Bill Clinton would be wise to stay out of this presidential race

[BluegrassDem]

His recent remarks about Obama show that the Hillary camp is getting nervous, so they're trying to sneak Bill Clinton in there with a few jabs. The problem is that if Bill starts interjecting in this campaign (which he's free to do), then the Hillary camp shouldn't get mad if the Dems start bringing up all the negative shit that happened in the 90's, like NAFTA, outsourcing, China, Monica, impeachment, Monica, billing scandals, Monica, fundraising scandals, etc., etc.

If Bill wants to play hardball with the other candidates, then everything is fair game in my opinion. Although most Dems think fondly of the good economy under him, there's a lot of bad shit that happened under him as well. We'll see if he continues with more little jabs at Obama et al.

[2rth2pwr]

1. Isn't it time to MoveOn from personal attacks?

That stuff is old news, can't we campaign based on hope?

[TSIAS]

3. Where are the personal attacks?

:shrug:

[robinlynne]

8. campaign based on hope? we're 9 stages into fascism. And there are only 10.

[2rth2pwr]

11. You're serious, aren't you?

What is the last step to complete the takeover?

[robinlynne]

21. yes. Here is a link to a du thread describing naomi wolf's book, on the ten steps to fascism:

There are many other books and essays before this one which say the exact same thing. Basiciaslly all the people who study fascism come to this same conclusion about what the ten steps are.



onehttp://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3540772

[blm]

24. IMO, Clintons deserve return only on the treatment they have given other Democrats

That should be about right, eh?


http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=13354

http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg

[snowbear]

2. Big Dawg is frantically working the phones for endorsements...

And no one is better at persuasion than he is.

But it does make you wonder which one -- Bill or Hill-- really wants it more?

[TSIAS]

4. Like with John Lewis of GA

He was ready to support Obama, save for a last minute save by the former Pres.

[emilyg]

9. Just like Elizabeth and Michelle.

[aquart]

12. "Frantically"?

You're there? You see the flop sweat beading on his brow? You KNOW he's "frantic"?

How about "diligently"? "Eagerly"? "Helpfully"? "Encouragingly"? "Determinedly"?

The kind of slanted writing you posted with your "frantically" is pure tabloid slime. It could be a sentence in the New York Times. Absolutely shameful to see it at DU.

[sandnsea]

5. Bill & Hil together can't beat Obama

He is leading among caucus goers in Iowa, and leading among the #2's. Even after Bill has stumped endlessly. As soon as people realize that Obama has already beaten the Clinton Machine, they'll know he's the "electable" one.

[illinoisprogressive]

7. Obama alone attracts 10 times the people that the Bill and Hill show have

[aquart]

13. Then Obama will win and you will be happy.

I favor waiting for the Democratic voters to give their opinion by ballot, myself.

[sandnsea]

16. You suggest everybody just shut up

until the voters speak?

Why shouldn't I be happy if my preferred candidate wins?

[illinoisprogressive]

6. You should see the remarks by people on other blogs about Clinton going after Obama

not just left blogs but, the mainstream news blogs. 95% are dumping on clinton. saying things like since hillary has less experience than Obama, maybe Bill is saying she is not ready either.
or they just go after Bill about everything. and these are democrats. alot also are remarking on him overstaying his time on the stage. that it's time to leave and move on. it ain't the 90s anymore.
alot of backlash

[aquart]

14. I'm glad you can see their party registration.

How do you find it with all the assumed names online?

[fujiyama]

10. I want to like Bill...

and I think he was a good president....

But...he signed some REALLY bad pieces of legislation as president.

I get the impression Obama has the seriousness Bill lacked.

And I think that really frustrates Clinton. Maybe he sees what could have been...were it now for the problems during his administration, some of his own doing.

Also, Clinton REALLY better not make an argument about inexperience, because many view the first two years of his first term to be a complete fucking mess. This was the time of Hillarycare and a complete inability to get anything through despite having both houses controlled by Democrats. Whatever "experience" Clinton had beforehand is irrelevant in retrospect because it took Clinton a while to accomplish anything of real value, and that too many of those "accomplishments" he touts now were bad compromises AFTER Gingrich took over the House...

Bill Clinton is NOT eligible to run again and he better not act like he is. Yes, he loves politics and campaigning but I agree that he better walk a fine line between campaigning for his wife - and campaigning for himself.

[aquart]

15. Bill Clinton was not serious?

That's not just a lie. It's a stupid lie.

[BootinUp]

19. I couldn't believe that one either.

[windbreeze]

17. because he IS after all...NOT going to be president...

which really should be obvious....however....we must remember, that there are those out there who voted for Bill based on his looks only....so don't think for one minute that bill/hill don't intend to use those same people again to their advantage...there will be the ones who think that IF they put Hill in the WH...that it IS BILL they re-elected...some can't separate the two...some even fool themselves into believing that they do have them separated...but...are still hoping that IF they elect her, he WILL influence her in some way...I think he will NOT...

