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Semper_FiFi Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 01:46 AM
Original message
HRC "was informed, concise and under control at all times."
Edited on Thu Sep-27-07 01:48 AM by Semper_FiFi
At least according to Chris Cillizza from WashingtonPost.com (he called her one of the winners of last night's debate).

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2007/04/democratic_presidential_debate.html

Check out some of the other reviews:

MSNBC POLITICAL ANALYST PAT BUCHANAN - 'HILLARY WON TONIGHT'

NBC NEWS' CHUCK TODD - HILLARY 'CONTINUES TO SHOW COMMAND. IN CHARGE OF THIS CAMPAIGN': "She continues to show command on the stage; it's subtle things but there's no doubting who's in charge of this campaign right now, it's Hillary Clinton."

ABC NEWS' RICK KLEIN - HILLARY WAS AT A 'HIGHER LEVEL THAN HER RIVALS': "And, of course, Clinton is again playing at a higher level than her rivals."

ATLANTIC'S MARC AMBINDER - 'THOROUGH AND CAREFUL, CAME OFF AS INTELLIGENT AND PRUDENT': "Clinton was solid.She was thorough and careful, came off as intelligent and prudent, and really didn't take a nick tonight. She did unleash the night's best jab, and she displayed a genuine sense of humor, one that the audience seemed to appreciate and acknowledge."

NBC NEWS' DOMENICO MONTARO - HILLARY SOUNDED 'PRESIDENTIAL': "Clinton sounded her best tonight. her talking about a president's role sounded presidential."

ABC NEWS' JAKE TAPPER: 'NO ONE HAS REALLY LAID A GLOVE ON CLINTON'

AMERICAN PROSPECT'S DANA GOLDSTEIN - 'HILLARY CLEAREST, MOST CONCISE ON IMMIGRATION': "Hillary clearest, most concise on Immigration. No, she says local police shouldn't be made to enforce federal immigration policy: 'It's not their job.'"

NEW YORK TIMES' KATHARINE SEELYE - HILLARY 'CONTROLLED THE QUESTIONING': "Wow. Quick arms race between Mr. Russert and Mrs. Clinton over what she said was a hypothetical question - whether Israel would be justified in launching an attack against Iran if it felt its security was threatened. She controlled the questioning."
Those excerpts are from

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/blog/

As for me, I am undecided about my future vote, but I think HRC would make a great President.
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Steve_in_California Donating Member (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 01:48 AM
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1. Hillary's star is on the decline.
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Semper_FiFi Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 01:50 AM
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3. Really? According to whom?
Do you have a reference? Or is that just your "humble" opinion?
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 01:57 AM
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15. How about these people?
The Reviews are In - Edwards broke away as Clinton's main challenger at the debate tonight
Edited on Thu Sep-27-07 04:32 AM by jsamuel
http://blog.johnedwards.com/story/2007/9/26/23634/6247

Check out what some others are saying...

Salon.com’s Joan Walsh Said Edwards “Made a Strong Impression” and Named Edwards the Winner of the Debate. Chris Matthews posed the question, “Who won tonight’s debate?” and Salon.com’s Walsh responded, “I think Edwards made a strong impression and I think he pushed her back, he brushed her back a little bit. So I would go with Edwards.”

NBC's Chuck Todd: “Edwards Stood Out to Me,” “It Was One of His Better Performances.” “Of the candidates chasing Clinton, Edwards stood out to me. He seemed to realize he needed to prove contrast with Clinton on just about every answer he gave. It was one of his better performances. The guy is getting his William Jennings Bryan schtick down pat.”

Newsweek’s Howard Fineman: “Edwards Has Emerged So Far the Most Forceful Challenger To” Clinton. “From where I sit, Edwards has emerged so far the most forceful challenger to her (other than Tim Russert).”

