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ariesgem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 06:20 PM
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Clinton's cackle may give opponents the last laugh
By Leonard Doyle in Washington
Published: 01 October 2007

They call it the Clinton cackle. It comes out of the blue, lasts a few seconds and leaves those who witnessed it wondering if they have missed a joke. Hillary Clinton's deployment of the full belly laugh is the latest weapon used by the leading Democratic presidential candidate when she is being pummelled by reporters or rivals.

Friends say the cackle is her way of deflecting aggressive questioning. It may also be a sign of nervousness over Iowa, where she is now running second to Barak Obama, according to one weekend poll.

Hillary Clinton still leads comfortably in the national polls over her closest Democratic rivals – Mr Obama and John Edwards. But Iowa is the first bellwether state in the race, where the first major event in the nomination process occurs in early January followed immediately by the New Hampshire primary.

Defeat in Iowa would be a serious blow and may explain why Clinton is using humour to deflect criticism rather than the withering ripostes she is known for.

Mrs Clinton's friends say she has a terrific sense of humour. But her sarcastic tendencies do not go down well with Mid Western voters. So she has turned to laughter. When attacked about her many flip-flops – she voted for war in Iraq but now opposes it and she opposed universal healthcare but now wants it – she now bursts out laughing.

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The questions about her judgement are coming thick and heavy. This week there will be more as her adversary Mr Obama tours Iowa to mark the fifth anniversary of a speech he gave opposing the war in Iraq. Even Bill Clinton seems nervous about Mr Obama and said publicly last week that he was too inexperienced to run for the White House.

Mr Obama's ability to persuade the country that he has both good judgement and experience could now be key. His deliberately non-confrontational style of campaigning is showing signs of working, at least in Iowa, where Newsweek says he is leading the Democratic field among those expected to attend the caucus "meeting of neighbours" to decide the candidate. Victory here would be a huge boost to the Obama campaign, energising his support across the country and upending the predictions that Hillary Clinton has the nomination all but sewn up.

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Mr Obama is also raising more money than Mrs Clinton – more than $75m over the past nine months – as ordinary people rather than wealthy donors eagerly contribute $10 and $20 a person through his campaign website. Mr Obama's advisers express confidence that he will do well in both Iowa and New Hampshire and surge to victory a few weeks later when many states vote in what is being called Super Duper Tuesday. His quiet-spoken style of electioneering has led many in the media to write off his campaign. And while he has sharpened his criticisms of Hillary Clinton he still refuses to engage in an all-out assault.

"I know there's a tremendous blood lust out there in the political community who want us to be in a steel-cage match with her," said his chief strategist David Axelrod. "Barack Obama didn't get in this race to tear Hillary Clinton down or to tear anybody else down. He got into the race to lift the country up. No doubt we have differences, and he will draw on those differences. But he is going to resist the thirst for gratuitous combat, because that's part of his critique of the political process."


http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article3015299.ece
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 06:22 PM
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1. Between that cackle and Bill on the tube 24/7 ... Clinton burn-out is imminent.
Edited on Sun Sep-30-07 06:23 PM by ShortnFiery
I don't want them to go away mad ... just PLEASE go away? :shrug:
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 06:27 PM
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5. I couldn't agree more...
I bet even the MEDIA will soon get tired of the Clinton manipulation and "imminence" storyline.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 06:25 PM
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2. Threads about the "Clinton cackle" have already appeared
on DU twice today.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 12:01 AM
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48. I think it's ridiculous. "Cackle" is so obvious
Like a witch, huh?

This is ridiculous and demeaning. I think anyone employing this phrase should be suspect regarding their motives.

I rather enjoy Hillary's laugh. I tried to get her to laugh last time we were in a room together. I think it was the green room in L.A.'s Bergamot Station before her speech leading up to the intro of the Red Hot Chili Peppers. She's got a lot of things wrong with her campaign, but her laugh isn't one of them.
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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 12:10 AM
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52. So, you're a Roseanne Barr fan, huh?
Listen to the opening sequence of her old sitcom. Clinton is using the same nasally cackle.

