Hillary Clinton And American Voters Lied To By Tim Russert

[Tellurian]

Tim Russert appears to have lied or at the very least engaged in deception at last night’s Democratic debate. Russert’s target, along with the seven other men on the stage, was Hillary Clinton.

Russert tried to mug Hillary Clinton with his lie.

Russert posed a question premised on a discussion with Bill Clinton on Meet The Press last September 25, 2006. Russert kept hidden that the discussion was with Bill Clinton. Hillary objected to the Russert hypothetical as “dangerous” because it opens “a great big hole in what should be an attitude that our country and our president takes toward the appropriate treatment of everyone”. Russert then, trap baited, went in for the “gotcha” kill.

Russert finally disclosed that “The guest who laid out this scenario for me with that proposed solution was William Jefferson Clinton last year. So he disagrees with you.”

Here is the transcript of Russert’s “gotcha” question.

Did Russert lie to Hillary on national television? Does Bill Clinton in fact disagree with Hillary? Is torture William Jefferson Clinton’s “proposed solution to the hypothetical” scenario?

The Bill Clinton appearance on Meet The Press - September 25, 2006 - full relevant excerpts:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14907031/

Hillary fought off her mugger, Tim Russert, and remains the "TOP DOG" in the Debate series!

REVIEWS:

Great Hillary Reviews:

MSNBC POLITICAL ANALYST PAT BUCHANAN — ‘HILLARY WON TONIGHT’

NBC NEWS’ CHUCK TODD — HILLARY ‘CONTINUES TO SHOW COMMAND… IN CHARGE OF THIS CAMPAIGN’: “She continues to show command on the stage; it’s subtle things but there’s no doubting who’s in charge of this campaign right now, it’s Hillary Clinton.”

ABC NEWS’ RICK KLEIN — HILLARY WAS AT A ‘HIGHER LEVEL THAN HER RIVALS’: “And, of course, Clinton is again playing at a higher level than her rivals.”

ATLANTIC’S MARC AMBINDER — ‘THOROUGH AND CAREFUL, CAME OFF AS INTELLIGENT AND PRUDENT’: “Clinton was solid…She was thorough and careful, came off as intelligent and prudent, and really didn’t take a nick tonight. She did unleash the night’s best jab, and she displayed a genuine sense of humor, one that the audience seemed to appreciate and acknowledge.”

NBC NEWS’ DOMENICO MONTARO — HILLARY SOUNDED ‘PRESIDENTIAL’: “Clinton sounded her best tonight… her talking about a president’s role sounded presidential.”

ABC NEWS’ JAKE TAPPER — ‘NO ONE HAS REALLY LAID A GLOVE ON CLINTON’

AMERICAN PROSPECT’S DANA GOLDSTEIN — ‘HILLARY CLEAREST, MOST CONCISE ON IMMIGRATION’: “Hillary clearest, most concise on Immigration. No, she says local police shouldn’t be made to enforce federal immigration policy: ‘It’s not their job.’”

NEW YORK TIMES’ KATHARINE SEELYE — HILLARY ‘CONTROLLED THE QUESTIONING’: “Wow. Quick arms race between Mr. Russert and Mrs. Clinton over what she said was a hypothetical question — whether Israel would be justified in launching an attack against Iran if it felt its security was threatened. She controlled the questioning…”

... as a staunch supporter of Sen Clinton, she did us proud *again* last night. Hillary once again demonstrated her presidential leadership qualities. No one is going to push her around as president. Not foreign leaders, Republicans and certainly not the likes of Thug-master, "little" Timmy Russert! BRAVO HILLARY!

[MannyGoldstein]

1. Mrs. Clinton Is Already On The Record As Favoring Torture

And her husband pioneered the use of outsourced torture (extraordinary rendition). Given that he was cool with executing retarded people, I suppose that this was not much of a stretch.

[Tellurian]

3. No, Manny you are confused as usual..

Here is a link to straighten out your post, as usual, as twisted as a dog's leg.

If you don't understand the difference, I'll discuss it with you.

"Torture, Necessity, and Senator Hillary Clinton"

October 13, 2006

"Andrew Sullivan asked yesterday if Hillary Clinton is back-sliding in her opposition to U.S. government-sponsored torture of suspected unlawful enemy combatants, as expressed on the Senate floor during the debate on the Military Commission Act. In an interview with the editors of the NY Daily News, Senator Clinton apparently suggested that when faced with the so-called "ticking time bomb" scenario, the use of techniques that may constitute torture would be okay -- so long as whoever is president approved them and reported their use to Congress, even secretly.

It seems to me that Senator Clinton is just voicing a version of the long-recognized Anglo-American legal principle of "necessity" -- also called the "choice of evils" defense. When faced with imminent peril, a person may use deadly force against another person to protect himself or others.

So I don't see her back-sliding at all. What I see her doing is articulating a rational, morally defensible exception for the use of otherwise unacceptable interrogation tactics in extraordinary circumstances. It's the type of exceptional standard that should have been adopted in the first place -- not the general rule that abusive interrogation tactics are acceptable in all circumstances."

http://www.isthatlegal.org/archives/2006/10/torture_necessi.html

[MannyGoldstein]

19. Thank You For Supporting My Point

That excerpt agrees with my statement.

[Ignis]

21. Well, sure ... but only if you look at the WORDS! (nt)

[Tellurian]

28. of course it does...

now drink your warm milk and take your afternoon nappy.

[Sparkly]

26. There's no direct quote there...

It's someone else saying she "apparently suggested" something. Is there a direct quote at the link or elsewhere?

[Sparkly]

27. Quote? Link? What record? nt

[William769]

2. I already posted something along the lines on this.

Even with the cards stacked against her and the moderator on a witch hunt, she came out unscathed. I have more respect for her more now than ever. If thats all they could throw at her last night the nomination is looking great for her.

I will add though, Edwards did a great job also.

[Tellurian]

5. Yes, I agree about Edwards..

In the post-debate discussion, Russert articulated Edwards was defining himself against Hillary. When in fact, Edwards defined himself against Obama. Edwards ran rings around Obama last night and defined himself as more knowledgeable of the issues.

Obama was almost invisible on stage. This was his chance *sniffles* or not to shine. He should have pulled out all the stops and make his mark leaving a strong impression of his leadership skills on the audience. Obama failed miserably. He's definitely NOT the Presidential Timber we need to steward this country out of the morass Bush has put us in..Obama is asleep at the wheel.

[Tellurian]

7. As the result of this last debate, Edwards will overtake Obama..

As of today, Hillary is ahead in the Iowa Polls..

I'll post the results.

[William769]

8. Thats how I see it also.

[Tellurian]

14. Russert was SO off base at last night's debate..

He wasn't behaving as a moderator...more like a PROSECUTOR!

[Apollo11]

4. I don't agree that Tim Russert lied

I read the relevant part of the transcript, and I think what Bill Clinton was trying to say is "Torturing prisoners is wrong. But in certain circumstances you might have to make an exception." (my words)

To be fair - I think Hillary handled the situation very well.

[Tellurian]

6. Russert lied when he said the quote he used as the question posed

on torture to Hillary was a Bill Clinton quote...

The link to the original Bill Clinton/torture interview is at the msnbc link.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14907031

[Apollo11]

9. OK, I see your point

Russert was pushing it to claim that Bill disagrees with Hillary.

But Bill did imply that in certain circumstances it might be necessary "to use extreme force because there is an imminent threat to the United States".

[Tellurian]

12. Exactly right, Apollo11 nm

[frazzled]

10. You're wrong: Bill did not say that ...

He said exactly what Hillary (and Obama and others) said last night: that you never, never make torture a policy, despite these hypothetical scenarios:

Here's what he said:

So I, I don’t think that hard case justifies the sweeping authority for waterboarding and all the other stuff that, that was sought in this legislation. And I think, you know, if that circumstance comes up—we all know what we’d do to keep our country from going through another 9/11 if we could. But to—but to claim in advance the right to do this whenever someone takes a notion to engage in conduct that plainly violates the Geneva Convention, that, I think, is a mistake.

[Tellurian]

11. We got it! Would anyone disagree on Waterboarding Russert?

[Maribelle]

15. Not if you use good water.

But I am close to a stinky swamp should the need arise, complete with alligators, snakes, and mosquito larvae.

[Tellurian]

24. You are too kind, Maribelle..

Theres a cache of blood suckers in my neighbors back yard and a few old piranhas I could donate to a good cause.

Just give me a holler, when you're ready! :hi:

[Cameron27]

22. You're right, Bill did not advocate using torture,

and he didn't say anything different than Hillary. Russert is a lying son of a bitch.

[flordehinojos]

13. tim russert ...

is a 450 lb. piece of lard throwing his weight around along with poppy's Rx" "give hillary hell."

[Tellurian]

18. I Loved it when she dug in and wouldn't fold under his attempted intimidation..

[ihelpu2see]

16. Edwards Schooled her on Iraq and Iran and Health care, enough said... nt

[Tellurian]

17. I like Edwards..at least he's trying to get his message out there..

Obama is in over his head as I've said a thousand times; he's not ready for prime time.
Edwards kicked Obama squarely in the gonads last night simply by dissing Obama's misplaced second runner status.

[Ethelk2044]

20. Hillary got herself caught up in her own mess. Tim has nothing to do with it.

[Alamom]

23. Thank you. I thought some thing was wrong with that...I agree, Hillary was the Boys Club target.

Of course, the one in front always is............

[Tellurian]

25. Of course,

that poster standing behind you is begging for a reality slap; could you help her out?

Thanks in Advance! :)