[Auggie]

42. Mmmm... that's what I get for drinking during a drinking question

[Orangepeel]

101. that's as stupid as it is now, only lower

The age at which you are able to vote should be the age of full citizenship. Once you reach that age, there shouldn't be special laws against you that don't apply to anyone else. I don't know whether it should be 16, 18, 21 or whatever, but there should be one age of majority at which you can vote, drink, sign contracts and go to jail as an adult.

[goodgd_yall]

36. No!----the voting age s/b 16.

[Cameron27]

5. Good a straight answer from Biden...again.

[MadBadger]

8. I know it wont look good if one agrees that drinking age should be lowered

but I will love that person (so close only a year to go for me).

[knight_of_the_star]

22. Whoever does

Will get so many college age votes it will be ridiculous.

[juajen]

186. Good reason why they are too young to vote, IMHO

N/T

[mrreowwr_kittty]

9. 20 bucks says Gravel will come out for lowering the drinking age.

Maybe Dennis. None of the others will.

[Dawgs]

18. Did you get any takers? You'd be rich now.

[tridim]

19. Good call!

[zulchzulu]

23. Look at the people on this stage! They're all drunk now!

[Catchawave]

11. What's next breastfeeding in public ?

:eyes:

[Cameron27]

15. I know, dumb question in the scale of things.

[goodgd_yall]

43. Probably, at this rate. What a waste of 20 minutes.

[Colobo]

12. Biden nails Hillary again.

[jillan]

20. Tonite was suppose to be the nite for Obama to do it.

[Colobo]

29. You know, I'm glad he's not doing it. He's keeping his cool

while Hillary goes down in flames.

[jillan]

38. He's gotta do it if he wants to gain on her.

[MadBadger]

53. No he doesnt

he can let everybody else do it for her, which they have.

[Connie_Corleone]

44. Timmy and Biden are doing it for him.

If no one was going after her, then I would say Obama needs to go after her.

[knight_of_the_star]

54. But Edwards and the others are doing what he should be

They're pounding on her when he needs to do so to pull himself out of second place.

[ChiciB1]

109. Obama Is Playing It A Little TOO Safe... Not Taking On Anyone, But

that is his style. Not mine... but he's raking in money! So why is Hillary so far ahead if he's getting ALL THE money??

Want to take a guess?

[knight_of_the_star]

13. The moment one of them says they'll drop the drinking age

They will win so many votes in the college crowd it will be scary.

[MadBadger]

14. As a 20 year old, i think its funny that I could be at war and be arrested for underage drinking.

Hilarious!

[jillan]

27. I agree - 18 for everything

[mrreowwr_kittty]

37. They'd charge you as an adult for that, too

How's that for irony?

[Sparkly]

49. Wow -- I never thought of that!!

:crazy:

[goodgd_yall]

46. Drinking age should also be left to the states, IMO

[Viva_La_Revolution]

77. I don't think it's funny at all.

:(

[billyoc]

16. If soldiers are too young to drink,

raise the enlistment age to 21.

[ChiciB1]

98. That Same Argument Was Made During Viet Nam... About Voting! n/t

[rucky]

17. I like the way they're all broadening what was a pretty silly question.

[rucky]

28. DK: voting age lowered to 16?!?

Yeah, why the heck not!

[Catchawave]

59. I think it's a great idea

Would certainly make government classes more interesting for juniors and seniors!

[MadBadger]

68. Have you been in HS recently?

I have. And the kids who take the government classes are few and far between. The rest are so uninformed it is disgusting.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

130. self edit.

MKJ

[MadBadger]

148. WTF?

[MadBadger]

150. I said its disgusting how uninformed they are

not that they are disgusting. And what is with the personal attack on me?

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

163. sorry,

I had a DU flashback to the HPV vaccine threads. MKJ

[MadBadger]

21. Thank you Gravel and Kucinich

You are my heroes (though I wont vote for either of you)

[Sparkly]

25. The arguments against lowering the drinking age

sounded like arguments against irresponsible drinking, alcoholism, and drinking/driving. I didn't hear them as arguments against legal drinking at 18 vs. 21. :shrug:

[Cameron27]

39. That's true,

if they can vote and fight in a war, they probably should be able to decide whether to drink or not.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

47. Yeah, WTF Biden, with the stuff about fetal alcohol syndrome?

I don't have the stats but I'm guessing most of those babies are born to women over age 21.

[goodgd_yall]

52. Yeah, most were taking about drunk driving n/t

[cui bono]

26. Okay, I disagree with Kooch on lowering the voting age to 16.

[Auggie]

31. Oh DK -- you really blew it!!

[MadBadger]

33. agreed

I agree with the drinking age, but not the voting age.

[rucky]

35. why not?

what a fantastic teachable moment!

[slick8790]

40. Me too.

I'm 17 right now. And I'm terrified that some of my peers will be able to vote soon. At 16? No way.

[bluestateguy]

34. Lower the voting age to 16?

That's absurd.

[Middle finga]

65. I would rather a 16 year to vote than those 29% grown folks that still think Bush

is a good president

[tridim]

41. Have any candidates been asked about marijuana decrim, in any forum?

I'd like to hear their answers.

[zulchzulu]

50. You beat me to it...of course, it's never asked...

[mrreowwr_kittty]

57. Gravel and Kucinich with be for it. The rest will be evasive. n/t

[zulchzulu]

45. Why not ask about medicinal marijuana...

[Colobo]

51. I think Gravel is stoned right now.

[rucky]

55. He's living on flashbacks in his old age.

the gift that keeps on giving.

[Auggie]

56. LOL

[Cameron27]

58. Obama

Important to invite repulicans to join in the discussions. Make sure we're telling the truth.

[Colobo]

60. Hillary gets some cheers... thanks to Bill.

[jefferson_dem]

67. She says she runs on her own merits but the applause line is a response to "The Big Dawg"...

Ok.

[Colobo]

72. She's off tonight. That zinger won't save her.

[Cameron27]

70. Well that's an impossible question to answer,

either the bush-clinton-bush-clinton thing bothers you to the point that you can't vote for her, or it doesn't.

[liberal N proud]

61. Why are they hitting on MOVE ON?

[jefferson_dem]

64. Timbo looking for "gotchas"...

[zulchzulu]

62. The Dynasty question...ouch...

[jillan]

63. Good answer on MoveOn.org Biden! woot and less than 30 secs.

[goodgd_yall]

66. I thought so too n/t

[Catchawave]

74. Dumb question Great answer !

[Colobo]

69. Kooch gets some laughter.

[goodgd_yall]

71. Kucinich made a good joke

[zulchzulu]

73. Kootch: "or you can have a president who's tall..." Um...funny I guess

[jillan]

75. Obama shouldn't have said that - about being in DC

[Dawgs]

78. Why not? What should he have said?

[jillan]

86. c'mon guys - you know why.

[MadBadger]

96. No i dont. So please tell me.

[MadBadger]

79. Why?

[Catchawave]

81. Definitely a gaffe...

[Colobo]

90. Gaffe? Please!

[Connie_Corleone]

82. So he shouldn't tell the truth?

Is there anything Obama has done right tonight according to you?

[zulchzulu]

91. Obama's complete answer proves he was well ahead the curve on Jena

...and he's spanking Richardson on the war issue.

[jillan]

80. Answer the question Richardson

[rodeodance]

83. Dodd is Right.Bush should have immediately suspended all imports of suspect

toys/products until we were sure they were safe!!

[Middle finga]

84. Damn Obama Jena wasn't black or white? I guess Imus wasn't black or

white either.

[Colobo]

94. American issues they are.

[zulchzulu]

85. Obama slaps back with the Jena question...nicely done

[Colobo]

87. MSNBC's First Read is doing a hit job on Obama.

[jillan]

89. Already? The debate is not even over!

He's doing good.

[MadBadger]

88. How did Richardson turn a question about the boyscouts into one about Iraq?

[jillan]

92. I don't get him at all.

[Cameron27]

93. No, I don't either.

[zulchzulu]

100. I used to think he'd be a good VP...not sure now...

He seems to gaffe too much. I like him, but this is politics.

[Cameron27]

104. Me too, but he's been a disappointment

[knight_of_the_star]

95. That's some impressive contortionism

Kind of scary really.

[rucky]

97. Camping. Setting fires. Tying knots. Silly outfits. n/t

[Marrah_G]

108. He answered it quickly

Then used the rest of his time to promote his other ideas. Not a bad move considering he gets way less press then the top 3. Pretty smart really.

[DURHAM D]

110. Hope Richardson doesn't plan to run for office in

New Mexico ever again. The Boy Scout mecca (Philmont) is in his state.

[Think82]

99. Moveon.org line

Have they changed politics for the better?

Biden: They have not changed politics.

That is a terriffic line. Please vote for this man.

[jillan]

102. He is having a great nite - so far.

[liberal N proud]

103. Here we go with the FEAR

[Middle finga]

106. Obama Good answer on torture

[jillan]

107. Biden - no torture! And he is strong!

[Think82]

146. ELECT PRESIDENT BIDEN

please

[Cameron27]

111. Very good point by Hillary

no evidence that it works, besides being immoral.

[zulchzulu]

112. Timmy's torture question...lame... Obama kicks back hard

[Colobo]

116. President Obama. Sounds great.

[rodeodance]

113. I am so glad to hear all the candidates agress NO Torture!

[Cameron27]

114. Two good shots by Clinton

[Sparkly]

117. Yup!

[goodgd_yall]

120. VERY good

[Colobo]

125. Strong answer to Hillary.

[jillan]

115. Good for you Hillary!

[Colobo]

121. Hillary nails Russert!

[Dawgs]

118. Hillary looks a little sleepy tonight, and that's not a criticism of her performance.

She just looks tired to me; not as awake as other debates.

