Even with the deck stacked against her in the debate, they couldn't tear her down.

[William769]

Russert with his gottcha's couldn't even do it, he even resorted to lying about Bill Clinton.

And before you try shilling for Russert here, beaware I have the transcripts from the interview with Russert & President Bill Clinton.

[babylonsister]

1. That's not what I've been reading, and Gravel did a fine job of it

all by himself.

[durrrty libby]

19. I doubt we'll see Gravel at any future debates. His ...I proudly stuck

it to the credit card co. line sealed his coffin

[babylonsister]

21. I don't think he cares. He had no expectations of being the Dem.

candidate, he just had a few points to make, and he did that.

[Dawgs]

2. Did you watch the debate?

[William769]

3. Yes I did.

And I see no one is bothering to touch the fact that Russert flat out lied.

[Vinca]

4. I didn't watch. What was the lie? nt

[William769]

7. What Bill Clinton was suppose to have said about torture.

[MannyGoldstein]

9. Bill Clinton, Who Started "Extraordinary Rendition"?

What did Russert say regarding the first president to outsource torture?

[Vinca]

10. What was he supposed to have said and how did Hillary respond? nt

[MannyGoldstein]

15. It Must Be The Lie So Terrible He Dare Not Even Utter It

And Maxfield Parrish's work is awesome.

[William769]

22. This was the question asked

“Imagine the following scenario. We get lucky. We get the number three guy in Al Qaida. We know there’s a big bomb going off in America in three days and we know this guy knows where it is. Don’t we have the right and responsibility to beat it out of him? You could set up a law where the president could make a finding or could guarantee a pardon.”


Here is the transcript.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14907031/

[Dawgs]

5. Who the fuck cares about Russert?

[roguevalley]

42. I'm sick of the entire process and everyone in it. I like everyone

running much less than when it started. I am sick of them all.

[MannyGoldstein]

6. He Seems To Have His Own TV In His Head

Probably watches "Cop Rock" 24/7 when he's not watching Mrs. Clinton's coronation.

[Richard Steele]

11. And it's not exactly a "high definition" model. nm

[Richard Steele]

8. We all know she could have screamed and flung poo, and YOU'd still be here saying she won.

[babylonsister]

13. LOL! Now THAT would have been more entertaining! nt

[Maribelle]

20. He didn't say she won. It seems you've missed the message.

I think Edwards won last night.

But I firmly believe Russert should be banned from all Democratic debates in the future. It wasn't just the trick questions he asked last night, it was his nasty demeanor.

The man was so nasty, disinfecting wipes would have an extremely difficult time removing the stains Russert left on his chair.

[William769]

23. It's right there on what I said.

Now who's the one slinging poo? :rofl:

[durrrty libby]

24. Many here are highly prejudised against her are incapable

of making any type of unbiased judgment.


However, many sources agree with William. Hillary did just fine.

from another thread
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3554014



MSNBC POLITICAL ANALYST PAT BUCHANAN - 'HILLARY WON TONIGHT'

NBC NEWS' CHUCK TODD - HILLARY 'CONTINUES TO SHOW COMMAND. IN CHARGE OF THIS CAMPAIGN': "She continues to show command on the stage; it's subtle things but there's no doubting who's in charge of this campaign right now, it's Hillary Clinton."

ABC NEWS' RICK KLEIN - HILLARY WAS AT A 'HIGHER LEVEL THAN HER RIVALS': "And, of course, Clinton is again playing at a higher level than her rivals."

ATLANTIC'S MARC AMBINDER - 'THOROUGH AND CAREFUL, CAME OFF AS INTELLIGENT AND PRUDENT': "Clinton was solid.She was thorough and careful, came off as intelligent and prudent, and really didn't take a nick tonight. She did unleash the night's best jab, and she displayed a genuine sense of humor, one that the audience seemed to appreciate and acknowledge."

NBC NEWS' DOMENICO MONTARO - HILLARY SOUNDED 'PRESIDENTIAL': "Clinton sounded her best tonight. her talking about a president's role sounded presidential."

ABC NEWS' JAKE TAPPER: 'NO ONE HAS REALLY LAID A GLOVE ON CLINTON'

AMERICAN PROSPECT'S DANA GOLDSTEIN - 'HILLARY CLEAREST, MOST CONCISE ON IMMIGRATION': "Hillary clearest, most concise on Immigration. No, she says local police shouldn't be made to enforce federal immigration policy: 'It's not their job.'"

NEW YORK TIMES' KATHARINE SEELYE - HILLARY 'CONTROLLED THE QUESTIONING': "Wow. Quick arms race between Mr. Russert and Mrs. Clinton over what she said was a hypothetical question - whether Israel would be justified in launching an attack against Iran if it felt its security was threatened. She controlled the questioning.

[Maribelle]

27. Hillary did excellent.

Russert was goading her. Perhaps goading is too mild a term.

[niceypoo]

31. The problem I had with the show after the debate was that everything was framed in terms of Hillary

Obviously the press is obsessed with her and has already chosen her as the candidate, which is disturbing (that isn't the presses job, that is our job). Having said that I thought she did a pretty good job of not folding to the, KKKarl Rove style, bait questions from Russert.

[durrrty libby]

38. Everything was framed around Hillary because she is the front runner

Much of the debate was the same way. Nothing fair about politics

[Ignis]

41. Don't you get it?

She won precisely because she didn't resort to flinging poo! It is the burden of anti-HRC posters to PROVE that she has ever pooed at all! If you claim HRC has ever screamed, the terrorists have already won! Why do you hate 'Murica?!