Marc Ambinder: “Victory for JRE” “Edwards Was Straightforward, Confident, Clear.” Edwards was Edwards on Centrum Silver: straightforward, confident, clear, knowledgeable, thoroughly encased in his own frame. Ying to the yang of both Obama and Clinton; If you’re new to nomination politics, then you’d think Edwards – and not Obama – was Hillary Clinton’s main foil. The war. Social Security. Health care. Campaign ethics. Clinton didn't take the punch, but she did move to dodge them, which is a victory for JRE.

ABC’s Rick Klein: “Edwards May Have Done Himself the Most Good Tonight.” “11:02 pm: Quick thoughts -- Hillary Clinton benefits whenever no one else distinguishes himself, and Edwards may have done himself the most good tonight. Obama squeezed in one good line, but I don't see that as enough for the evening.”

NBC's Domenico Montanaro: Edwards Was “More Presidential” and “Looked Poised.” “Edwards looked poised in following up on his answer. Not angry or frustrated as we've seen him before, more presidential.”

Newsweek’s Howard Fineman: “Edwards Then Hits It out of the Park,” “Wins the Round” on Social Security. “Edwards then hits it out of the park, talking about a ‘protective zone’ of income between $97,500 and $200,000. His proposals sounded carefully thought through—whether you agree with it or not—and was much more specific than what Obama had to say on the topic. Hillary is talking too much about what her ‘husband’ did; she isn't being specific enough—Edwards wins the round.”

NBC’s Athena Jones: Edwards Gets a “Whoop” for Promising to End Health Insurance for Congress if No Universal Health Care. “A whoop here for Edwards' promise to cut off health insurance coverage for members of Congress if they don't pass health care by July 2009.”

ABC’s Rick Klein: “Edwards Is the First to Draw Real Distinctions About” on “9:07 pm: I'm ready to give the Big Three credit for intellectual honesty by saying troops will have to remain in Iraq for some years. But John Edwards is the first to draw real distinctions about what to do going forward. This won't be the last time he finds a way to set himself apart.”

NBC's Domenico Montanaro: “Edwards Is Pressing the Distinctions with Clinton.” “Edwards is pressing the distinctions with Clinton. He said they had learned different things on their war vote and said this Iran vote was indicative of that. Will it matter? Edwards clearly wants to put her on the defensive. So far, he's the only one.”

NBC’s Chuck Todd: “Edwards Seems on His Game Tonight.” “It's VERY early but Edwards seems on his game tonight.”

ABC’s Rick Klein: “I'd Give Edwards a Slight Edge in Making His Points and Making Them Solidly.”10:05 pm: “But I'd give Edwards a slight edge in making his points and making them solidly.”

ABC’s Rick Klein: Edwards “Distinguished” Himself. “9:33 pm: One-fourth of the way in, Edwards and Richardson have distinguished themselves. If people were looking for a new, more aggressive Obama tonight, it doesn't look like they're going to get it.”

Chris Matthew Said Edwards Came with a “Clear Strategy” to Differentiate Himself from Hillary Clinton. Chris Matthews said, “Senator John Edwards was one who came out with a clear strategy to differentiate himself from Hillary Clinton on the issue of combat troops in Iraq and U.S. military action potentially against Iran.”




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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 01:50 AM
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2. Were they watching the debate on msnbc?
Cuz the Hillary I saw tonite didn't answer any questions.
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Semper_FiFi Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 01:51 AM
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5. I suppose it is possible you may have been watching a different debate?
:shrug:
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 01:51 AM
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8. Yeah, that's possible.
:eyes:
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Semper_FiFi Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 01:56 AM
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13. According to pirhana HRC didn't answer "any questions"
What can one surmise from that? I assume that pirhana believes Hillary to be mute.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 01:59 AM
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18. It would be more RATIONAL to surmise that you are being deliberately obtuse.
You don't REALLY "assume" that. You know perfectly well what he meant.
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Semper_FiFi Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 02:13 AM
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25. I've learned not to assume anything here on DU.
That is why I posed the question. Do you have difficulty understanding that? Obtuse?