It's going to make her really easy to caricature. Pity she doesn't have a sense of humor or a genuine laugh.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 12:27 AM
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55. did you READ my post?
She's got a great sense of humor, as evidenced by her finding me amusing as hell. I love her laugh. Even though I work for Obama. Course I didn't then......

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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 04:01 AM
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65. It's a problem that Hillary herself has created
Just during the past week, she used her laugh too many times in the TV appearences on September 23rd, and then again in the debate on MSNBC.

"The Daily Show" is not right-wing propaganda, but when they did a segment on Hillary's "laugh", Jon Stewart made the point that sometimes it made sense (like when FOX News asked her why she is so partisan), but other times it was inappropriate. It looked like a deliberate, almost pre-programmed response. Jon Stewart suggested that Hillary might be an android.

Let's be honest - the loud laughter looks like a ploy that Hillary's people have advised her to do as a way of deflecting criticism and tough questions.

"Clinton cackle" is alliteration, just like "Dean Scream" was a convenient rhyme.

I guess we could try calling it the "Clinton chuckle" - but that ain't no chuckle ...
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jmp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 10:07 AM
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81. I'm sorry ... that is a cackle.
You may not like the sound of that word, but it is spot on ... and that forced laughter is like nails on a blackboard.

And yeah, you can bet that it's just a matter of time before someone posts a video on youtube of "Hillary" being doused with a bucket of water and melting.


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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 06:25 PM
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3. I like Obama and Clinton
but this focusing on her laugh is getting ridiculous. Let's not play along with the right as they search anxiously for another "Dean Scream".
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 06:27 PM
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4. Yes, it was the M$M playing the "Dean Scream" that was instrumental in derailing his
campaign. Heaven knows that our whorish M$M won't say anything negative about HRC ... well, until after the primaries. :evilgrin:
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 06:29 PM
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10. They already have. n/t
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 06:31 PM
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12. Oh no! Methinks the M$M whores for the RW have NOT EVEN warmed up yet.
:evilgrin: We haven't seen NOTHING yet. ;)
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 06:11 PM
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88. Actually, his scream came the night of his big loss in Iowa
It wasn't a scream for real, of course. The msmedia love to run with a smear.

But that said, Dean was on his way down already when the "yaaaa" came.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 06:28 PM
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7. I f Hillary can't take the heat in the primaries, what can we expect in the
general election?
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 07:00 AM
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70. oh but she's a fighter. she's the onLy one who can beat
the right wing.

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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 06:29 PM
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11. I'm not playing along with the right...
I'm feeling this way all on my own.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 07:12 PM
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22. Her friends call it "The Cackle"
We're not saying anything her friends haven't said.

:shrug:
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 08:47 PM
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28. Thank-you. really. There are important things happening in this country!
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 06:28 PM
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6. I do not like Hillary at all. Not at all. But this is just bullshit. This whole
pathetic article is a hit piece aimed at low-minded buffoons. Her 'cackle'??? Fucking can't call it a laugh?

Cackle, a word designed to demean. Especially a woman.

From Dictionary.com

cack·le /ˈkækəl/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation verb, -led, -ling, noun
–verb (used without object)
1. to utter a shrill, broken sound or cry, as of a hen.

Please. As much as I detest Hillary Clinton, even I find the author of this piece more repugnant than she'll ever be.


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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 06:29 PM
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9. Then WHY didn't we step up and demand the same RE: the degrading of Dean?!? nt
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 06:35 PM
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13. I doubt that many Dems
played along with that either. Stick to the policy issues and don't let personality quirks become false issues,for any of our candidates.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 06:37 PM
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Dean's "scream" was authentic...
Hillary's new "laugh" seems contrived and calculated. And it has nothing to do with what RWers think. It's what I think and another reason I won't vote for her unless it's in the general.
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 09:00 PM
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31. calculated as in
she uses it to deflect important questions as a "farce" or not important. I believe the cackle is political relevant if she uses it as a political tool.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 09:33 PM
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32. I agree.
:hi:
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 09:50 PM
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33. I can see what she's laughing at
An example is the Chris Wallace interview. Wallace asked Hillary about how partisan she and her husband are. How could anyone not break out laughing at that question coming from Fox News? Still, many said Hillary was laughing at nothing and looked crazy.