I remember, that when the Clintons chose to move to NY...AFTER he was no longer pres...that there were people who said...their move to NY was with the plan to go after the WH again...with her as president instead of him...I thought it was nuts...that nothing could be further from the truth..well, we see now, that "they" were not nuts after all..that her running for pres., HAS been plotted and planned all along...and that their move to NY and her election to the Senate WAS exactly the start of HER run...kinda cold/calculating in my book...didn't the people of NY deserve honesty on that score??

Do we NOT think she influenced Bill at all while he was in the WH? IMO...she is the pants in that family...I don't care how intelligent he might be...she's the one who runs things, and any choices she's made in the past, regarding Bill or anything else, have been made while considering from all angles, how it would benefit HER future run for the WH...even in Kosovo, she was there making sure she was seen, right alongside him...every move she's made, has been done with a run for the WH in mind...

I think a man strays, to prove that there are things that can't be controlled by anyone but them....I remember all the speculation about what she would do after his indiscretion, and why she stayed with him...being a divorced woman, I should think, would seriously inhibit your chances of a run for the WH, no matter who you are...I think people really do NOT know Hillary...I think "people" (including myself, up to now)have a tendency to seriously underestimate her...

Just recently she made the comment that she has been dreaming about being president all her life, which kind of proves the point I've been trying to make.....so IS that single minded determination a good thing, or a bad thing...guess that remains to be seen...and from what position you are seeing it...I don't hate her...I can almost admire her determination...but...I want a name other than Bush/Clinton to grace our home at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue...it's time to get out of the rut we're in...disclaimer: jmo
wb

[hedgehog]

25. I don't know if "seriousness" is the proper term, but you're right about Clinton.

I know that the Republicans are the ones who shot him down, but by heavens, did he have to go out and buy the gun and load it for them? Roosevelt and Kennedy both had affairs while in the White House. So what? Washington and Jefferson owned slaves. That was then, this is now and that behavior is not approved of by the American people. Someone who is as astute a politician as Bill Clinton is claimed to be should have realized this. He ducked a bullet during the primaries over his behavior. He should have learned his lesson. Instead he kept on tempting fate, and we're all still suffering the consequences.

[BootinUp]

18. Attacking Bill would be a big mistake

don't take my word for it though.

[cobalt1999]

20. Nothing and no one will keep Bill Clinton away from a campaign

The man is a campaigning machine and loves it. He'll become more and more visible as the campaign goes on.

He also provides a great contrast to how things were before Bush and after 8 years of Bush, people are a little nostalgic for the Clinton years.

[Tellurian]

22. Let me tell you something...don't even try threatening people

with your advise on how they should or want to run their campaigns because they'll face some kind of wrath from the Left and the Right.

Here's our motto:

"Bring IT!" if you've got it, but don't "cry" when YOU get it back... 10 fold!

[Cameron27]

23. Nah, don't believe a word of that.

Love him or hate him, he's still a crowd pleaser.

[hedgehog]

26. If Hillary takes the nomination, these topics will come up.

Maybe we should bring them up now. Either she'll knock them down and we can get on to the real issues during the general campaign, or, she won't be able to dodge them and better we find out now then later.

[Naturyl]

27. I like Bill in general - it's hard not to.

But I haven't forgotten that he threw welfare under the bus in a fit of opportunistic pandering. It was a very unfortunate move and one a lot of progressives can't forgive.

[AtomicKitten]

28. I disagree. He's an asset and HRC is entitled to use him.

She paid her dues for whatever benefit it gives her. I don't begrudge her that. I like Bill Clinton. I just don't support his wife in the primary.

[Festivito]

29. Me too. It would be WRONG not to include him now.

And, for ANY of the Dem candidates.

[sampsonblk]

30. Ummm your nuclear option has one flaw

Yeah the other candidates could go talk about Monica, but they will never win the Dem primary by doing that. The first Dem who brings up Monica up will be out of the race.

[SaveElmer]

31. I can understand why Obamatons would want to keep Bill off the campaign trail...

For Hillary it's like having Joe Montana as the backup quarterback...

[jcrew2001]

32. what's Sexual harassment?

is swapping sexual favors for jobs considered sexual harassment?

it never occurred to me that what bill did was illegal.

[rinsd]

33. I'll take the Big Dawg any day of the week.

"the Hillary camp shouldn't get mad if the Dems start bringing up all the negative shit that happened in the 90's, like NAFTA, outsourcing, China, Monica, impeachment, Monica, billing scandals, Monica, fundraising scandals, etc., etc."

Let me get this straight you're claiming the Clinton campaign was first to go negative?