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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:22 PM
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Michelle Obama: "If Barack doesn’t win Iowa it is over.”"
I actually don't agree...it depends on how much he loses by...

http://www.qctimes.com/articles/2007/09/27/news/local/doc46fb31e2f3021710970352.txt
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:26 PM
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1. Naw!
Sounds kind of fishy to me. I don't think she said that.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:30 PM
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4. What if she had said:
"If Barack doesn't win Iowa it's over, and he smells bad"?
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:31 PM
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5. Goodness :(
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:33 PM
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6. Sorry, I'm just not used to hearing a Michelle Obama quote without some reference to her husbands
hygiene
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 01:18 PM
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14. Yeah, right :(
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 02:37 PM
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24. Deplorable.
n/t
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:26 PM
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2. Putting all your eggs in one basket (so to speak) is not very wise.
Edited on Thu Sep-27-07 12:27 PM by William769
I disagree with her also.

Now doesn't that put the Obama supporters here in a quandary with me? I disagree with Michelle Obama, but it's for her husbands own sake.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:29 PM
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3.  Spouses do get weary on the campaign trail. They long for the return to sanity. (eom)
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Rambis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:36 PM
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7. Then it is over
He will not win the Iowa Caucus. Here is now it will come out here in Iowa-

Edwards
Obama
Clinton
Richardson
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 01:24 PM
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16. hmm...no..
The Iowa Caucus:

Correct order of finish:

Clinton
Edwards
Richardson
Obama
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IA_Seth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 01:41 PM
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21. As much as I am not an Edwards supporter...
Edited on Thu Sep-27-07 01:42 PM by IA_Seth
His organization on the ground in Iowa is superior to any other candidate's at this stage of the game. Granted, all of that may change, but as it stands right now I'll unfortunately agree that Edwards will more than likely take Iowa first.

Obama/Clinton will be 2-3 (not necessarily in that order), unless Richardson does a LOT more in Iowa.

At least from this Iowan's perspective.

EDIT TO ADD:

A strong organization, and the ability to get your supporters to show up to a caucus on a cold January (December?) night is the key to winning a caucus. Edwards has spent so much time in Iowa that he's probably shook hands with every last supporter he's got here.. which bodes well for his caucus outcome.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 02:31 PM
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23. that may have been true IF this article hadn't come out today..
In the Demoines Register:

Iowans affected by lender linked to Edwards

While he worked for an equity company that dealt in mortgages, those lenders foreclosed on 107 homes in the state.
He says his anti-poverty stance isn't affected.

By THOMAS BEAUMONT
REGISTER STAFF WRITER

September 27, 2007

"A total of 107 Iowa homeowners were foreclosed upon by subprime mortgage companies owned by Fortress Investment Group while Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards was associated with the equity company, court records show.

Fortress foreclosures have occurred in other states, but the Iowa cases bring Edwards' tie to subprime lending to the leadoff presidential nominating state, where he has staked his political future.

Most Iowa Democratic activists interviewed by The Des Moines Register say the foreclosures by themselves do not undermine Edwards' anti-poverty message. However, some say he should have known that his tie to Fortress, which paid him $479,500 for 14 months of work, would be scrutinized in the campaign.

Some former Edwards supporters in Iowa say the Fortress link is another reminder of his personal activities and opulent lifestyle, which they find troubling.

Edwards said the focus of his public work in the past 2years outweighs any questions about his sincerity.

"If you look at the context of everything I've done since the last election, it's absolutely clear where my heart is and what I care about," Edwards said in a Register interview.

He pointed to his launch of a university policy institute in North Carolina to study poverty, overseas humanitarian work and efforts to help organize unions and raise the minimum wage around the country.

Edwards has been critical at times of subprime lenders. He said he tried to head off conflicts before going to work part time for Fortress as a consultant in October 2005.

Edwards has said subprime lenders, which target higher-risk borrowers, sometimes use predatory practices that lead to foreclosures. Last month, he severed his remaining ties with Fortress in light of foreclosures by two of its subsidiaries in hurricane-ravaged New Orleans.