[goodgd_yall]

126. True, but I think she's better when she's more low key like this n/t

[DURHAM D]

128. I am sure she appreciates your concern. n/t

[Dawgs]

135. Huh? I don't care what she thinks. Geez!! It's not my fault she looks tired.

[rodeodance]

133. She was on the senate floor a lot today. All the candidates are running ragged

[rodeodance]

138. She had a grand comback for Russturds 'gotcha' question. Suck it up Tim!

[liberal N proud]

119. That is the first good answer from Hillary

He's not standing here right now about Bill!

[MadBadger]

122. Tricky Timmy

And what are you thinking Bill?

[minkyboodle]

124. Timbo just saved Hillary

With that ridiculous gotcha attempt, he came off looking
like a troll and she nailed him got applause and delivered
a nice one liner. Man this will be all the pundits "moment"
ignoring what happened before. Timbo you are a disgrace
this is supposed to be a debate not one huge gotcha attempt.

[Colobo]

127. Yep. Hillary was saved tonight.

[minkyboodle]

131. right at the end to

how nice.....

[Middle finga]

129. Damn Bill Clinton would torture?

[Colobo]

136. It's seems like it.

[rodeodance]

149. need to be careful with these hypothethicals

[jillan]

132. Edwards - I almost forgot he was there.

[mantis]

140. that is

exactly what tim and nbc hope happens. Ignore Edwards...happens every debate.

[Ninga]

144. Really?

[jillan]

153. Not getting much time tonite :(

[Auggie]

134. Lame questions here

We need a discussion on job creation, election reform, budget & taxes, economy...

[rucky]

137. After the Lightning Round, they get to spin the Big Wheel.

and win fabulous prizes.

[Auggie]

139. LOL

[Auggie]

160. Religion -- Holy shit!

[Middle finga]

141. Tim the shill is laying out eveyones dirty laundry tonight

[goodgd_yall]

159. It's good---this is the dirt that will be coming out more and more

by the Repugs. They need the practice.

[zulchzulu]

142. Dodd pulls up Military Commissions Act...

[Dawgs]

143. WTF!! Why does every question start with Hillary?

[Sparkly]

147. Why do so many of them tie in her husband?

[Cameron27]

145. Clinton did ok on that question IMO

[Cameron27]

151. This gets old, Edwards needs to dump the son of a mill worker

meme.

[Cameron27]

154. Edwards is way too defensive,

just answer the damned question. It's easier than Clinton's.

[goodgd_yall]

165. His big flaw---"But look what I've done!" sounded really lame n/t

[jillan]

173. Why can't they just answer - yes or no?

[GreenArrow]

179. but that's an essential part of his schtick

Ah was boan pooah, and Ah feel yoah discomfut. Theyahs's two Amehicas blah blah blah...

[Cameron27]

180. ROFL

You've nailed it.

[Colobo]

152. Hill tries the "tough woman" stance again, no applause.

[zulchzulu]

155. Edwards took money from Murdoch?

I don't care about the haircuts... what about that though...

[Cameron27]

161. From his book,

Murdoch owned the publishing co.

[ChiciB1]

176. No... This Has Been Discussed... Hillary TOOK Money From Murdoch... n/t

[minkyboodle]

156. I gotta take a shower

thanks for that one greasy Timbo

[rodeodance]

157. I hope that Edwards shuts peoples mouths up about his money!

[MadBadger]

158. Awful close.

Fuck the bible.

[minkyboodle]

162. favorite bible verse

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[nickinSTL]

166. my sentiments exactly

:banghead:

[countmyvote4real]

164. "What is your favorite [fucking] Bible verse?"

Oh please.

[Auggie]

167. Absurd

[Sparkly]

168. I liked Biden's answer to that one!

But yeah, it was a groaner of a question.

[liberal N proud]

169. It fits today so very well

[jillan]

177. That was good - Edwards too.

[countmyvote4real]

182. That was interesting. Biden performed well tonight, but I would never vote for him.

It's also interesting that not one actually recited a verse. They proposed an ideal from a particular passage .

That's a plus for me.

[goodgd_yall]

178. Like they're all supposed to know a verse from the bible?

Uh...uh..."In the beginning."

[zulchzulu]

170. Fave Bible quote...now how about Toran quote...

[Middle finga]

171. Let's get this religion out our politics enough already!

[BlueStater]

172. Red Sox or Yankees?

Argh. This is so lame.

[Cameron27]

174. cutsie pootsie

[Marrah_G]

175. HA, Gravel was born in Mass!

I knew there was something about him I liked. He doesn't have a chance in hell, but he makes me laugh!

[jillan]

181. Robertson said Hillary won!

[countmyvote4real]

183. "because she didn't lose."

And now Tweety and Potato-head are dumping all over her.

IMO, Obama was the biggest loser tonight. I'm not saying that he was the worst. (That would be Richardson.) Obama probably lost the most ground.

I said it before, but Edwards impressed me even when he was turning me off with the millworker defense and he still managed to turn that one around.

I think Dodd was very thoughtful. He bumped up for me.

And Kucinich was still the most remarkable person I could ever want to be POTUS.

[bigdarryl]

185. PREDICTABLE as usually