Most of the other times I've seen her do it was in response to loaded gotcha' questions that don't scare her one bit. She's laughing at the fool trying to get her.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 10:07 PM
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36. So the question of why she voted for the Lieberman resolution
Edited on Sun Sep-30-07 10:07 PM by jenmito
was funny or loaded???
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 10:26 PM
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39. I don't know the exact wording
Wasn't the question from Russert? He was trying to trip her up for an entire debate.

How did she answer it? I've been looking for a transcript.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 06:39 PM
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15. Many many many did. The guys laugh didn't faze me a damn bit. It's only
the weak of intellect who will latch onto something like that and think its important.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 07:11 PM
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21. Exactly.nt
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 08:47 PM
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29. we did!
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 06:59 PM
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19. Sorry, but it is a cackle.
To anyone with a musical ear, it is offensive. And maybe it doesn't turn you off, and maybe it won't turn off those who focus totally on policy and ignore personality, but it sure turns me off big time. It's ugly. It's annoying. It makes me want to shut my ears. It makes Hillary look like she isn't quite normal, like she is a little nuts. She might as well deal with her laugh (and her voice) now. People tolerate Bush's limited vocabulary and butchery of English grammar, but Hillary's laugh could well cause the defeat of the Democratic Party in 2008. It is really that bad. Be honest. You don't like the cackle either. No honest person could say they like that sound.

And I disagree with the physical location from which that laugh comes -- it's not the belly. The laugh is too dry and cynical to come from the belly. I think it originates in an arrogant nose turned up at all those foolish common folk out there who just don't recognize how superior Hillary is to everybody else.
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 12:03 AM
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49. My, my, an expert on laughs.
I am honest, and I do like her laugh. Anti-Clintonites appear easily led down the garden path of right-wing manipulation. Threads of this type are disgusting and anti-democratic.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 12:08 AM
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50. I love how some people feel they're impervious to right-wing manipulation.
Edited on Mon Oct-01-07 12:09 AM by Forkboy
It's like cancer...it's something that only happens to other people.

Until it happens to you, that is.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 12:49 AM
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56. It is a obnoxious a laugh as those of snorters.
Edited on Mon Oct-01-07 12:54 AM by JDPriestly
Some people snort when they laugh. Hillary's laugh has this dry sound. It has no human warmth. That is the problem with it. A laugh that is warm puts people at ease. It invites others to laugh along. Hillary's laugh is dry, so dry that it sounds threatening. Arther than put others at ease and invite them to laugh along, it jars. Some say the eyes are the windows of the soul. I say that the voice is the window of the soul. I majored in voice, and I hear voices and know voice production. Listening to a person's voice is like listening to a language that I know well. From hearing a voice, I can feel how it is produced by that person. Hillary's voice and in particular this strange laugh are warnings to me. I really do not trust or like her. I am sorry to say this about a Democrat because I am a staunch Democrat. I do not feel this way about any of the other candidates. But, yes, just as some are experts on body language, I am an expert on voices.

Obama's voice draws people to him. It is mesmerizing. Dodd's voice is quite strong but sensitive. Edwards has a great voice too. (He is my favorite candidate all around.) Biden's voice is fine, but his speaking manner betrays a bit of sloppiness and maybe impatience. All in all, I like all the candidates except Hillary. And yes, your voice says a lot about your character. I would say that Hillary is very demanding, proud and arrogant compared to the other Democratic candidates.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 10:26 PM
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40. I thought HRC undefendable. But I agree - what is wrong with the
Word "laugh"

I detest a candidate being hit unfairly.
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 11:39 PM
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45. I'm sorry, but I have to say
it IS a "cackle" and when I heard it, it almost scared me. And I don't detest Hillary, I just don't want her to win the nomination. But the "cackle" was really odd, it was not a laugh. If I could remember which interview it was from, I'd post it, but I can't. She probably shouldn't laugh during interviews, if it's going to sound like that. Honest - it was THAT bad.

