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AmBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 11:17 PM
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The debate reviews are in.....
Salon.com's Joan Walsh Said Edwards "Made a Strong Impression" and Named Edwards the Winner of the Debate. Chris Matthews posed the question, "Who won tonight's debate?" and Salon.com's Walsh responded, "I think Edwards made a strong impression and I think he pushed her back, he brushed her back a little bit. So I would go with Edwards."

NBC's Chuck Todd: "Edwards Stood Out to Me," "It Was One of His Better Performances." "Of the candidates chasing Clinton, Edwards stood out to me. He seemed to realize he needed to prove contrast with Clinton on just about every answer he gave. It was one of his better performances. The guy is getting his William Jennings Bryan schtick down pat." < http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/09/26/381964.aspx, "Some Quick Post-game Take-aways," 9/26/07>

Newsweek's Howard Fineman: "Edwards Has Emerged So Far the Most Forceful Challenger To" Clinton. "From where I sit, Edwards has emerged so far the most forceful challenger to her (other than Tim Russert)." < http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/thegaggle/archive/2007/09/26/fineman-debate-live-blog.aspx , 9/26/07>

Marc Ambinder: "Victory for JRE," "Edwards Was Straightforward, Confident, Clear." Edwards was Edwards on Centrum Silver: straightforward, confident, clear, knowledgeable, thoroughly encased in his own frame. Ying to the yang of both Obama and Clinton; If you're new to nomination politics, then you'd think Edwards – and not Obama – was Hillary Clinton's main foil. The war. Social Security. Health care. Campaign ethics. Clinton didn't take the punch, but she did move to dodge them, which is a victory for JRE. < http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2007/09/edwards_clinton_spats_stand_ou.php , "Edwards, Clinton Spats Sound Out," 9/26/07>

ABC's Rick Klein: "Edwards May Have Done Himself the Most Good Tonight." "11:02 pm: Quick thoughts -- Hillary Clinton benefits whenever no one else distinguishes himself, and Edwards may have done himself the most good tonight. Obama squeezed in one good line, but I don't see that as enough for the evening." < http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/09/live-blogging-d.html , 9/26/07>

NBC's Domenico Montanaro: Edwards Was "More Presidential" and "Looked Poised." "Edwards looked poised in following up on his answer. Not angry or frustrated as we've seen him before, more presidential." <http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/09/26/381656.aspx , "Edwards Pointing Out Differences," 9/26/07>

Newsweek's Howard Fineman: "Edwards Then Hits It out of the Park," "Wins the Round" on Social Security. "Edwards then hits it out of the park, talking about a 'protective zone' of income between $97,500 and $200,000. His proposals sounded carefully thought through—whether you agree with it or not—and was much more specific than what Obama had to say on the topic. Hillary is talking too much about what her 'husband' did; she isn't being specific enough—Edwards wins the round." < http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/thegaggle/archive/2007/09/26/fineman-debate-live-blog.aspx , 9/26/07>


NBC's Athena Jones: Edwards Gets a "Whoop" for Promising to End Health Insurance for Congress if No Universal Health Care. "A whoop here for Edwards' promise to cut off health insurance coverage for members of Congress if they don't pass health care by July 2009." <http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/09/26/381762.aspx, "Edwards health care reaction," 9/26/07>

ABC's Rick Klein: "Edwards Is the First to Draw Real Distinctions About" on Iraq. "9:07 pm: I'm ready to give the Big Three credit for intellectual honesty by saying troops will have to remain in Iraq for some years. But John Edwards is the first to draw real distinctions about what to do going forward. This won't be the last time he finds a way to set himself apart." < http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/09/live-blogging-d.html , 9/26/07>

NBC's Domenico Montanaro: "Edwards Is Pressing the Distinctions with Clinton." "Edwards is pressing the distinctions with Clinton. He said they had learned different things on their war vote and said this Iran vote was indicative of that. Will it matter? Edwards clearly wants to put her on the defensive. So far, he's the only one." <http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/09/26/381710.aspx , "Edwards Pressing," 9/26/07>

