Giuliani Inspires Threat of a Third-Party Run

[DeepModem Mom]

NYT: Giuliani Inspires Threat of a Third-Party Run
By DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK
Published: October 1, 2007

WASHINGTON, Sept. 30 — Alarmed at the possibility that the Republican Party might pick Rudolph W. Giuliani as its presidential nominee despite his support for abortion rights, a coalition of influential Christian conservatives is threatening to back a third-party candidate.

The threat emerged from a group that broke away for separate discussions at a meeting Saturday in Salt Lake City of the Council for National Policy, a secretive conservative networking group. Participants said the smaller group included James C. Dobson of Focus on the Family, who is perhaps its most influential member; Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council; Richard A. Viguerie, the direct-mail pioneer; and dozens of other politically oriented conservative Christians.

Almost everyone present at the smaller group’s meeting expressed support for a written resolution stating that “if the Republican Party nominates a pro-abortion candidate we will consider running a third-party candidate,” participants said.

The participants said that the group chose the qualified term “consider” because it had not yet identified an alternative candidate, but that it was largely united in its plans to bolt the party if Mr. Giuliani, the former New York mayor, became the nominee. The participants spoke on condition of anonymity because the Council for National Policy meeting and the smaller meeting were secret, but they said members of the smaller group intended to publicize the resolution....

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For months, Christian conservatives have been escalating warnings that nominating Mr. Giuliani could splinter the party. Dr. Dobson wrote a column declaring that he would waste his vote before casting it for either Mr. Giuliani or a Democrat who supports abortion rights, like Mrs. Clinton, of New York. Some conservatives also noted that Mr. Giuliani has been divorced twice and married three times and is estranged from his children....

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/01/us/politics/01evangelicals.html

[Joe the Revelator]

1. Thats the best thing that could happen to the Republican party..

in the long run, getting rid of the fundys and getting back to REAL conservatism will help them. (I should reiterate in the long run.)

[fightindonkey]

11. There Is No Conservatism, It Was Always A Hoax

Conservatism is a failure based on who can politicians who merely go in to make a quick buck for themselves, even at the threat of sinking the country.

[fightindonkey]

12. Back To What? They've Always Been This.

[Joe the Revelator]

20. Thats actually not true...

Fiscal conservatism is not an evil thing. Conservatives used to stand for smaller goverment and personal freedom. Now they have become the keepers of the Nanny State and the Fundamentalist Collective. They have gotten way off message chasing abortions and jesus.

[Vickers]

2. please please please please please please please

Introducing: JUDGE ROY MOORE!!!!!

[cobalt1999]

3. I may have to register as a republican just to vote for him in the primary

The GOP is going to lose badly anyway, but this would lead to an historic (think Dukakis) style loss for them.

[illinoisprogressive]

4. It could happen to the dems. a splintering off if Hillary is nominated.

alot of progressives are refusing to vote for her and even leave the party. The struggle that will ensue between the DLC Hillary faction and the progressive wing could cause a rupture that would damage the party altogether.

[aquart]

5. Really. You do that, why don't you.

Prove that democracy is the last thing that interests you. Like the Republicans, you only want everything your way and screw the majority vote of the Democratic party.

You'd think you'd be confident enough of your own votes to be unafraid of a Hillary candidacy, which you have hyped to irrational hysteria that bears no relation to the truth at all. But instead you threaten to throw the country back to the Republicans?

Progressive, my ass.

Don't even have the guts to call yourselves liberals.

[Vincardog]

6. Isnt that what the DLC wants? They want to get the annoing progressive populists out of OUR PARTY.

I say if they do not want to share the party with us THEY CAN LEAVE. And take the "Centrist" triangulating corporatist with them.

[aquart]

7. Well, it's not my goal.

And I don't hear your so-called "centrists" threatening an imaginary third party candidacy. Only the spoiled brats who do not work and play well with others.

As for calling Hillary a fascist, which you just did, that is an hysteria-laden lie. There is absolutely no excuse for it.

If you can't get exactly what you want, exactly the way you want it, exactly when you want it, you are willing to throw this nation back to the Republicans. For spite.

I feel nothing but disgust for this behavior.

[Vincardog]

9. Feel how you Will. The Clintons enables NAFTA CAFTA and turning our regulations over to the

Corporate Arbitration. That is fascist in my book.
Hillary just came out supporting Mandatory Health Insurance another give away to the Corporate Overlords. That is fascist in my book.
The reason that you do not hear the "centerists" threatening an imaginary third party candidacy it there are no people left in the center.
You are either firmly opposed to the Criminal cabal who have hijacked our country or you want to imprison torture and disappear those of us who are. That is fascist in my book.

[aquart]

10. Wow. Rigid, much?

Incapable of grasping anything but black and white, much?

It's people who see things in either/or terms who become torturers, not those of us who acknowledge that compromise is a normal process of democratic government. Or that people with other points of view are human.

And you've just called me a fascist. Pretty much everybody is a fascist but you, right? What do you recommend doing with all us "fascists"?

[Vincardog]

19. Project much? Over generalize much? You can not compromise with the devil.

When did I call you anything?
You imply I am the kind of person who becomes a torturer when I am fighting against torture.

You attack me for rigid thinking when your core political belief appears to be find the center on every issue. I am sorry when the radical reich keeps moving the goal post further and further to the right the center loses all meaning.

I do not believe everyone is a fascist they have to have some gullable sheeple to lead around.

[fightindonkey]

15. Everything Is Fascist In Your Book

We get it!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

17. All That Poster Does Is Bash Hillary

It's his raison d'etre...

[fightindonkey]

13. illinoisprogressive, Is A Hillary Basher, Who Will Do Anything To Make People Turn On Her

It's not working.

[DesertFlower]

8. pro-abortion?

i don't think anyone is "pro-abortion". they're "pro-choice".

i guess they know that their boy fred thompson isn't going to be the nominee.

[fightindonkey]

16. Uh, Gooliani Is More Than He Could Ever Be "Pro-Abortion"

Not to mention anti-gun. lmao.

[fightindonkey]

14. The Thousands Of Drag Pictures, Him Doing His Make Up, All The Videos Of Him Flipping On Every

Conservative issue. This is way too easy!

[AtomicKitten]

18. So does Hillary and here's why:

I understand she is running the general in the primary. I understand that she is a girl and needs to visualize testosterone. But she is so hawkish on the war as a result that people on the left may call bullshit and bolt. I know she's counting on the base to hold but she leaves an opening on the left one can drive a truck through.

[calteacherguy]

21. It would be wonderful for the country if they did. nt