The author of the piece may be repugnant, and I'm not sure the "cackle" needed to be written about, but it IS there, and I for one cannot imagine listening to it for 4 years.
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 04:07 AM
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67. It's a problem that Hillary herself has created
Just to begin: The Independent is the most accurate, honest, and liberal-leaning daily newspaper in England. They vigorously questioned the motivations behind the invasion of Iraq (much more so than The Guardian - which for the past 13 years has been close to Tony Blair and "New Labour"). If The Independent is reporting a phenomenon, it's because their reporter has observed it. In this case they are saying that a lot of US media has been giving attention to the "Clinton cackle". Which is undeniably the case.



Just during the past week, she used her laugh too many times in the TV appearences on September 23rd, and then again in the debate on MSNBC.

"The Daily Show" is not right-wing propaganda, but when they did a segment on Hillary's "laugh", Jon Stewart made the point that sometimes it made sense (like when FOX News asked her why she is so partisan), but other times it was inappropriate. It looked like a deliberate, almost pre-programmed response. Jon Stewart suggested that Hillary might be an android.

Let's be honest - the loud laughter looks like a ploy that Hillary's people have advised her to do as a way of deflecting criticism and tough questions.

"Clinton cackle" is alliteration, just like "Dean Scream" was a convenient rhyme.

I guess we could try calling it the "Clinton chuckle" - but that ain't no chuckle ...
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daninthemoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 06:28 PM
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8. Yeah, she's got to get a handle on that. I assume it's a new contrivance,
but it's awful grating. It's the only thing she's been doing lately that doesn't "appear presidential". I sure hope she stops.:banghead:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 06:37 PM
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14. Frank Rich wrote about it,
Edited on Sun Sep-30-07 06:37 PM by zidzi
too.
snip>
"Then there was that laugh. The Clinton campaign's method for heeding the perennial complaints that its candidate comes across as too calculating and controlled is to periodically toss in a smidgen of what it deems personality. But these touches of intimacy seem even more calculating: the "Let's chat" campaign rollout, the ostensibly freewheeling but tightly controlled Web "conversations," the supposed vox populi referendum to choose a campaign song (which yielded a plain-vanilla Celine Dion clunker).

Now Mrs. Clinton is erupting in a laugh with all the spontaneity of an alarm clock buzzer. Mocking this tic last week, "The Daily Show" imagined a robotic voice inside the candidate's head saying, "Humorous remark detected — prepare for laughter display." However sincere, this humanizing touch seems as clumsily stage-managed as the Gores' dramatic convention kiss."


I don't know what's up with it..and I don't think Frank Rich does, either, but, it sounds like it's annoying more than a few people.

I don't want hillary because she's too "business as usual"..I don't care about her damn laugh.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/30/opinion/30rich.html?n=Top/Opinion/Editorials%20and%20Op-Ed/Op-Ed/Columnists/Frank%20Rich
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 09:56 PM
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35. No pleasing Hillary critics
They say Hillary's just an act. If Hillary comes across as genuine, the critics just say she learned how to be genuine as part of the act.

Its this kind of nastiness that drives me to defend Hillary.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 02:10 AM
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61. Hillary Is Being "Gored" And Some Democrats Applaud
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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 07:32 AM
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74. You know what? I'm the first to tell you that Hillary is not my favorite candidate...
but this is so over the top ridiculous I'm just beside myself. Her LAUGH? That's all they got? Her effin' LAUGH?
I find myself defending her this morning as well.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 09:37 AM
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80. Defend hillary's vote
on giving bush backdoor powers to bomb Iran and enabling bush all these years. And her stupid insurance scam health plan.
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 06:03 PM
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87. Hillary says she didn't vote to give Bush any powers
Was there anything in the resolution about the use of force?

The "insurance plan health scam" will provide health insurance for 10s of millions who don't have it. Its not a giveaway to the insurance companies. For one thing, the companies will be forced to take anybody regardless of pre-existing conditions.
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 06:44 PM
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16. So happy to have a press focused on issues
I just read an article about how the press savaged Gore in 2000 ("Going After Gore" in Vanity Fair) and now I get to read about Sen Clinton's "cackle."

Will we find out next that more people want to have a beer with Rudy than with Kucinich? Stay tuned, boys and girls.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 06:47 PM
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17. YEP.
The last paragraph of the VF article refers to the "old media," but it seems that the media haven't changed much.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 06:51 PM
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18. It's not about a trait. It's about a calculation...
Her laugh is not authentic. She laughs at inappropriate times. What in the world is funny about asking why she voted for Lieberman's Iran resolution???
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 07:09 PM
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20. I agree with all of that
But the question is: why is this newsworthy? And she wouldn't have to rely upon simulated laughter if the media weren't so ready to pick on her for her "coldness" (read: frigidity). So, not only do we, as media consumers, create the laugh, we then critique the laugh she created as a mechanism to defend herself against the initial "image problem."

I'm no supporter of Sen Clinton, but I'm not going to buy into this ludicrous narrative.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 07:13 PM
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23. It shows her phony calculating contrived side
which in the end, is the only side there is.
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 07:21 PM
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24. Again, I don't doubt that she is calculating and contrived
But her calculation and contrivance are functions of our sick media culture--at least in part. On the other hand, she has a whole series of votes that are just as calculating and contrived; I would say that her politics are, at base, cynical. That is something I think is worth discussing, not her "cackle."
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 08:27 PM
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27. If you like being laughed right in your face
I don't. I thought her response when Gravel confronted her summed her up completely. If others want to pour through speeches and votes and contrasting comments to come to the same conclusion 10 seconds of cackle would lead them to, then that's their choice.
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 12:09 AM
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51. Oh, you mean as opposed to the sincere, straight-forward
characteristics of the candidate you support? These attacks are unseemly on a democratic board. Can't you support your candidate without giving ammunition to our polar opposites of the other party?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 01:43 AM
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60. I Oppose The Clintons
I oppose them just like others oppose Joe Lieberman. Up until the day of the convention, I will oppose the Clintons. I will then shut up until the day after the election, and then I will oppose the Clintons again. I do not like them, I do not trust them, I believe they have ruined the party and laid the groundwork for the mess we are in today. That is my right as a US citizen and as a member of this board. If you don't like it, don't read my posts.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 08:58 PM
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30. I totally disagree...
The media has been glossing over any and every negative thing she's said or done up 'til now. BEFORE the phony laugh they were saying she's warmer and more natural the more they see her. Her fake laugh, while maybe being a tactic to make her MORE approachsble, became clearly a tactic once she started doing it even in response to serious questions. The media is pointing out the obvious and it's not ludicrous at all.
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 09:54 PM
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34. If its unpopular
why would she calculate to do it? If she could calculate her laugh she'd come up with a better laugh or not do it.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 07:34 PM
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25. The media will do anything to ridicule a Democrat
...hair, where they went to grade school, their laugh. What bothers me most is how successful they are, apparently, if DU is an example. People cannot help but internalize what they hear in the media.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 12:56 AM
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57. True. But Hillary gives them a good reason to ridicule her.
Laughing sarcastically at a person, no matter who, does not win that person's affection and/or friendship. That laugh is going to cost Hillary in the long run.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 07:34 PM
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26. so hillary is an old hen...
jesus christ when will this shit stop...i know-never
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 10:07 PM
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37. Did you hear John Kerry had a foreign wife? And Dean had this CRAZY yell.....
All those Democrats are wierd......