NBC's Chuck Todd: "Edwards Seems on His Game Tonight." "It's VERY early but Edwards seems on his game tonight." <http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/09/26/381655.aspx , "Edwards Came To Debate With A Plan?" 9/26/07>

ABC's Rick Klein: "I'd Give Edwards a Slight Edge in Making His Points and Making Them Solidly." 10:05 pm: "But I'd give Edwards a slight edge in making his points and making them solidly." < http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/09/live-blogging-d.html, 9/26/07>

ABC's Rick Klein: Edwards "Distinguished" Himself. "9:33 pm: One-fourth of the way in, Edwards and Richardson have distinguished themselves. If people were looking for a new, more aggressive Obama tonight, it doesn't look like they're going to get it." < http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/09/live-blogging-d.html , 9/26/07>

Chris Matthew Said Edwards Came with a "Clear Strategy" to Differentiate Himself from Hillary Clinton. Chris Matthews said, "Senator John Edwards was one who came out with a clear strategy to differentiate himself from Hillary Clinton on the issue of combat troops in Iraq and U.S. military action potentially against Iran."
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 11:19 PM
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1. What Edwards did tonite - was to stand up to Hillary.
The buzz before the debate that Obama was going to do it.
Edwards did it instead.

I agree - he had a great nite.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 10:27 AM
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20. Give Obama a break. Reid told him the debate was going to start at 10
so he was caught off guard. Plus, he had Whooping Cough and Michelle mixed up his favorite socks.
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jmp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 11:23 PM
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2. My favorite Edwards moment ...
Was when he stood up for himself when questioned about the hedge fund and the haircut silliness. He finally showed that he has a spine ... and it's not his wife's. :)


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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 03:11 AM
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12. Can you provide details?
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 02:20 PM
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23. Russert tried to take him to task on the haircut, house, and hedgefund stuff
And Edwards hit back on the house and haircut by saying that he earned all the money he made, he came from nothing, he does not regret either of those because he earned it as opposed to being given his money and worked hard for it. On the hedge fund thing he pointed out that after Katrina he in fact went in and raised money for those who were really suffering. He gave Russert nothing to grab him on and took from him everything he tried to stick him with.
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Think82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 11:24 PM
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3. except Biden had the most intelligent criticism
of Hil. and the most honest. But he's not a "frontrunner" so he was barely mentioned in the post-debate talk.
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jmp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 11:26 PM
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4. He has a larger mountain to climb ...
But I though he was next best after Edwards tonight.

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Think82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 03:16 AM
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14. Biden's Iraq bill got passed today
that is huge. A turning point. Just watch.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 11:27 PM
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5. Copied from John Edwards's blog.
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AmBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 11:35 PM
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8. And fully linked and referenced....
Sorry, but this was an undeniable win tonight. Even the DU poll has Edwards the winner.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3553110
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 05:24 AM
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16. so your point is Edward's blogger made this up?? Why does it matter where it came from?
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 11:30 PM
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6. My 3rd Post About This... Todd & "Stretch" Said In Closing That D.C.
and the "powers that be" HATE Edwards and he could win Iowa AND NH, and he still won't get the nod! They wouldn't name names, but they KNOW!

What irks me the most is they praise him, say he the most populist of the bunch, then add that he can't win because "THEY" don't want him in the WH!

This really, really stinks... Our own Democratic leaders have the "fix" in and apparently "our" votes won't count! How they do this stuff I don't know, but I know it gets done!

Hillary is so like The Idiot saying, I won't answer that question and they say she's so far ahead that she doesn't "have" to! What a load of CRAP!!

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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 03:13 AM
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13. That sounds like a George Bush strategy.
"Hillary is so like The Idiot saying, I won't answer that question and they say she's so far ahead that she doesn't "have" to!"


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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 02:21 PM
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24. I hated that too
Although I think if they try it will blow up in their collective faces for attempting to override the will of the people and the voters.
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 11:34 PM
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7. I agree. John Edwards, Joe Biden and Chris Dodd all had good nights.
Hillary wasn't terrible, just not as good as usual. I have to say I am disappointed in her vote today and I didn't like her dodging tonight. Will see how this pans out.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 11:52 PM
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9. Tonite it was really obvious how she wouldn't answer a question.
Even the Yankees v Cubs question.

Being honest, all of this time she has been my #2. I kept telling myself that if Biden never breaks out, that I would have no problem voting for her. But this week it's been one thing after another. The 2 fundraising scandals, the vote, not answering a question. You're right. Will have to see how it pans out. I'm sure she will bounce back.
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Turner Ashby Donating Member (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:25 AM
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10. Her Iran vote should knock her out of the running.
The old Star Trek quote: Fool me once, shame on you; Fool me twice, shame on me. She votes to incrementally give GWB power AGAIN? Some experience she has. Biden and Dodd voted against.

Finally, Edwards is showing why he was a great trial lawyer, and taking the fight to her.
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 02:23 PM
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25. Honestly I think the two big dodges will hurt her
That and how the Lieberman-Kyl Amendment was brought up and hammered on, I think those three things will come back to haunt her in very short order.
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:33 AM
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11. The MSNBC poll has Obama as winning. Tweety gushed over Richardson. And...
most of the other pundits thought Edwards won it (because he had not been winning much before this). Buchanan thought Hillary won, but only because she was so far ahead of the others to begin with, that it would have taken a big screwup for her not to win...and she didn't make a big screwup.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 03:16 AM
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15. Buchanan's reasoning sounds old school.
Reinforce the status quo. Hillary's lead is nothing more than name recognition. I agree she's a great candidate, but in the end, her lead is due to name recognition
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 02:25 PM
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26. That's not enough to sustain a campaign
And while name recognition is good on a national level, it isn't helping her much on the ground in the early primary states.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 05:35 AM
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17. Too bad Edwards is unelectable.
Edited on Thu Sep-27-07 05:36 AM by Perry Logan
Let's face it: Edwards would energize the Republican base, and we'd get slaughtered.
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AmBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 10:21 AM
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18. Wrong, wrong, wrong.....
Edwards would slaughter THEM and they know it. Mainly because as the nominee he would finally get the MEDIA attention he deserves. The beltway is scared to death of Edwards because he would ROCK THEIR WORLD and they know it. I think corporate-run media is under strict orders to NOT give Edwards the spotlight and suppress news about him as much as possible. That's why all you hear is HRC, Obama, HRC, Obama, HRC, Obama.....

Case in point: This morning on NPR they were giving analysis of the debate and they mentioned NOT ONE WORD ABOUT EDWARDS!! How obvious is that? They mentioned that Obama challenged HRC. It didn't even sound like they were talking about the same debate I watched. They are obviously suppressing Edwards and once he's the nominee they won't be able to do that anymore.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 10:25 AM
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19. NPR=Corporate run media? nt
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 02:12 PM
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21. They ARE Now! I Personally Got To Tour NPR When I Visited D.C.
in 2005 and asked the question as to why they changed so much. One responder told me that they had new owners and their agenda HAS changed. There are still some there who are Liberal, but many who ARE NOT!
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 02:16 PM
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22. I TOTALLY Agree With You... AND It Was Said Last Night Too!
D.C. hates Edwards and THEY won't let it happen. I'm not re-writing this again, but at the end of the round-up of who did what, that statement was made.

And today MSNBC said that Hillary didn't lose and held her own even IF it wasn't her best performance. When asked who they thought won, the answer was, they weren't sure! Even their OWN poll last night gave the nod to Edwards!

This kind of stuff just makes it more and more difficult for me to even consider Hillary EVER!

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bagimin Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 09:47 PM
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28. Sounds to me like Perry is being a bit
SARCASTIC.
But I could be wrong.
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 02:26 PM
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27. How would he do that?
He doesn't have HRC's 40% negatives.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 09:57 PM
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29. Hey, if the reviews don't say Clinton "won", I say go for it
I thought Edwards did well...Biden and Dodd also, yes even Obama if you were paying attention... Richardson and Kucinich, not so much and Gravel was amusingly sad... Clinton (I don't call her Hillary) chuckled and dodged and took a few incoming that she couldn't dance out of.

What was the viewership numbers?
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