A central part of Edwards' domestic campaign agenda has been to rein in predatory lending practices. He says those fuel the poverty he would work to curb as president.

Edwards says he was assured by Fortress principals before taking the consultant's job that the company's holdings included nothing that could be construed as anti-union or predatory lending.

At the time, however, the company owned Green Tree Servicing LLC, a subprime lender, and acquired a second, Nationstar Mortgage LLC, in 2006, six months before Edwards quit Fortress to run for president.

In May, Edwards contacted Fortress after learning about the first New Orleans foreclosure. He later divested his personal holdings in Nationstar. Edwards said he never invested in Green Tree.

In August, he removed the rest of the roughly $16 million he had invested in Fortress holdings. Edwards also used $100,000 of his own money to begin a charity for New Orleans homeowners after learning that 34 of them faced foreclosure from his former employer's companies.

The 107 Iowa foreclosures were filed by Green Tree and Nationstar from October 2005, to Aug. 17, 2007 - the day Edwards pledged to divest his Fortress holdings. During this period, a national subprime mortgage crisis has led to a spike in foreclosures nationally.

Edwards said he did not know about the Iowa foreclosures until his campaign was contacted by the Register.

Edwards said he has no plans to establish a charity for the Iowans with Fortress mortgages because they were not affected by Hurricane Katrina the way borrowers in New Orleans were.

Of the Iowa foreclosures, 60 resulted in Iowans losing their homes; 20 were dismissed; 27 were pending as of last week.

Edwards said he had aimed his criticism more at predatory lending practices than at subprime lenders, although "the line between the two is gray."

"I think what I have said is if subprime loans have some characteristics of predatory loans, then our national predatory lending law should deal with it," he said, referring to his proposal to deal with abusive lending practices.

That proposal includes enacting laws to curb practices such as excessive loan pre-payment fees and mortgages whose payments balloon toward maturation; establishing a commission to monitor and regulate terms of family financial services, and creating options to help keep homeowners at risk of foreclosure from losing their houses.

Iowa Democrats say Edwards' relationship with the subprime lenders was far enough removed to absolve him of any connection to the foreclosures.

"In the political arena you are always going to be scrutinized," said Neven Mulholland, a Fort Dodge lawyer who supported Edwards in 2004 and who is planning to support him in 2008.

"He wasn't being hypocritical. What he said, he meant. It doesn't mean to me he's trying to benefit or prey on the poor. Whether it's a mistake, only time will tell."

In his second run for his party's presidential nomination, Edwards is counting on a strong performance in Iowa's precinct caucuses. He finished a strong second-place here four years ago.

Recent polls in Iowa have shown the lead he held for months this year among the Democratic candidates has shrunk or disappeared.

Edwards' top rivals for the Democratic nomination also have faced scrutiny over their associations.

Last month, it was reported that Norman Hsu, one of Sen. Hillary Clinton's top donors and money-raisers, was wanted on federal fraud charges. Last spring, Sen. Barack Obama faced questions about longtime backer Tony Rezko, a Chicago businessman indicted on extortion and fraud charges.

Claire Celsi, a Des Moines Democrat who was firmly with Edwards, said connections like Edwards' to Fortress should be expected from candidates, many of whom are wealthy and whose networks include influential business people and investors.

But Celsi has turned away from Edwards because she felt that the news in March about him building a $5 million home in North Carolina, followed quickly by reports in April that he was paying hundreds of dollars apiece for haircuts, irreparably undercut his credibility on poverty.

"I didn't like some of the things I saw within the last six months," she said. "Why the heck he decided to build a 28,000-square-foot house, when his poverty is his platform, is beyond my imagination. The haircut thing just added to it."

Celsi, who now supports Clinton, added, "I just thought, he can't be that naive."

http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070927/NEWS09/709270393/1001/COMM10

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IA_Seth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 02:41 PM
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25. I dont think that will have any bearing...
Caucuses are all about getting bodies to show up to support you, and those people that support you strong enough to show up and sit through and hour (if not longer) of political posturing aren't usually the types to be swayed by one article about a tenuous tie to a company that negatively affected a little over 100 households.