No, the shit won't ever stop. It doesn't even get any better. Just same old right-wing vomit.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 10:12 PM
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38. Don't forget the "eye rolling" and "sighs" of Al Gore.
I'm not so sure this stuff is ideological, though it might be. One thing is certain: it's an easy way for some really bad writers to make a buck.
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 10:31 PM
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41. Cackle? They used the word cackle?
Edited on Sun Sep-30-07 10:31 PM by cobalt1999
Jeez, that's a bit sexist. Has the word cackle ever been used to describe a man's laugh?

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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 10:34 PM
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42. The cackle has undertones of the Dean scream.
They both could do major damage even though they are completely irrelevant to the job they would do as president.
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 11:21 PM
Response to Reply #42
43. Good pickup. Obviously the media will use this parallel
in themes as it was sensational enough to work with Dean.
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 11:43 PM
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46. The Cackle Has Undertones of The Wizard of Oz
Sure I've joked about Kucinich sounding like a disgruntled elf from time to time, but this does seem to be a)below the belt, and b)not in the interest of any Democrat, regardless of whom you support.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 11:24 PM
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44. My guess is the laugh will disappear by the end of next week.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 11:51 PM
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47. Not on the right wing talk shows. It's already become one of their sound props
I got the feeling she was actually doing it on purpose to come across as warm and fun, but because it was an act she didn't pull it off right and it backfired.

It almost comes across like a robot laughing because there is a pause then she just blurts it out. Even Stephanie Miller is using it on her radio show for humor.
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 12:17 AM
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53. Well, isn't that special; and we helped.
What better place to pick up pointers to defeat democratic candidates than the Democratic Underground. Anyone who has personally attacked a candidate's laugh, looks, gender, etc., has contributed to the right-wing diatribes played constantly on Fox, Limbaugh, Shannity, etc. You know the drill. Shame on us for helping them.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 07:56 AM
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76. Would it be considered gratuitous to discourage desperate DU'ers from posting these threads?
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 02:45 PM
Response to Reply #53
84. Oh Please
Rush and Hannity have been using her laugh since the day she was on Fox News and did the laugh. They don't come over here looking for stuff like that. They are weeks ahead of us.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 02:13 AM
Response to Reply #44
62. It Will Go The Way Of The Edsel, Tie Dyed Shirts, And The Smirk
Edited on Mon Oct-01-07 02:14 AM by DemocratSinceBirth
eom
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 12:20 AM
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54. I support Obama, but this is Al Gore's SIGHS once more -- here we go again. nt
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 12:56 AM
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58. You are absolutelly right.
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City67 Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 01:10 AM
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59. I think people are over reacting
I saw some vids of her laughing here:

http://www.thatpoliticalblog.com/serendipity/archives/1547-The-Hillary-Clinton-cackle-videos.html

Looked like a normal enough laugh to me. I think people are just trying to find anything they can latch onto. How bad must it be for them to try and use her laugh against her?

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fightindonkey Donating Member (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 02:50 AM
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63. So It's Come To This, Has It?
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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 03:41 AM
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64. Yet another example of how a RW meme begins to come into play here at DU
GD is getting unreadable. I can hardly wait till the nomination is over.
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 04:03 AM
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66. It's a problem that Hillary herself has created
Just during the past week, she used her laugh too many times in the TV appearences on September 23rd, and then again in the debate on MSNBC.

"The Daily Show" is not right-wing propaganda, but when they did a segment on Hillary's "laugh", Jon Stewart made the point that sometimes it made sense (like when FOX News asked her why she is so partisan), but other times it was inappropriate. It looked like a deliberate, almost pre-programmed response. Jon Stewart suggested that Hillary might be an android.

Let's be honest - the loud laughter looks like a ploy that Hillary's people have advised her to do as a way of deflecting criticism and tough questions.

"Clinton cackle" is alliteration, just like "Dean Scream" was a convenient rhyme.