:sarcasm:

[Richard Steele]

43. Yup- that's EXACTLY what I "get" from the today's HillBotTalkingPoints. nm

[reality based]

12. Can you elaborate on the Russert lie about Bill Clinton? I presume we're talking about

his claim that Bill's view on his tortuous torture hypo was different from Hillary's? I thought the debate showed Russert at his worst. I was amused that the only person who came close to using as much airtime as he did was Hillary. Why do these prima donna media "news" types think it's always about them?

[rucky]

14. Is that the morning narrative?

The smug avoidance of any potentially uncomfortable question is an interesting strategy, but I don't think it will win anyone over who's not already a supporter.

To quote John Bender: "Just answer the question, Claire"

[Maribelle]

16. Democrats should unite on this and ban Russert from any more debates.

Is Russert proud of his widdle deceptive, dishonest, and misleading tricks today? He clearly attempted to abuse Mrs. Clinton by that total distortion of what President Clinton actually said in the interview. And Russert conveniently forgot the very important statement Bill used to qualify the dialog in its entirety:

to claim in advance the right to do this whenever someone takes a notion to engage in conduct that plainly violates the Geneva Convention, that, I think, is a mistake

So you see Mr. Russert - -- President Clinton told you ahead of time the EXACT essence of what Mrs. Clinton told you last night. Mr. Russert, you should be totally banned from all things Democratic.

But this is nothing new with Russert. In the Florida governor's debate a few years back, he clearly supported JEB and bashed the Democratic candidate, in extremely important areas such as the financial support of the voters choice to reduce the number of children in each classroom.

[JerseygirlCT]

17. Interesting... I haven't made up my mind yet, but I certainly was not

impressed with her performance last night. More eluding questions, and obfuscating her answers, it seemed to me. It's her big problem. I'd like her better if she took a few difficult stands and learned to just say things.

I thought Biden did well, myself. And Dodd. I know my senator has no chance, but he made a good showing, IMO.

[durrrty libby]

18. You are correct

The consensus is that Hillary is still the winner. She is the perceived leader. The others need to knock her down and they are not doing that. Here is a typical review




WINNERS

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.): Clinton entered the debate with high expectations and managed to meet them -- not an easy task. She was informed, concise and under control at all times. She showed her tough side when asked what she would do in the event of simultaneous terrorist attacks against two American cities -- a question Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.) initially muffed before going back to it later -- and managed to avoid any real confrontation over her refusal to apologize for her vote in favor of the use of force resolution. Clinton also got several breaks: her "elephant in the room" question was on why Republicans want to run against her next November (a hanging curveball that she belted), she was never the first candidate forced to answer one of the tougher questions (as Obama was on the terrorist attacks query), and she was given the chance to rebut several comments made by other candidates that seemed far from direct attacks on her. While Clinton didn't determine the format of the debate, she definitely benefited from it.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2007/04/democratic_presidential_debate.html

[Evergreen Emerald]

25. Russert did not let her respond to the attacks from fellow dems

It was stacked against her.

[Maribelle]

26. Russert did not moderate. Russert was making war against the Democrats.

Russert appears to want a statute of himself leading a wingnut hate-campaign charge, at perhaps the Baby Bush library.

He should be banned from any future Debates the Democratic candidates participate in.

[niceypoo]

29. His questions seemed to be written by Karl Rove

Gay sex and five year olds? He used the plot to the TV show, '24,' as a question, "if a terrorist knew where a nuke was and you had three days before it blew up an american city would you torture him?" What the fuck kind of questions are that? Utter BS.

[Apollo11]

28. I'm no fan of Russert, but he did not lie about Bill Clinton.

If you read the transcript from MTP of one year ago, it's clear that Bill Clinton was saying that torture is wrong, but there might be certain circumstances in which you would have to make an exception.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14907031/

Having said that - I agree Hillary handled the situation well.

[Maribelle]

30. President Clinton stated clearly that to claim in advance the right to do this ... is a mistake

It appears Russert is too dumb to understand what President Clinton meant by this.

[niceypoo]

32. Bill Clinton is not running.

[William769]

33. And Hillary made that point very clear, so whats your point?

Tim brought it up not Hillary.

[Maribelle]

37. And did Russert try to trip up other candidates with their spouses views?

I think it might be argued the cable lady might have with the textbook bash against Edwards.

[Apollo11]

34. Maybe I am also too dumb to understand?

What Bill Clinton said on Meet The Press last year:

"I think, you know, if that circumstance comes up — we all know what we’d do to keep our country from going through another 9/11 if we could. But to claim in advance the right to do this whenever someone takes a notion to engage in conduct that plainly violates the Geneva Convention, that, I think, is a mistake."

So in other words: Torture should be the exception, not the rule.

But he did NOT say it is NEVER acceptable to torture someone.

[Maribelle]

35. You are pulling what he said out of context, exactly as Russert did.

Clinton fully qualified his response to the question in his final statement, which illuminates his true feelings on the torture legislation:

So I, I don’t think that hard case justifies the sweeping authority for waterboarding and all the other stuff that, that was sought in this legislation. And I think, you know, if that circumstance comes up—we all know what we’d do to keep our country from going through another 9/11 if we could. But to—but to claim in advance the right to do this whenever someone takes a notion to engage in conduct that plainly violates the Geneva Convention, that, I think, is a mistake.


Perhaps you could tell us all which part of the final paragraph Russert could not grasp.

[themaguffin]

36. Oh give it a rest, there's no gotcha, only her not answering the fucking questions

Jesus, please stop this bullshit.

[xiamiam]

39. ditto...nt

[rhett o rick]

40. When asked if she would eliminate the inequitable cap to income subject

to social security taxes, she refused to answer. As you know the cap protects the wealthy from paying their fair share of social security taxes. With the social security system in trouble, HRC will not commit to eliminating this inequity. Why should we give any support to this friend of rich, corporate America?