I'm for Gore, then Dodd or Obama, BUT, Biden won the overall debate last night.

[blm]

And I find it curious that the newsmedia didn't notice it.

Biden won it - Dodd was good and Edwards did well, Obama was obviously under the weather. But, that's not really what the corporate media is saying.

Biden also said something VERY SIGNIFICANT on Iraq withdrawal that matters - he said IF Bush doesn't implement a withdrawal plan from the senate before he leaves office, then he would bring the troops home immediately as they would be nothing but fodder at that point with no rational mission in Iraq.

That serious a point has been glossed over by the media, yet it was probably the single most significant statement of the night.

[jillan]

1. Thank you for noticing!

His comment about Hillary last nite was the winning moment for me when he said:

the Clinton administration brings back alot of positives, but there were also alot of negatives there too.

And he was smooth as silk when he said it. It was far more effective than anything any other candidate has said.

edit to add - Dodd is my #2. He would make a great President, and he too would have no problem in the General.

[MalloyLiberal]

2. Funny you're so for Dodd

He voted the IWR. His anti-war and "cutting off the funding" are far from what he has voted for in years past. Opportunist.

[blm]

3. Funny I never said that.

I'm for Gore, but considering Dodd and Obama. I've said it more than a few times.

You're for Edwards and don't have a problem with HIS evolution, so why shouldn't Dodd receive equal consideration? He's close with two lawmakers I do trust - Kennedy and Kerry - and he was a good supporter of Ned Lamont last year. That matters.

[MalloyLiberal]

4. Then you shouldnt have problems with Edwards

Don't be a hypocrite.

Dodd was for Lieberman before he was for Lamont.
Flip flop.

[blm]

7. I didn't say I had a problem with Edwards. YOU don't like my point about Biden winning

that debate, say so. Dodd and Edwards did well and I said so.

But try replying to the post that is written, not one that you made up.

[Think82]

5. why are you not for Biden?

Obviously you're interested otherwise you wouldn't have posted. Also, Biden wins EVERY debate, if you've been watching the last 7.

[blm]

8. That will take some time. I still vividly remember how Bush got him to promise

that he wouldn't make Iraq an issue in the 2004 election.

He also waited till after the election to side with Kerry's call for Rumsfeld to go. Had more senators joined that call back in 2003 and 2004, it would have had a greater impact, plus, it would have given the troops a chance at a better leader at that point. Bush would've been somewhat off his game at that point.

Biden has some ground to make up with me.

[Think82]

9. He figured out the solution to Iraq

I suppose that makes up some ground? Not trying ot be a dick here, but look who is solving our biggest problems.

http://www.joebiden.com/newscenter/pressreleases?id=0176

[blm]

12. I favored Kerry's solution in 2005 and 2006 - Biden was dismissive as he was still

on the no withdrawal, no timetable bandwagon then, though Kerry and Feingold were saying to anyone who'd listen that Iraq was in Civil War and THAT changed the mission right there.

[Think82]

20. Biden was going to be Kerry's SOS

[blm]

27. Not the point, though. Listen, I am all for giving props to Biden when he's on, he's on. and there's

no denying it. He's let me down in the past on some major issues recently. When he shows me more then he'll get my support.

For now I'm looking mostly to Gore, then Dodd and Obama, but I do believe Biden is a competent thinker, and one of the best minds OVERALL in the senate - and not just a political calculator as some are.

[karynnj]

16. He sponsored the Biden/Gelb/gailbraeth (sp) plan

This week though he made an important compromise - he more explicitly left the defining of the states and the role of the federal government to be determined by the summit. This was likely done to get Kerry on board - as this is the key problem that Kerry has had. In view of the colonial heritage, it is a horrible idea to have us drawing lines.

Biden did a great job making the case, that especially as the ethnic violence increases, this is the only solution. The new plan is better because Biden made this change.

[Think82]

6. Also, did you catch THIS after the debate? :

http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=en-US&brand=msnbc&vid=cecbba4f-fc95-4a88-a5b9-1d32f7f23f08

[PatSeg]

13. Matthews is really liking Biden

Did you see his interview pre-debate with Joe? He obviously thinks highly of him and his plan for Iraq.

[THUNDER HANDS]

10. well, i'm sure it would get more notice

if anyone took Biden's candidacy seriously.

[blm]

11. When someone performs more soundly than others in a consistent manner, that

should mean something, at LEAST to the media who is supposed to be reporting as JOURNALISTS and honest brokers.

[jillan]

18. Or they could just stay home and not take a stand on Iraq & Iran

[PatSeg]

14. It seems like the media just takes Biden

for granted. He's been around forever and is an excellent speaker, but they are used to him. For a lot of viewers however, he is "new".

[blm]

19. Similar situation as Kerry - known to some yet UNKNOWN to many.

And in Kerry's case, he was KNOWN in DC as being an anti-corruption, open government Democrat, so he had to get torn apart through lies and election fraud by the RNC, some powerful Dems and a complicit media to protect the secrecy and privilege of the ruling elite.

[sandnsea]

15. I liked Biden last night too

I thought he and Edwards both did well. But Biden was the one willing to put it all on the line, say exactly what he means, no wishy washy stuff. I'm not sure he looks like the change America is convinced it wants, he has to convince people he has a vision that will take us past this current fear and terror mentality.

[blm]

17. Good points.

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[gateley]

24. One of the reasons I like Biden so much is of that willingness you mention to

put it all on the line and say exactly what he means.

When he said (in response to the moveon ad) "I'm going to get in trouble for saying this" you just know his advisors blanched, but he told it like he sees it.

With Biden, I feel what you see is what you get -- that is SO refreshing.

[dugggy]

21. You could be for anyone...but MSM wants Hillary and

that's what you will get. Actually it is a good choice.

[gateley]

25. Really? It's a Done Deal? I didn't know that. Thanks for the info. nt

[dugggy]

29. Happy to be of service n/t

[PatSeg]

28. The media has a tendency to

"build a candidate Up, just to later tear them down". They've done it many times in the past. To them frontrunners are fair game and the process creates more news.

[jillan]

30. We're watching that with Matthews and Hillary.

He spent months and months about how she was unbeatable. Now he is just shaking his head like the rest of us.
But he is looking for a good fight. He wants one of the candidates to take her down. He loves that stuff.

[PatSeg]

31. Yeah, he does

His eyes light up when he sees a good fight on the horizon.

[gateley]

22. It's apparent that Biden understands the situation -- the facts, the reality --

and has given much thought to potential outcomes, with plans for each.

He has said before, when others state their positions, the next needs to be "and then what?" and again, "and then what?. He's not willing to make the mistakes this admin made going into a situation with no long-term thinking or planning.

There is no one more qualified than he to deal with Iraq.

[Think82]

23. The media feeds off the Hillary-Bush thing

It's unfortunate but by being defeatist and saying"we're going to get Hillary" than you are giving into exactly what you are condemning.

[blm]

26. I don't give IN to Hillary - I fight her because she protects the powerful and

always has, while giving lipservice to the rest of the country that gets taken in by their act.

I believe in their ACTIONS, because actions don't lie - lips do.