I guess we could try calling it the "Clinton chuckle" - but that ain't no chuckle ...
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 06:35 AM
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68. I find it rather arrogant, and a bit disconcerting
Ask her a tough question and she laughs. Is this the sign of presidential, or just somebody who's trying to dodge the tough questions? I think it is the latter.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 07:05 AM
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72. i find it odd that peopLe defend her and her "Laugh"
and go after the media, and the rw meme, etc..

this is the person you support, not answering questions, and attempting to ride out the primaries without any substance.

but hey, she's married to a president.
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SaveOurDemocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 06:54 AM
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69. This is just too sad. Pathetic, really. n/t
Find something of substance to attack our own on ... or is it really all about haircuts, ears, and the way one laughs?
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 07:02 AM
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71. Tell that to Howard Dean. I'm not saying I agree, but sometimes shit like this matters.
She needs to be careful; even if it's just laughing.
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SaveOurDemocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 07:09 AM
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73. Stupid then ... Stupid now!
Edited on Mon Oct-01-07 07:10 AM by SaveOurDemocracy
Every day, thread after thread, it's the SAME posters gleefully jumping on the RW talking points bandwagon. They are like rabid dogs, and I can easily visualize the froth dripping from their mouths.

typo
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 08:14 AM
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77. Agree, but you have to admit that it matters.
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 07:45 AM
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75. She needs to curtail the laughing
Whether it's a cackle, chuckle, laugh - whatever - it's taking away from her message. Speech is considered disordered if the listener focuses on the disorder rather than the message. The same holds true here. The very fact that it's being discussed indicates that it is distracting to some. When in doubt, leave it out.

Dean let go with the scream once and learned the hard way that it wasn't something he should continue. Hillary is repeating the same tactic time and time again. It's annoying.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 08:37 AM
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78.  Are we really reduced to that?
That the pundits and editorialists are actually focusing on something as... banal as a candidates laugh is rather telling. I could understand a criticism of her policies. I could empathize with a critique of her voting records in the U.S. senate. But focusing on, or gigging her over her laugh? Are we really reduced to that?
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 08:45 AM
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79. I am trying to imagine Obama or Edwards fake-belly-laughing whenever
they are asked a serious question...can't picture it, sorry. She needs to knock it off--it's obviously a tactic to show the audience how silly and how "beneath her" the question is, and it sounds contrived. Even if she thinks a question is stupid, she should show the questioner a little respect instead of trying to belittle him or her--not very classy or professional.
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Semper_FiFi Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 11:06 AM
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82. Forget about any man named "Hussein" being elected president of the U.S.A.
It ain't gonna happen. Not now. There is much too much distrust to convince the electorate that Hussein Obama will be the person to lead the nation. Repubs will never let Americans forget that the man carries a Muslim middle name.

I guess a woman's laugh is as fair game as a man's middle name.:shrug:
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 11:44 AM
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83. I'm sorry, but the last I checked, there's a war in Iraq, 42 million Americans without health care..
Edited on Mon Oct-01-07 11:46 AM by Writer
and an educational system in crisis.

What was that about a "cackle?"

Drop the red herring with the cutesy alliteration and get your head back in gear. We have Republicans to throw out of office.

~Writer~

P.S. The sooner you stop caring, the sooner the media will stop caring.
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Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 02:48 PM
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85. Clinton Cackle = Dean Scream
A bullshit but effective means to belittle the Democratic front runner.
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superkia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 04:37 PM
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86. The laugh always follows tough or direct questions and it sounds...
very rehearsed. Its like she wants to divert peoples thoughts away from the question that was asked and on to her laugh and dodging response. This is not what America needs as a leader in a difficult time in our history, we need someone to take things seriously and directly answer questions. If she feels the questions are inappropriate or doesn't like them, she should be presidential and state that instead of avoiding the serious questions. Look at how she handled Mike Gravel when he pointed out a serious vote that she made? She should have had a better response describing what she intended to get out of voting for that, why did she think a yes vote was needed?

I think more and more people are waking up to the political game or campaign she is running, its like her goal is just to win for her and not really let America see who she is and where she stands so we can decide.

A vote for Clinton is a vote for war!
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