It'll take more than that.
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Rambis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 03:56 PM
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31. This is BS!
Edited on Thu Sep-27-07 04:05 PM by Rambis
But Celsi has turned away from Edwards because she felt that the news in March about him building a $5 million home in North Carolina, followed quickly by reports in April that he was paying hundreds of dollars apiece for haircuts, irreparably undercut his credibility on poverty.

"I didn't like some of the things I saw within the last six months," she said. "Why the heck he decided to build a 28,000-square-foot house, when his poverty is his platform, is beyond my imagination. The haircut thing just added to it."

Celsi, who now supports Clinton, added, "I just thought, he can't be that naive."

I would bet she never supported Edwards and I highly doubt she is even a Democrat. This is straight out of my brother in laws right wing talking point mouth I used to support....

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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 02:24 PM
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22. I worked on the Kerry Iowa Caucus volunteer training & scheduling...
... and everyone who bashed me for signing onto with Kerry early in 2003
gave me stunned looks when we walked away with Iowa.

Every single step was planned to a T six months out, and it worked beautifully,
didn't it?

I know for a fact that Sen. Clinton is using the same formula that we used.

I'd tell you more, but I signed a non-disclosure agreement.

I'm not sure about Edwards placing second, but you could be right.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:36 PM
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8. I wouldn't put much importance on a statement made by a mother who's
been up all night holding a bucket, LOL! I can just imagine her thinking - "OMG can't believe I just said that!" as the words left her mouth!
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BridgeTheGap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:43 PM
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9. was that an ultimatum or something?
Maybe that's how she feels?
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Nedsdag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:45 PM
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10. Do your happy dance SaveElmer.
After all, if it is true, you Hillary supporters want to dance on the graves of your opponents.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 01:28 PM
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17. Bullshit.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:46 PM
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11. well she could be repeating what she's heard by certain members of the campaign
There's a lot of old-line advisors who think if you don't win Iowa, it's over.
Many of them on this very campaign.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:49 PM
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12. Obama campaign revises her remark:
Edited on Thu Sep-27-07 12:50 PM by MethuenProgressive
From the OP link, now updated:
“Iowa will make the difference,” Obama said. “If Barack doesn't win Iowa, it's just a dream, but if we win Iowa, then we can move the world as it should be. And we need your help in making that happen so join me.”

(An earlier version of this story incorrectly quoted Michelle Obama's remarks. The above quote reflects her words based on a transcript provided by the campaign. Other news outlets have reported the same quote as the campaign.)


edit: added html
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 01:38 PM
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19. Whatever happened to lowering expectations?
Michelle and Elizabeth are not their husband's best allies.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 01:16 PM
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13. That is pretty wise. Hopefully, he would not get too bruised
and battered so he could make another run later. Only
they know what the best course.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 01:18 PM
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15. Michelle's candor is refreshing...
but not always the best thing for her hubby's campaign.
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 01:36 PM
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18. Since she said it, now its true
Whether she meant to or not, she has drawn a line in the sand. Its unfortunate. He isn't going to win Iowa.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 01:40 PM
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20. Agreed it would depend on the margin but also I think the person who won.
If Hillary wins that, carries over to NH (where she currently leads big) leaving him to struggle to blunt her in SC.

If Edwards wins and Obama comes in a close 2nd he can gain serious ground on Clinton for NH.
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 03:02 PM
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26. She did not say it was over, Bull Shit post.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 03:43 PM
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28. When Elmer posted it was. The new quote "If Barack doesn't win Iowa, it's just a dream" isnit better
And at least Elmer does post from BS rw sites.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 03:40 PM
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27. Can we lock this thread now that the quote is wrong?
And because the responses assume the quote is accurate
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 03:44 PM
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29. Is the sentiment all that different with the corrected quote?
"If Barack doesn't win Iowa, it's just a dream"

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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 03:51 PM
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30. I agree Lock this it is now misinformation and misdirect by the Hillaristas!
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Clanfear Donating Member (260 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 04:05 PM
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32. I sensed something with him last night.
And I didn't like it. I believe all of the candidates are starting to see the writing on the wall.
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