If that isn't the pot calling the kettle beige?
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 02:19 AM
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27. And yet you clearly stated that you ASSUMED something about piranha's meaning.
Edited on Thu Sep-27-07 02:20 AM by dicksteele
YOU said so- your words, not mine.

You seem to be having some difficulty keeping your story straight.
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Semper_FiFi Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 02:29 AM
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32. I stand corrected. Pirhana wrote that HRC didn't "answer any questions".
Edited on Thu Sep-27-07 02:30 AM by Semper_FiFi
Hillary was either mute or silent. What else could you read from that?

Besides, I didn't 'say' anything. I wrote a post. Posts don't speak they are read.

Perhaps you could get that straight?:hi:
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 02:35 AM
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34. What are you, 10? That post isn't worthy of intelligent response.
Edited on Thu Sep-27-07 02:35 AM by dicksteele
And I'll not dignify it with one. You'll have
to find someone else to "play dumb" with.

Good day. :hi:
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Semper_FiFi Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 02:46 AM
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37. LOL
:rofl:
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Moderate Dem Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 02:04 PM
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45. Russert spent a lot of time trying to get the candidates to commit to the left's agenda.
Hillary refused. That's why she can win the general election.
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 01:50 AM
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4. No one laid a glove on her?
More like Edwards then Biden made her duck a little two quick, and refusing to answer on two questions might tickle the pundits but not the viewers.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 01:51 AM
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6. Clearly, the fix is in. nm
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 01:51 AM
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7. What a crock.Hillary was called out by almost every candidate and Tim Russert.
Edited on Thu Sep-27-07 02:32 AM by saracat
She did NOT do well ,said nothing memorable and appeared angry.She has indded won several Debates but not this one.She was really discombobulated when she was informed the torture hypothtical was from Bill.She was very flustered. I think this was a tossup between Edwards and Biden.
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 01:53 AM
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12. I'm with you there
I told my sister she came across as a bitch (watch, the HRC squad will flip over that) then said the precise things like talking over and butting in on other candidates, fighting with the moderator, and not answering two important questions as well as laughing off questions she didn't want to answer and she said, "yeah that does sound like a bitch." She didn't come across to me as presidential, she came across as entitled.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 01:59 AM
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17. Yup. Entitled is a good word.She seemed "annoyed "at being pressed for answers.
She acts as though the primary is supposed to just be a formality!
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 02:06 AM
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23. As a woman I'll "flip" over that.
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 01:58 PM
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42. If the shoe fits
I don't believe in softening the blow if the blow is well-deserved, and in my opinion she acted like one, so she deserves to be called one. Acting like she shouldn't really need to do this and has no need to answer some questions as well as like she can do what she wants when she wants is pretty close to some really nasty girls I knew in HS as far as behavior goes, and we called them bitches then because it fit, so I think if the shoe fits here then so be it.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 02:43 PM
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46. I bet you were a nasty little boy in H.S.
That term is derogatory to all women. imho.
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 04:21 PM
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47. Again, if the shoe fits
And in all honesty I prefer to say something that hits and is accurate as opposed to dancing around a bit. If she was a guy and did the same thing I would probably call her a bastard for how she acted, because either way how she is quite uncalled for.

Incidentally, nice try at shifting the discussion to one word I said from how she was in the debate.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 01:52 AM
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9. Why even bother with the primaries anymore?
Just give her the nomination and let's get this show on the road.

:sarcasm:
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Clovis Sangrail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 01:52 AM
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10. meh
The "hypothetical" was a dodge and Russert should have called her on it.

"You support what was done in Syria, and would support doing it again, but changing Syria to Iran makes it a hypothetical that can't be answered???"


Depending on how close it is I'll likely hold my nose and vote for whoever the Dem candidate is.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 01:53 AM
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11. Humor? They mean that cackle??
She was awful tonight but it's good to see which ones in the media will spin for her no matter what happens.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 01:56 AM
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14. ohhhhhh that cackle!
save me from that cackle.
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Semper_FiFi Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 02:00 AM
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19. Yes, god forbid YOU be exposed to a woman's laughter.
Jeesh!:eyes:
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 01:59 PM
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43. It's not that its a woman that makes it a cackle for me
Its that she did it whenever hit with a tough question and sounded like she was trying to avoid answering it by laughing at it. I personally think that more than a bit rude.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 02:01 AM
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20. Hey, Biden's health plan
I'm not finding a component that applies to everybody. I see plans for costs, business, increase of workers, help for kids and families - but nothing for singles and pre-Medicare people. I like Dodd's plan, I wish we could merge them.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 02:28 AM
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31. The official one is not out yet.
Guess he has been too busy with Iraq, or healthcare is not one of his strong points.
All I know is that he is going to include alot of perks for nurses - to deal with the nursing shortage.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 03:25 AM
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38. Here's what I found
It does have lots in it for nurses. I don't know if he's got something else coming or not. It's not a bad plan if he doesn't intend to provide some sort of health access to everybody. I'd prefer this kind of honesty to mandates and tax credits.

http://www.joebiden.com/issues?id=0003
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 01:32 PM
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41. he will do more - but Biden's biggest argument about everybody's plan
is what good is a plan if you do not have the ability to sell it.

totally paraphrasing here -
Right now the Repugs are totally against it, they are calling it socialism. So you are going to need someone that is first going to be able to convince them why it is needed before anybody is going to get anything done.

I couldn't agree with him more. The Dems have a big fight ahead of them on this. And as he said in the debate last nite, even tho it's unfair - Hillary already has baggage on this one.
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Semper_FiFi Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 01:58 AM
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16. "cackle"?
what "cackle"?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 02:02 AM
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21. When she's hit with a hard shot
She cackles. Like a boxer who smiles when he's really hurt - except Hillary sucks at it.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 02:04 AM
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22. Must be so nice to be perfect.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 02:13 AM
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24. I'm not running for President
I'm criticizing someone who is. Why don't you try that for a change, instead of just attacking DUers.
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Semper_FiFi Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 02:16 AM
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26. Criticizing?
Poking "fun" at the way someone laughs? That is "fun" for you? How brave of you.:eyes:
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 02:25 AM
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30. It's a campaign tactic
and deserves to be criticized. Do you want her cackling that way as the nominee???
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 02:34 AM
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33. Picking on the way someone laughs? Jesus - give us a break.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 02:37 AM
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36. I see nothing wrong with her laugh.But I dislike her use of it to avoid questions
or to minimize the importance of a question.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 03:27 AM
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39. Insulting people by cackling in their face?
You can be delighted by it if you want, it will destroy her next year if she doesn't knock it off.
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 02:00 PM
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44. Its what she laughs at
Edited on Thu Sep-27-07 02:01 PM by knight_of_the_star
What she was doing was about as appropriate as a kid laughing at some bum asking for change. I bet you that if you did the same thing when your boss asked you a tough, serious question about something you would be reprimanded at the least and given a pink slip if you made it a regular habit for continued lack of respect and seriousness.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 02:22 AM
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29. With all that, Hillary is still a serious presidential candidate.
Why? BECAUSE she has learned to duck and dodge. The stress must be unbelievable. What unguarded nanosecond will be seized upon to destroy her?

Why raise so much money? Because she knew from the outset that this was not going to be an even playing field, and don't anybody here dare to pretend you don't know why.
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Semper_FiFi Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 02:20 AM
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28. Good-Night all.
I am not avoiding my replies to your posts (if any). I will be back in the A.M.

Night-y Noodles:boring:
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 02:37 AM
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35. a "great president" if you like wishy-washy forked-tongue warmongers
who never stick their necks out or take a courageous, definite stand on anything until they've tested the wind. HRC is nothing but a tool and a water carrier for corporate interests. you can't see that? if you like things the way they are now, vote for HRC, because absolutely NOTHING will change under her.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 03:56 AM
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40. Need some recommends on this thread because facts are a DUers best friend.
:kick:
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