Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

NOT flame-bait, but real question - HOW do we influence a Democratic

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
T Wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 11:01 AM
Original message
NOT flame-bait, but real question - HOW do we influence a Democratic
politician to move in the progressive/liberal direction if, no matter what they do or how they vote or what they say, they continue to move backwards (right-ward) because they know they can count on our vote?

It seems to me that many here are giving up trying to influence the pols and will simply pull the big D lever (press the button) come general election time. The "base" or what some hope the base is, is being abandoned in trolling for the middle.

Which leads to the next question - what does it really mean to be a Democrat? Do we stand for liberal principles (whatever they are) or do we settle for electing D's no matter what they stand for?

A while ago I read an opinion piece (it may even have been a post here) that basically said that rather than pandering to the conservatives, it was exactly the best time to really push a liberal agenda because more Americans were getting fed up with George and his gang. That obviously is not happening. Instead, liberal ideals are being abandoned and the party powerful are running away from progress toward the reactionaries who reside in the middle-right.

I realize there are "practical" and tactical considerations that have to be taken into account because, in the end, it really is a numbers game - number of dollars and number of votes and number of D's in office.

What is the solution? Is there one?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 11:04 AM
Response to Original message
1. Well, here's how you DON'T influence them
- Refuse to comment on their failures

- Attack any and all critics

- Rail against anyone who dares challenge them for office

- Vote for them anyway

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 11:06 AM
Response to Original message
2. Money.
Lots and LOTS and LOTS of money.

If you can not out-buy the competition (ie the corporate interests) you are up a river of solid waste with insufficient means of locomotion.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 11:09 AM
Response to Reply #2
4. You said it....I've been up shit creek without a paddle...
for a long time.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
CK_John Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 11:07 AM
Response to Original message
3. I think you have to research his home rep district or his state and being
a resident of either is a big plus.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 11:11 AM
Response to Original message
5. You nailed the problem -- Unfortunately the solution may be unpleasant
Edited on Thu Sep-27-07 11:12 AM by Armstead
This is all just a fricking repeat of every damn election in recent memory.

The Democrats have a chance to actually do something positive, and push the country back towards the TRUE CENTER. But instead the party poobahs decide to ignore the opportunity, and instead shove another "pragmatic" Corporate Conservative down our throats through media saturation and political marketing.

And, all too often, the "pragmatic" choice has been a losing strategy.

The solution is either enough of a mass rebellion by grassroots Democrats to shake up this Orwellian system....or a real Third Party Movement. or an Independent Progressive Movement that makes it clear that Democrats will have to EARN votes instead of inheriting them by default.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ReadTomPaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:04 PM
Response to Reply #5
9. Agreed, the resolution to this crisis isn't going to be pleasant...
however those sitting in power have no one to blame but themselves for this state of affairs. Over the last 20-30 years, each and every avenue of effective response for the citizenry has been closed off or subverted until the only measures that will effect this situation are drastic ones.

When the time comes, you can bet your last dollar that this revolution won't be televised.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 11:13 AM
Response to Original message
6. I think the only solution is for a critical mass to start voting with their feet....
I know that is anathema to many here, but it's the only solution I see. Too many in the party leadership apparently regard big money donors and the status quo as their real constituencies, with healthy representation of their personal success too, and the voters as an afterthought that more-or-less takes care of themselves. I mean, who else are they going to vote for, anyway?

On the other hand, if another party or parties starts to siphon off significant numbers of liberal voters, the democratic party will have to take notice and start thinking about whether it wants to attract those voters back. So far it hasn't had any real motive to do that, especially with the liberal left, whom dem candidates often go out of their way to distance themselves from. If they want our votes, let them support liberal causes, and if they don't, they should stop complaining about folks who vote elsewhere.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 11:15 AM
Response to Original message
7. They're focused on reeling in disenchanted Republicans this cycle.
The people who hold the power in a negotiation are the ones most willing to walk away from the table.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ReadTomPaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 11:41 AM
Response to Original message
8. The answer is not as complicated as you think. They need to learn to fear the population again.
If government isn't taken in hand by the populace and shaped into the instrument we want it to be it takes a life of its own and shapes the populace instead. This is especially true of American politics where it's all about conflict and control. By definition, politicians must be directed, like unruly children, to do the right thing. This isn't always a dignified process, indeed it's made difficult precisely because elected officials don't like to be told what to do, despite the nature of the profession centering around implementing the will of others and listening to a constituency.

Ironically, while nearly everyone in politics seems to understand this, few outside have grasped the full implications.

Government must be tamed. People like Bush are made to be broken and digested by the body politic. He should have been nothing more than a democratic candy bar - a quick snack for better candidates on the road to the presidency. A latter day Dan Quayle. Instead, we have an imperial presidency born from a political dynasty that should have been removed from the levers of power decades ago. In a real sense, we have the government we deserve.. or perhaps more precisely, the party we deserve. One cannot sit and hope that elected officials will do what you want. They must be compelled to do as the electorate wishes. That compulsion can take many forms, from national strikes and mass protests to blockades and strategic capital expenditures but in each case the actions require those involved to be willing to accept the sacrifices and consequences that will accompany such forceful measures. The resolution to all of this isn't going to be amicable.

No one escapes the septic DC environment intact. It's the job of the people, and formerly the media, to keep that infectious influence from becoming terminal illness. If we were a country of laws instead of men, then the institutions created to safeguard our nation from these abuses would be more powerful than those who would wish to corrupt it. Sadly, this is not the case. We are decidedly a government of men, as the Bush presidency proves beyond any shadow of a doubt. In light of this, the duty falls upon us to to effect the changes we wish to see by whatever methods are appropriate and effective, even when others may find them distasteful.

It’s said most great American literature revolves around what it means to be an America in one way or another. This preoccupation seems curious at first, but in actuality it illuminates a central paradox of our national character. The U.S. is not designed around rigid precepts that break when pressured or collapse when tainted by corrupting influence. The structure of our government is designed to enable both depots and egalitarians almost equally.

This open model of governance provides us with the building blocks for every type of political landscape, from dictatorship and corporatism to democracy and socialism. We are both saint and sinner, sometimes simultaneously. America is whatever you want it to be.

The framers recognized that in such an environment, apathy is toxic. As men of action and passion, they understood that you cannot turn your back on this country, in either sense of that phrase, and expect good to come of it. They wrote of this often.

Involvement is key. The good or the evil of a generation can be wiped away by purposeful, diligent hands, making all past achievements, no matter how great, subject to change. That was our founders’ gift to us, and their curse. We can remake ourselves from ashes, but at the same time, we can never be truly secure.

It seems the price for our freedom is indeed eternal vigilance.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu Apr 18th 2024, 07:21 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC