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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 11:45 PM
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Obama Aims, Fires
Say what you will about Andrew Sullivan but, he did a good job with highlighting some parts of the speech. I saw the speech on Cspan2 and it was eloquent and powerful in a subduded way. He really weaved everything into it and you felt you were listening to a master speaker.
What I enjoyed is that for months people and the media has been dumping on him, twisting his words and meaning and trying to pin him into a certain storyline that was false.
Today, he answered his critics in a very classy way. Especially the media.


This is more like it (his speech last night at DePaul University). The war is his issue; and it is his ace against Clinton:

The conventional thinking in Washington has a way of buying into stories that make political sense even if they don't make practical sense. We were told that the only way to prevent Iraq from getting nuclear weapons was with military force. Some leading Democrats echoed the Administration's erroneous line that there was a connection between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda. We were counseled by some of the most experienced voices in Washington that the only way for Democrats to look tough was to talk, act and vote like a Republican.

As Ted Sorensen's old boss President Kennedy once said "the pursuit of peace is not as dramatic as the pursuit of war - and frequently the words of the pursuer fall on deaf ears." In the fall of 2002, those deaf ears were in Washington. They belonged to a President who didn't tell the whole truth to the American people; who disdained diplomacy and bullied allies; and who squandered our unity and the support of the world after 9/11.

But it doesn't end there. Because the American people weren't just failed by a President - they were failed by much of Washington. By a media that too often reported spin instead of facts. By a foreign policy elite that largely boarded the bandwagon for war. And most of all by the majority of a Congress - "a coequal branch of government" - that voted to give the President the open-ended authority to wage war that he uses to this day. Let's be clear: without that vote, there would be no war.

Then this: the most forthright declaration in this campaign that the detention and interrogation policies of this indecent and un-American administration must be ended, and repudiated:

To lead the world, we must lead by example. We must be willing to acknowledge our failings, not just trumpet our victories. And when I'm President, we'll reject torture - without exception or equivocation; we'll close Guantanamo; we'll be the country that credibly tells the dissidents in the prison camps around the world that America is your voice, America is your dream, America is your light of justice.

I've been waiting a long time to hear a politician say these words as starkly and as passionately as he or she should. McCain crumbled; Clinton is too careful. Obama has come through.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 12:14 AM
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1. I like that speech, but I have to ask...
Do you dispute Senator Dodd's statement today regarding the NYT interview in which Obama said he doesn't know how he would have voted then if his feet were in the Senate?
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 12:35 AM
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4. Oh dear, that dog doesn't hunt anymore.
see my sig line and link

you're welcome
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 01:03 AM
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14. I don't think the context makes much difference in this case, honestly.
It doesn't change the essential fact. I do appreciate Obama speaking out against the rush to war, but I think he may be overplaying his hand by emphasizing the vote.
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hedda_foil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 12:24 AM
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2. An astonishing, historic speech!
And I'm old enough to recognize historic speeches when I hear or read them. I was born a few weeks after FDR died, I watched both parties' conventions in 1952 and 1956, worked for JFK at 15 and have been involved ever since. In all that long time, there have been just a handful of speeches of this import and vision. JFK had three or four such potentially world changing speeches. Perhaps one of RFK's. And Mario Cuomo's great convention speech back in ... what was it?... '88? And Obama's '04 keynote speech. Bill Clinton was a terrific speaker but his speeches never hit this level. Howard Dean at his peak in '03 could move me to cheers and tears, but he never came close to this shaping of history and projection of both the future as it could be and how we can move toward it with dignity, confidence and humility. These are Obama's cadences and his ideas ring true as his own, but there's definitely some Sorenson shining through the speechwriting as well. How marvelous to read and hear these words and the vision they represent. How awesome. How needed at this exact moment in history.

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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 12:31 AM
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3. I particularly like this part:
Edited on Wed Oct-03-07 12:32 AM by calteacherguy
"To lead the world, we must lead by example. We must be willing to acknowledge our failings, not just trumpet our victories. And when I'm President, we'll reject torture - without exception or equivocation; we'll close Guantanamo; we'll be the country that credibly tells the dissidents in the prison camps around the world that America is your voice, America is your dream, America is your light of justice."

I'm still not convinced he could bring the theory into reality, though (I'm referring to more than what's in the paragraph above). I think Clinton may be more effective actually getting things done, on a variety of fronts. Voting for Obama requires a leap of faith. Clinton's abilities are more understood; she's less of a risk.

Interesting choice, but it appears Clinton has the upper hand.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 12:41 AM
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7. Voting for Obama requires a desire for true change in Washington.
Nothing else.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 12:46 AM
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9. Not exactly.
I desire true change in Washington, but I also desire a political pro who knows how to defeat the Republicans and get things done in Washington.

It is, admittedly, a paradox.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 12:47 AM
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11. You just described Obama.
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JanusAscending Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 12:37 AM
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5. Amen Sister !!
I've got a few years on ya though. Let us not forget the late, great Barbara Jordon's' keynote speech either. I wish I could get a tape of that, or a recording. It was that memorable !! Did you hear it? I'm sure you must have. This is Obama's forte', more in his comfort zone. I'm looking forward to many more speeches like this from him in the future. I wish he'd come to CT. I'd be there in a heartbeat!:hi:
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hedda_foil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 12:39 AM
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6. How could I forget Barbara Jordan's amazing keynote?
Thank you for reminding me!
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Trisket-Bisket Donating Member (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 12:46 AM
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8. More empty chin music.
I don't need B.O. to tell me anything. As for Kennedy,his lack of experince led the Soviets to put up the Berlin wall and place missles in Cuba. Lets hope we learn that historical lesson.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 12:47 AM
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10. Who should we vote for, according to you?
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 12:59 AM
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12. If Obama is so sure he wouldn't have voted for the IWR then why
did he vote to fund it on:

03/29/2007
06/22/2006
05/04/2006
12/21/2005
11/15/2005
10/07/2005
07/20/2005
05/10/2005
04/21/2005

http://www.vote-smart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=9490
:shrug:
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 01:01 AM
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13. So why not link to the speech instead of the neocon who doesn't like how the war is going
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